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not the place to discuss this right now
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Attempting to upgrade the game Sonic cosmology
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Neutral on 6-D, but the 5-D arguments have merit (with the exception of using the in-timer for Maginaryworld probably).
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Then you can just say MW overall has its own time flow because it’s a parallel dimension.
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After looking over the arguments a dozen times or so, I'm gonna tentatively agree with 5-D which is fuarking wild.
No comment on 6-D, mainly because I'm not sure if Maginaryworld encompassing a 5-D realm would bump that up another dimensional tier.
No comment on 6-D, mainly because I'm not sure if Maginaryworld encompassing a 5-D realm would bump that up another dimensional tier.
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It’s not just encompassing, so much as Illumina’s dream is on an entirely different level in dream hierarchy than any other dream, as all dreams originate from Illumina and are infinitesimal in scope compared to 4th dimension space, and that the flow of time and fate of 4D space governs the ultimate fate of every dream, despite those dreams having their own time flow. So I do think 4D space qualifies for the superiority needed for hypertimeline time axes.
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Minus Cyber Space (specifically Digital Circuit and Mad Matrix, from Shadow 2005) possibly being infinite (I can't find what indicates so, currently), I agree with everything else, including the 6D, I think.
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So "4D space" is, ironically, 5D?
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I don’t believe it myself, but it’s a quote from the Digital Circuit stage by one of the helper characters, specifically in the Japanese version, in the same vein as the “endless underworlds” quote from Shifting Sand Land. It was translated by someone not on the site (HenshinIntervention), I just thought to throw it in.
Potentially 6D if it acts as a sufficient hypertimeline evidence.
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Ah, I understand. That's cool to learn, thank you.
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If I had a nickel for everytime a location in a version of Sonic was called a Fourth Dimensional space that had 5D arguments, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice!
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If you argue the 4 spatial dimensions are infinite then you don’t need qualitative superiority.
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I’m arguing the fourth dimension space in Maginaryworld is infinite and the Phantom Ruby dimensions are also infinite, said dimensions being “super other dimensional” in context of at least Sonic’s universe.
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Ahhh. So because each dream in Maginaryworld is infinitesimal to Illumina's Fourth Dimensional space and because of its nature, including being able to contain and govern structures like Cyber Space which in ITSELF can contain data from several infinite-sized structures, FDS has enough evidence to be considered outright transcendent.
In that case, I can agree with 6-D.
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Yes, a hierarchy of unique 4-D Low 2-C dream world->superior and infinitely larger time axis (cyberspace) to make 5-D -> superior and infinitely larger time axis (Maginaryworld) to make 6-D
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So is 6D going from a possibly to a full on?
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But seriously, not only does Solaris need to anchor himself within the multiverse despite it including Maginary World IIRC, but Eggman says "is there no way to beat a Super-Dimensional being?" in regards to Solaris, indicating that Solaris transcends anything Eggman has seen before (which should include Void and Illumina, who scale in HDE to the dimensionality of Maginaryworld)
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Yes, but only phase 2 and no tier is given for this. Only more difficult to interact with him.
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Guys can you stop talking about solaris and focus on the thread instead?
Seriously you guys have walls for a reason
Seriously you guys have walls for a reason
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This btw
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Not sure, but if Cyberspace’s totality is accepted as one dream in MW I might push for full on.
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@JJSliderman Am I correct in stating that you argue Fourth Dimension space has 3 spatial dimensions and 3 temporal dimensions?
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Yes, one from individual dreams, one from Cyberspace, and one from 4D space.
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Preach.
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Then the only non-contradictory interpretation I see with the following statement:
"The final map is the 4TH DIMENSION SPACE, the last stage in the story mode. Will you be able to successfully complete the last stage in the story mode in this infinite 4-dimensional space? We will introduce more detailed information about the map and its tricks in the next article, so please wait for a while."
Is that 4th dimension space has 4 spatial dimensions and that the magazine is only referring to said spatial dimensions.
"The final map is the 4TH DIMENSION SPACE, the last stage in the story mode. Will you be able to successfully complete the last stage in the story mode in this infinite 4-dimensional space? We will introduce more detailed information about the map and its tricks in the next article, so please wait for a while."
Is that 4th dimension space has 4 spatial dimensions and that the magazine is only referring to said spatial dimensions.
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I just made a non-hypertimeline argument, happy now?
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In this case the context of the cosmology supersedes the intended mechanics, unless hypertimeline logic is rejected, in which case Maginaryworld would be a four dimensional space with a temporal component (5-D), which also extends to Sonic’s world and Blaze’s.
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I think you misunderstood me, I'm arguing 7D. 4 spatial dimensions and 3 temporal ones.
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I had not thought of that, you’re saying that 4D space having both a superior time axis and an extra spatial dimension on top of the 5D hypertimeline constitutes 7-D?
Not well versed in DT mechanics to say if that can work, maybe an expert could help.
Not well versed in DT mechanics to say if that can work, maybe an expert could help.
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Hold up, let this man cook.
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It was admittedly much simpler for Archie Sonic.
5-D stuff, a dimension utterly beyond that, and another dimension utterly transcendent of that.
Bam, 7D.
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Which is infinite in size, yes.
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