DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Bigdongus]

Oh god I hate fandom tourists. You see it a lot in movie discussions, just people parroting whatever their favorite eceleb said about a movie they haven’t seen. Most people who make citizen Kane. comparisons haven’t seen citizen Kane

Godzilla has had multiple ecelebs make horribly misinformed video essays lately with gems like “Godzilla is public domain”, “people don’t know Godzilla is from japan” and “there wasn’t ever an attempt at a serious Godzilla movie between 1954 and 2023” and my favorite: “after Godzilla make more money than the original release, japan stopped calling him gojira”. luckily the fandom collectively shat on them so hopefully it nips it in the bud

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Nearly 625K after 14 hours passed on Joker vs Giorno

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

what would you guys say are the top 5 strongest characters featured on the show using DB's own Logic

 

[BlackDarkness679]

what would you guys say are the top 5 strongest characters featured on the show using DB's own Logic

Marvel and DC characters

 

[Joycap]

As a Blaze fan all I can do is be envious at Shadow fans since I know Sega will never glaze her and she'll likely be just another crutch for a potential "Silver Generations" (similar to what happened to Rouge) yet the same Sega are so adamant at pushing the new "strong female" characters (Surge, Trip, Tangle, etc) while also "correcting" Amy they forgotten that Blaze already checked all the boxes without even trying to fit any "quota" shame really.

Localisers: They can't bloody help themselves...

 

[Deidalius]

As a Blaze fan all I can do is be envious at Shadow fans since I know Sega will never glaze her and she'll likely be just another crutch for a potential "Silver Generations" (similar to what happened to Rouge) yet the same Sega are so adamant at pushing the new "strong female" characters (Surge, Trip, Tangle, etc) while also "correcting" Amy they forgotten that Blaze already checked all the boxes without even trying to fit any "quota" shame really.

Is that the fault of SEGA Japan or SEGA America?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Marvel and DC characters

That cosmology scaling truly go crazy. Overall strongest character on DB rn is probably Galactus, I think. Maybe Superman depending on how high DB is willing to highball him lmfao.

I think as far as non big 2 capeshit characters go, Unicron is DB's strongest character.

 

[AcidSilver]

Didn't they put superman at 7D?

Depends on if they buy Outerversal SMT.

Also didn't they scale Zatanna to DC's full cosmology by beating Pralaya? If Constantine gets scaled to her in any way then no amount of SMT cosmology will save Raidou.

 

[Tyranno223]

Also didn't they scale Zatanna to DC's full cosmology by beating Pralaya? If Constantine gets scaled to her in any way then no amount of SMT cosmology will save Raidou.

SMT cosmology can be taken pretty far so their outerversal scaling might be enough to have stats close.

The G1 Blog argued for Raidou on that basis I believe.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Isn't Tien dead?

Ha, staying dead in Dragon Ball as a Z-Fighter? As if.

 

[Maskofthedragon]

what would you guys say are the top 5 strongest characters featured on the show using DB's own Logic

1) Raven
2-5) 3 filler capeshits and Unicron?

 

[Tyranno223]

Thor could have been the strongest if they decided to use his Rune King or Odinforce stuff. Former's above the Beyonders and the latter killed the Phoenix (for a time).

Both are relevant to current Thor afterall, although the former will need more comics to flesh out how relevant it is.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I really do hope Death Battle discord knows how bad of a fumble Omni-dock was. Because everywhere else knows it.

 

[Tyranno223]

I really do hope Death Battle discord knows how bad of a fumble Omni-dock was. Because everywhere else knows it.

They'd have to be blind not to see the reception in the powerscaling/versus match up community.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

They'd have to be blind not to see the reception in the powerscaling/versus match up community.

Tbf they arent aware of some better MUs communities push lately either, like how they thought aang vs aether is popular for latter series, when people want others first

 

[AcidSilver]

Tbf they arent aware of some better MUs communities push lately either, like how they thought aang vs aether is popular for latter series, when people want others first

Also them thinking Cole vs Alex was a meme matchup until it actually won the 3D vote. They can be really disconnected from the community. Like for real, who the hell wanted Magneto to fight Tetsuo of all people?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Also them thinking Cole vs Alex was a meme matchup until it actually won the 3D vote. They can be really disconnected from the community. Like for real, who the hell wanted Magneto to fight Tetsuo of all people?

Tbf there was a mutant just like testuo whom Magneto faced against by Marvel, plus the backstories and worlds they live in had connections too

 

[Joycap]

Ngl I wish I still cared about the Smash community. This got a chuckle out of me:

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

They'd have to be blind not to see the reception in the powerscaling/versus match up community.

You'd think. I don't know, I think they just aren't very good at taking criticism because some of it comes from assholes.

 

[TMaakkonen]

For non-capeshit, Unicron should reign supreme. I dont think they gave good enough info on Doctor's stats. Bill, DB Heroes & Archie Sonic are also up there. Maybe Last Dragonborn? Even all timeline destroying isnt too common in DB.

 

[Theuser789]

So what are Bowser's chances of winning?

High.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

High.

I could hear the tears hitting the screen. You doing okay there big dawg?

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

that's wrong though? The only two other pieces of media GER lost in was Eyes of Heaven and Jorge Joestar.

Eyes of Heaven has already been discussed here

Jorge Joestar I'd argue doesn't even count because Giorno wanted to be Dio and that they were working together the entire time. Also Dio had Beyond by this side, tf you want GER to do lol. Hell in the novel GER straight up one-shots Pucci with void shenanigans despite MiH being at insane acceleration as well as negating his own death. Given what GER does in that novel, I'd argue it's stronger than canon GER tbh

Every piece of media other that those two bigs up GER, whether in All Star Battle where GER is the only stand in the game that no sells MiH and referred to as the 'Supreme' ability in the glossary, Stardust Shooters where it greatly expands on what RTZ can do and makes it more busted, Lost Survivor where GER no sells all attacks from every other stand in the game, etc. Not even talking about the guidebooks where they straight up jack GER off

Eh, fair enough. I'm not very familiar with the non-canon spin-offs, so I just went along with what they said.

 

[Theuser789]

I could hear the tears hitting the screen. You doing okay there big dawg?

What an insane projection out of NOWHERE.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Counterpoint: Aoi Todo is a Gigachad who likes woman with big boobs. His basedness alone is enough to transcend intelligence itself

Correction, he likes women with big butts/women like Jennifer Lawrence.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I really do hope Death Battle discord knows how bad of a fumble Omni-dock was. Because everywhere else knows it.

They'd have to be blind not to see the reception in the powerscaling/versus match up community.

As someone who is actually on the Discord, as far as I've seen, a lot of people do disagree with Omni-Man vs Bardock.

 

[Tyranno223]

As someone who is actually on the Discord, as far as I've seen, a lot of people do disagree with Omni-Man vs Bardock.

Not surprised. I haven't seen the community this against a result in a while. I still want them to make a statement, but I am aware that could just reignite the more volatile and shitty side of the community too.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

What an insane projection out of NOWHERE.

No I was being straight up, if a little too sardonic, my b. I've heard Ultraguy mocked some higher end Sonic scaling, which sounds rough to know during the waiting period.

I just went through the Omnidock leaks, I know how crappy that feels. Now I have no idea who actually wins and whatnot, but going into an episode knowing the deck is against you is awful

 

[AcidSilver]

From what I can tell, Bowser vs Eggman is gonna come down to Dreamy Bowser vs Phantom Ruby Eggman. The two of them seem to be on the same level which means that other stuff will have to tip the scales and Bowser seems to have more Mcguffins like the Star Rod, Power Stars, and the Wonder Flower. Outside of the Phantom Ruby and the Chaos Emeralds/Master Emerald, Eggman is relying on individuals that have no hope against Dreamy Bowser whereas Bowser is relying on items that he himself can use and possibly even stack.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Wonder Flower is random in effects, how is that in any way viable :V

 

[Theuser789]

From what I can tell, Bowser vs Eggman is gonna come down to Dreamy Bowser vs Phantom Ruby Eggman. The two of them seem to be on the same level which means that other stuff will have to tip the scales and Bowser seems to have more Mcguffins like the Star Rod, Power Stars, and the Wonder Flower. Outside of the Phantom Ruby and the Chaos Emeralds/Master Emerald, Eggman is relying on individuals that have no hope against Dreamy Bowser whereas Bowser is relying on items that he himself can use and possibly even stack.

Time Eater, Egg Wizard and possibly Super Neo and Supreme Sage can stack up to Dreamy Bowser (Also Bowser stacking those power-ups together is straight up fanfiction but most Mario debates devolve to that).

 

[AcidSilver]

Wonder Flower is random in effects, how is that in any way viable :V

It's random but when Bowser uses it the effects always benefit him in some way. Better than nothing.

Edit: Even when Mario gets the flowers they still benefit him since in some levels he outright needs them to complete the level while in others he needs them to get secrets he otherwise couldn't.

 

[koopa3144]

Wonder Flower is random in effects, how is that in any way viable :V

Castle Bowser can control Wonder Effects as seem in the final levels of Wonder.

 

[Starsprite53]

Wonder Flower is random in effects, how is that in any way viable :V

Bowser and Bowser.jr are able to control these effects what

 

[Theuser789]

I've heard Ultraguy mocked some higher end Sonic scaling, which sounds rough to know during the waiting period.

It's grim but expected.

Wonder Flower is random in effects, how is that in any way viable :V

Tbf I was replaying Wonder and both Bowser and Jr can control the Wonder effect. Now, they don't use any of its insane hax offensively and Bowser instead uses to be a DJ, but he can control the Wonder effect.

 

[Tipper17]

As someone who is actually on the Discord, as far as I've seen, a lot of people do disagree with Omni-Man vs Bardock.

@ZeedKZ even said alot of people disagreed even with speedy reasoning so yeah

 

[TMaakkonen]

Actually curious on non-capeshit DB AP Tier List.

• 26D: Unicron
• 5D: Archie Sonic characters,
• 4D+: Bill Cipher
• Infinite Timelines: Dragon Ball Heroes characters
• Multiple Infinities: Last Dragonborn
• Infinite: Herakles, Sun Wukong

Discord was infinite overtime, and then theres where Doctor or Joker, where do they fit etc. Who else from not DC/Marvel?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

It's grim but expected.

Tbf I was replaying Wonder and both Bowser and Jr can control the Wonder effect. Now, they don't use any of its insane hax offensively and Bowser instead uses to be a DJ, but he can control the Wonder effect.

I remember Ultraguy unironically arguing SSG tier base Goku and Vegeta weren't a thing because of the Saiyan Beyond God form that's never been named in series or guidebooks. The first use of the name was promotional material.

He also used a Toriyama interview from BoG, the Goku is a 6 Beerus is a 10 one, as supporting evidence.

So I shared in your disappointment when with Omnidock he chose not to scale Bardock to the Toei Supernova, and use low ends for the Vegeta planet and moon bust calc.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

@ZeedKZ even said alot of people disagreed even with speedy reasoning so yeah

Whose is Zeed?