DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[JoshDoshMosh]

I heard rumors from a friend that Ultra bought SMT scaling, but I have my doubts on the legitimacy of that.

This guys is soloing all your fav verses

 

[Gyra1524]

I went to UltraGuy's blog because I remember he had one on Aigis and it appears to have been removed. Here it is on the Wayback Machine:
http://web.archive.org/web/20240717205141/https://ulltraguy.blogspot.com/

 

[Tipper17]

Remember the last we doubted rumors and or leaks lol

We

I knew it was real because of a friend

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

I went to UltraGuy's blog because I remember he had one on Aigis and it appears to have been removed. Here it is on the Wayback Machine:
http://web.archive.org/web/20240717205141/https://ulltraguy.blogspot.com/

Lol Ultra buys cosmic Persona.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

 

[SpecterSkater]

So something I've been wondering on the Giorno side of that I'm hoping someone more Jojo-knowledgeable can help answer:

Does GER need to perceive/react the attack to RTZ it?

I'm wondering because if their research determines that Joker's speed gap is vast enough, could he overwhelm Giorno with his wide range of attacks or just attacks in general to prevent RTZ from going off. I know GER has its own sentience aside from Giorno's and reacted to Diavolo in the King Crimson time-thing, but it's something I've wondered.

Like I know the animation itself is not going to have Joker speedblitz Giorno in the beginning with no way to react, and we'll probably get a few RTZs of some of Joker's attacks, but in their analysis they do the whole 'who can win the most what-if more often than not' when everything is said and done. Definitely not trying to downplay Giorno here either because dude is totally impressive in his own right, but having his one ability be the deciding factor for this whole debate is a very flimsy place to begin arguing out of. It still is a very good ability though.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

So something I've been wondering on the Giorno side of that I'm hoping someone more Jojo-knowledgeable can help answer:

Does GER need to perceive/react the attack to RTZ it?

I'm wondering because if their research determines that Joker's speed gap is vast enough, could he overwhelm Giorno with his wide range of attacks or just attacks in general to prevent RTZ from going off. I know GER has its own sentience aside from Giorno's and reacted to Diavolo in the King Crimson time-thing, but it's something I've wondered.

Like I know the animation itself is not going to have Joker speedblitz Giorno in the beginning with no way to react, and we'll probably get a few RTZs of some of Joker's attacks, but in their analysis they do the whole 'who can win the most what-if more often than not' when everything is said and done. Definitely not trying to downplay Giorno here either because dude is totally impressive in his own right, but having his one ability be the deciding factor for this whole debate is a very flimsy place to begin arguing out of. It still is a very good ability though.

I’m pretty sure RTZ is passive

 

[Kontororou]

Death Battle really making me speedrun a 90+ hour RPG to avoid spoilers.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I don't think it matters that much; they just much rather watch the animations than engage in a debate. You can't make someone care about something they don't; they aren't required to discuss why something is wrong, especially in something as subjective like VS debates. The debate/calcs may be one of the appeals, but it doesn't compare to the animation portion everyone comes to the video for. People just enjoy watching familiar characters they know in exciting battles far more than how many terashits per megafart an explosion is worth.

You and I both know that isn't the actual reason. Picking apart the result and research is picking a fight with the DB Fanbase.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Death Battle really making me speedrun a 90+ hour RPG to avoid spoilers.

Well, make sure you’re actually interacting with NPCs and all that stuff too

 

[Tipper17]

Can’t believe we got Pokémon at the diddy party

 

[Tipper17]

Season 3 incoming in Feb

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I’m pretty sure RTZ is passive

Details arent known if it is or not, just that it activated in time erasure and by his series stats he is rated with null, making him above all, including stands with infinite speed

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Also omnidock being not 2 million yet is due to the wait or result? Opinions?

 

[Gyra1524]

Also omnidock being not 2 million yet is due to the wait or result? Opinions?

They've been gone for 9 months so probably the wait.

 

[Tipper17]

Also omnidock being not 2 million yet is due to the wait or result? Opinions?

They've been gone for 9 months so probably the wait.

Adding to this

Invincible popularity is in a doormant state due to how season 2 was handled by Amazon with the whole break and splitting the season as well certain moments not living up the comics (Omni Man and Invincible vs the Viltrumites) and being less interesting than season 1


Season 3 should bring things back assuming they don't drop the ball on the invincible war and Mark vs Conquest

Results may play apart but I need a remind how did Frieza vs Megatron and Goku vs Superman 3 did after a week

 

[PonePoster]

Oh boooi, I can't wait for 4 more episodes and then another 3 year wait

Idk man, when did we get to the point of every animated show having such short seasons with such long wait times?

 

[Gyra1524]

Oh boooi, I can't wait for 4 more episodes and then another 3 year wait

Idk man, when did we get to the point of every animated show having such short seasons with such long wait times?

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Oh boooi, I can't wait for 4 more episodes and then another 3 year wait

Idk man, when did we get to the point of every animated show having such short seasons with such long wait times?

Fr that shit was lame, just announce it when it’s all done

 

[PonePoster]

I can't believe it............... 8 WHOLE episodes! Before the 3 year long wait!

Bring me back to an age of the 2010s where shows like FiM brought out 24 whole episodes per season every year - each having a 40 minute long premiere and finale special

 

[WCMM]

Reading those stories, they kind of sound like pokemon-ified folktales and fairy stories, and we all know that those things were way more messed up than Disney would have you believe.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

I wonder if the Anissa scene is in it and how it'll be dealt with.

 

[Tipper17]

I wonder if the Anissa scene is in it and how it'll be dealt with.

Anissa scene won't come in until after the viltrutmite war and other stuff we're still Miles away from that scene

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

**** Anissa gooners in advance

 

[RiloKileyFan]

Also omnidock being not 2 million yet is due to the wait or result? Opinions?

Omni-Man hype has died down quite a bit and Bardock is a fanfic character. Sorry, not sorry. Brick fight too. Also Omni-Man is a returning character, which just kills the interest.

Omnidock is doing worse than Boba vs Preds.

Flopker is doomed. Probably won't crack a mil in a week.

 

[Tipper17]

**** Anissa gooners in advance

I read the story awhile back especially that ******* scene and it is amazing how many idiots be asking when the Anissa shit gonna happen.

Like bruh that shit ain't gonna happen for awhile so keep it in ya pants

 

[Bigdongus]

“joker is getting smt scaling, giorno is ******!”

Bardock after getting a what if form just to lose:

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I read the story awhile back especially that ******* scene and it is amazing how many idiots be asking when the Anissa shit gonna happen.

Like bruh that shit ain't gonna happen for awhile so keep it in ya pants

You underestimate the horniness of the internet.

 

[WCMM]

I read the story awhile back especially that ******* scene and it is amazing how many idiots be asking when the Anissa shit gonna happen.

Like bruh that shit ain't gonna happen for awhile so keep it in ya pants

Wait, people actually are anticipating that scene? That scene is horrifying. Put me off ever reading the comic book.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

“joker is getting smt scaling, giorno is ******!”

Bardock after getting a what if form just to lose:

Uhhh AKSHUALLY GER resets everything to 0 so dimensionality doesn't matter

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Wait, people actually are anticipating that scene? That scene is horrifying. Put me off ever reading the comic book.

The only way a woman will touch them.

 

[WCMM]

The only way a woman will touch them.

The internet was a f***ing mistake.

 

[Tipper17]

“joker is getting smt scaling, giorno is ******!”

Bardock after getting a what if form just to lose:

I'm gonna laugh if Joker gets SMT scaling just to eat shit still
would be peak comedy

 

[ShawnFaux]

I read the story awhile back especially that ******* scene and it is amazing how many idiots be asking when the Anissa shit gonna happen.

Like bruh that shit ain't gonna happen for awhile so keep it in ya pants

People are so ******* weird about that scene man, it's annoying.

"Heh heh, I can't wait to see how Amazon is gonna handle that scene heh heh. The casuals aren't ready for this."

Like bro shut your gooner *** up. It is what it is, stop blowing it out of proportion (not referring to you, obviously).

 

[WCMM]

Imagine if they just removed that plotline entirely from the show.

 

[Hunterzillas]

I think he is referring to this:

If that's it, then this discussion is pointless. That scene is not a flashback, it is Mark's internal visualization of a scene from one of Nolan's books. While based on the actual Infinity Ray, the story in question (unless I'm missing future context that explains this is an event Omni-Man witnessed or was told about by Space Racer) is based on the stories Nolan has heard about that Infinity Ray, not something that actually occurred. The next scene that Nolan wrote about shows his self-insert traversing a planet and being attacked by aliens called rognarr. This is alluding to a previous viltrumite encounter with them. However, while it can be inferred that the rognarr can kill viltrumites, the scene itself is not a one-to-one visualization of what happened, instead again being a depiction of what occurred in Nolan's book.

I've remained silent on my thoughts about Omni-Man vs Bardock, mostly because I've been playing keep up with the thread, but also because I've been waiting to see how things played out amongst the community regarding the sun disk feat. This wouldn't be the first time Death Battle brought something new to the table that the community overlooked, Beerus vs Sailor Galaxia for example. This sun disk feat has been getting absolutely blasted though, so seems like no such luck in this case. There have been some defenders, and honestly I'd be open to star level Omni-Man. There was even a calc awhile back that showed some promise (found it).

However, this just doesn't work. Because this isn't something that happened (ignoring that none of this happened, it's fiction), this is from a book written by Omni-Man about something he's heard legends of, visualized by Mark's narration. It is a fictional book, recounting a story the writer heard, being recounted by the writer's son.....hardly the basis for a clear-cut feat. I'm open to being wrong, but unless I'm missing some more context then this argument doesn't help back the sun disk. I didn't even need to bring up the nonsense of crosscaling from comic to tv.

I'm open to being wrong, maybe I missed something, but with what I'm seeing this looks like a bust.

Omni-Man vs Bardock was a 7/10 for me. Fun fight, fire music, fine breakdown, ****** up analysis.

 

[WCMM]

I don't think that scene was Mark's imagination, as the narration doesn't line up with it. I think that was just for the benefit of us, the viewer.

 

[Joycap]

The only way a woman will touch them.

@TMaakkonen permission to bonk?

 

[Deidalius]

You know, I get that the Pokémon leaks are shocking and all, but I actually don't mind them and I think the themes and story they portray are fine, good even. Grim mythology stories like those should be in more series because they're cool. I know I've made jokes and all because frankly, it's funny to joke about a Pokémon being the next EDP, really funny, but those stories mention those topics in a really tasteful way, like, there's no sexualization at all. It's just a bland description of what happens that doesn't go into details that make the subjects it portrays exploitative. They remind me a lot of real world mythology and folklore, which tends to have such serious, grim themes into their stories and how they sound like cautionary tales.