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I don’t think being infinite size in comparison to a 5-D is 6-D but then, not sure what the standards are.
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theres still the temporal dimension for maginaryworld, and if dreams are 5D, the space is now infinite 5D, and then the temporal dimension becomes 6dI don’t think being infinite size in comparison to a 5-D is 6-D but then, not sure what the standards are.
In this case there would already be a temporal dimension for the dream worlds, and there’s not enough hypertimeline evidence.theres still the temporal dimension for maginaryworld, and if dreams are 5D, the space is now infinite 5D, and then the temporal dimension becomes 6d
What's even the point then?In this case there would already be a temporal dimension for the dream worlds, and there’s not enough hypertimeline evidence.
Infinite 5D ap aswellWhat's even the point then?
It may make MW 6D, but before asking theoreticals, we must first conclude the debate on itWhat's even the point then?
The debate is more or less concluded. It would be mostly on what other mods think about it since neither Slider or I have changed our minds.It may make MW 6D, but before asking theoreticals, we must first conclude the debate on it
Yeah, but nobody actually agreed to it. You need to undo the edits and then argue it here.I feel like they should be Low 1-C by virtue of not only coming from a superior version of Neo Metal, but also using superior power sources. It seems fairly obvious that the Master Emerald is above the bio data of a bunch of adventure era base characters.
we had griff and mav agree to the scalingYeah, but nobody actually agreed to it. You need to undo the edits and then argue it here.
I agree with this sentiment. Master Overlord’s author statements are too far removed from his actual feats.Neo Metal being Low 1-C would be fine IMO since he has no anti feats and only loses his form due to power null, but Master Overlord has too many anti-feats.
I don't know if that comparison holds up. Sonic when seeing Master Overlord in issue 11 page 2 (after the recap and character section) states "On the plus side - he's not in a "super" state anymore!" and later states "Everyone's combined strength might be able to do it, but there's no way ugly here is going to let them get close". During the fight itself Tails using Eggman's ship along with every other character in the resistance damages Master Overlord and let's Knuckles get the Master Emerald as well.don’t think I need to explain why the Master Emerald is a stronger source to draw power from, so at minimum Super Neo should be comparable to Metal Overlord, and Master with it. Unless you want to say Master is infinitely weaker than Super Neo which, doesn’t really make sense for Neo’s “final form”.
I think that Sonic was talking about how Metal lost his invulnerability. That's why he says he can be damaged again.In addition Sonic directly states he's not in a Super form after transforming, which should indicate a power decrease if nothing else.
Since when are the ME powered beings inferior to super forms? Knuckles can’t scratch Super Mecha and Super Sonic can’t directly hurt final weapon.I don’t see why Super Neo would scale to Low 1-C. He only absorbed a bit of the Master Emerald’s energy. Both Master Emerald-empowered characters in Sonic 3K are pretty clearly inferior to Super forms, so why would Super Neo be stronger than a form that took 3 Super characters to take down?
The idea of the Master Emerald being a logically better power source than just some bio data doesn’t work either, as the Chaos Emeralds are also a logically better power source yet alone weren’t enough to beat Metal Overlord.
Super Mecha can only use the form for a few seconds and Knuckles is capable of keeping up with him. Sonic can keep up with the Giant Eggman Robo and destroy both its fingers and its core(?). Heavy King in Mania also uses the ME to power up and doesn’t even get invulnerability.Since when are the ME powered beings inferior to super forms? Knuckles can’t scratch Super Mecha and Super Sonic can’t directly hurt final weapon.
I don’t see how the strength of Neo himself changes anything.And it’s not just that Super Neo has the master Emerald, it’s that base Neo is > post-Forces base Sonic which makes him infinitely superior to the original Neo.
Yeah they needed 3 Super forms with pre-charged Chaos Emeralds to win, which shows that Metal Overlord’s power source > Chaos Emeralds.And also technically the Chaos Emeralds were enough, it’s just super Sonic alone was not.
Super Mecha can only use the form for a few seconds and Knuckles is capable of keeping up with him. Sonic can keep up with the Giant Eggman Robo and destroy both its fingers and its core(?). Heavy King in Mania also uses the ME to power up and doesn’t even get invulnerability.
I don’t see how the strength of Neo himself changes anything.
Yeah they needed 3 Super forms with pre-charged Chaos Emeralds to win, which shows that Metal Overlord’s power source > Chaos Emeralds.
It just feels wrong to say Super Neo > Metal Overlord when ME-powered machines are usually portrayed as weaker than Super forms and at most as strong as one.
It's just that he canonically gets punked by a bunch of baseline characters and the plot hinges on him losing that way. His previous form however has nearly the same amount of characters attack and fail to do more than distract him while simultaneously three Super Form characters need to do collective attacks to actually do any damage.but I can’t think of a lore reason he would be weaker.
This is pretty much where I stand as well. I get the reasoning for Super Neo to scale to Metal Overlord more than I did before, but the Master Emerald as a power source is still just way too inconsistent to say for sure.I can get a possibly rating sinc either is admittedly weird, but ultimately just direct upscaling has to many issues with it in my view.
If you mean every space is 2-C then no, but the totality of his local universe group would be post Sonic Advance 3.. Watch prime S3 and decide if 5x uni for Sonic’s world is okay.