DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Dust_Collector]

Honestly him saying that is really funny anyway since the games he worked on has way better feats than Spider-Man, even if Atlas was only holding up the country of Greece that'd still put Kratos above Spider-Man.

Well unless David thinks the fire-lord and just herald scaling in general is legit lol.

 

[Starsprite53]

Oh, he's a former dev? Never knew.

Oh true, he is an ACTUAL writer, his word is obviously more important

 

[Theuser789]

Oh true, he is an ACTUAL writer, his word is obviously more important

??? I was talking about Kratos.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

There's also the devs saying Kratos gets gaped by Spider-Man lmao.

And thats not the same thing as explaining their own franchise info compared to a joke tweet

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

if i ever had to make a series or story popular enough to end up on this wiki, id prob intentionally mess with the people on it lmfao

 

[BlackDarkness679]

if i ever had to make a series or story popular enough to end up on this wiki, id prob intentionally mess with the people on it lmfao

Me when i intentionally spread misinformation be like

 

[Dust_Collector]

if i ever had to make a series or story popular enough to end up on this wiki, id prob intentionally mess with the people on it lmfao

I would constantly make conflicting statements that would make my characters both ultra omega hyperversal+ and sub-wall level.

 

[Tyranno223]

I would constantly make conflicting statements that would make my characters both ultra omega hyperversal+ and sub-wall level.

X character moves so fast they just lapped an infinite universe 50 times.

"My goodness, he's somehow managed to surpass the speed of sound!"

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

reveal character can destroy the world and turn it into ash

next week reveal the world is flat and the size of Alabama

reveal that Alabama in this story is a higher dimensional construct with layers of infinity

reveal the character making the statement is an unreliable narrator

have another character reveal that the character isnt unreliable but just acts like he is

another character then reveals that the character that said the other character is just acting is himself an unreliable narrator.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Who else is considered a "feats man" in the Vs community? we already have Asura, Sephiroth and Goku.

 

[TMaakkonen]

If I ever did a story, Id make a joke chapter where I reveal everyone is actually Outerversal gods who we only see in weak light because of imagination or sth because we lack the real way to witness them.

Also blatantly make generic modern VS shit and imply its a joke, but never actually say its a joke so they have to be used.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Who else is considered a "feats man" in the Vs community? we already have Asura, Sephiroth and Goku.

Def not Mihawk that's for sure

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Who else is considered a "feats man" in the Vs community? we already have Asura, Sephiroth and Goku.

Uh... there are probably others, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

 

[Maskofthedragon]

Who else is considered a "feats man" in the Vs community? we already have Asura, Sephiroth and Goku.

Super Tengan Toppa Gurren Lagann

 

[TMaakkonen]

Who else is considered a "feats man" in the Vs community? we already have Asura, Sephiroth and Goku.

Kirby Kirby Kirby thats the name you should know.

 

[Theuser789]

Who else is considered a "feats man" in the Vs community? we already have Asura, Sephiroth and Goku.

Def Shanks that's for sure.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

I'm pretty sure eggman been 1-C since the sonic cosmology CRT,

also hi everyone I've been on this wiki for a long time but this is the first time I've decided to make an account :3

Welcome aboard

 

[JJSliderman]

I think you’re mixing up feats man and statements man.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Who else is considered a "feats man" in the Vs community? we already have Asura, Sephiroth and Goku.

I wanna say Mash Burnedead?

 

[Starsprite53]

??? I was talking about Kratos.

I was joking dummy

 

[Tipper17]

Y'know if DB does go the LORE™ route with Kratos and have him beat Asura, what do you think would be the best way they could explain why Kratos scales that high to casual audiances without sounding insane to them?

Primordials in Greek punched all stars into existence, make a GokuBeerus punch reference too, add that Norse Ragnarok destroyed a realm that is at least 1/9th of Norse realms, absolutely make big point that for some reason in GoW all different myths happened together somehow, which makes GoW myths their own weird dimensions of sorts. Benefit of doubt and give speed to Asura and say his Planet+ size is an advantage.

Pretty much and ya have to do a very good job explaining GOW cosmology while and give good arguments on why it's not bullshit

 

[Starsprite53]

Sonic's cosmology is 6D here. You need to accept that as long as you are here.

He just asked for our opinions, so maybe think before saying something

Well, it sucks that even in the place this was accepted people will ignore all the blogs and evidence because they don't like Sonic being that strong.

Not ignoring your points, I just disagree. You’ve misunderstood that(again), and the wrong assumptions and reasoning you've made about my stance are probably why I don’t buy your scaling

 

[Tipper17]

Who else is considered a "feats man" in the Vs community? we already have Asura, Sephiroth and Goku.

Simon/TTGL
Most comic book characters when the writer want them to do shit on screen

 

[Theuser789]

He just asked for our opinions, so maybe think before saying something

Not ignoring your points, I just disagree. You’ve misunderstood that(again), and the wrong assumptions and reasoning you've made about my stance are probably why I don’t buy your scaling

I didn't misunderstand anything. I just said I was frustrated because even here we have people dismiss all the research done for Sonic because they don't like it and don't really try to argue against it. That last comment wasn't for you. You can have your opinion and all but I just think it's weird that people keep dismissing Sonic.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Tipper17]

Also being real i do not see how you can explain Kratos being faster than Asura in any coherent fashion whatsoever without looking like a crackhead

 

[Theuser789]

Does Kratos have any hax that lets him beat Asura? Maybe they can just argue Kratos outhaxes him.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Does Kratos have any hax that lets him beat Asura? Maybe they can just argue Kratos outhaxes him.

Petrification, immortality neg, life/magic/energy/power absorbing, honestly the list just keeps going and going

 

[Dust_Collector]

Asura surprisingly doesn't really resist a whole lot, he's got soul resistance and the basic resistance to outer space conditions like anyone who's been in space with no protection gets but beyond that nothing, Kratos could petrify him and absorb his life-force and stop time (Honestly a missed opportunity from the devs to not have a cool scene of Asura breaking out of Chakravaritins time stop). Issue is convincing people Kratos would even land any of it in the first place. Getting him to cosmic levels is one thing, but like tipper said there's not really a good way to explain Kratos being quadrillions of times ftl without looking insane.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Tbf FTL Chosen Undead and Dragonborn would also sound like crackhead shit to any Dark Souls & Skyrim fans but lol lore

 

[Dust_Collector]

tbh FTL Kratos probs wouldn't be far fetched either, it's just being FTL to the same degree as the dude that flew across the galaxie in a few mins would raise a lotta eyebrows

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Also being real i do not see how you can explain Kratos being faster than Asura in any coherent fashion whatsoever without looking like a crackhead

There is diff speeds, if one is faster in travel but other in reaction, unles latter is too slow, they should react to the former

 

[Theuser789]

Asura surprisingly doesn't really resist a whole lot, he's got soul resistance and the basic resistance to outer space conditions like anyone who's been in space with no protection gets but beyond that nothing, Kratos could petrify him and absorb his life-force and stop time (Honestly a missed opportunity from the devs to not have a cool scene of Asura breaking out of Chakravaritins time stop). Issue is convincing people Kratos would even land any of it in the first place. Getting him to cosmic levels is one thing, but like tipper said there's not really a good way to explain Kratos being quadrillions of times ftl without looking insane.

Arguing he outhaxes seems to be easier than arguing he overpowers him. Maybe they can just say Kratos is just too durable or has a lot of endurance and then he can outhaxes Asura. I mean, they had Omni-Man beat Bardock even though they put Bardock thousands of times faster. (Main problem of the matchup was the Sun Disk).

 

[BlackDarkness679]

tbh FTL Kratos probs wouldn't be far fetched either, it's just being FTL to the same degree as the dude that flew across the galaxie in a few mins would raise a lotta eyebrows

Use helios light on underworld illuminating it which is huge in size and there you go

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Why do I keep not getting notifications for here?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Asura surprisingly doesn't really resist a whole lot, he's got soul resistance and the basic resistance to outer space conditions like anyone who's been in space with no protection gets but beyond that nothing, Kratos could petrify him and absorb his life-force and stop time (Honestly a missed opportunity from the devs to not have a cool scene of Asura breaking out of Chakravaritins time stop). Issue is convincing people Kratos would even land any of it in the first place. Getting him to cosmic levels is one thing, but like tipper said there's not really a good way to explain Kratos being quadrillions of times ftl without looking insane.

It doesn't help outside briefly using Icarus' wings and Hermes' footwear, Kratos isn't known to be a very mobile or agile character, good luck convincing normies and even certain other Vs debaters he's climbing upon large monsters, traversing mountains and rowing boats at MFTL to Infinite speeds.

Don't get me wrong, I think GoW ratings here are serviceable and the fact there's even a popular distinction between gameplay Kratos and lore Kratos (like they're two different characters) is pretty stupid tbh. But from DBs perspective it's an unenviable task trying to convince the potential naysayers (feats Vs statements is the ultimate MU).

 

[Darkmon_cns]

(feats Vs statements is the ultimate MU).

Generally, statements are higher, so I think they win.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Don't get me wrong, I think GoW ratings here are serviceable and the fact there's even a popular distinction between gameplay Kratos and lore Kratos (like they're two different characters) is pretty stupid tbh. But from DBs perspective it's an unenviable task trying to convince the potential naysayers (feats Vs statements is the ultimate MU).

I mean they did that for Dragonborn v Undead

 

[Dust_Collector]

Honestly Kratos struggling with Atla's fingers and Asura blowing up Wyzen who was bigger than the planet is likely more than enough for casual audiances (And let's be real, like half of the vs community as well) for the latter to win.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I mean they did that for Dragonborn v Undead

Dragonborn vs Undead also had the benefit of having their actual feats not making a difference in the results. Discounting lore would've still ended in the DB winning which is why they brought it up alongside the lore, no matter what the results were clear.

Kratos vs Asura is literally just lore vs feats, Krato's best showings aren't even comparable to Chapter 1 Asura without lore so it'd be a harder pill to swallow for just his lore to get him the win.