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Continuing on from this thread, hopefully we can stay more on topic this time.
As before, all the relevant information and arguments are here. Credit to ShakeResounding and Greenshifter for looking over it and proofreading.
As a tl;dr (this is primarily focused on the concept of hyper timelines and higher spatial axes):
Individual dreams: 4-D, possibly 5-D
Cyberspace: 4-D to 5-D
Phantom Ruby/Rush Eggmanland: 5-D (for being superdimensional and transcendent of Sonic’s world)
Maginaryworld: 5-D
White Space: Beyond everything else.
Keep in mind, this is purely discussing changes to the cosmology. Scaling can be saved for another time.
Also credit to @ShakeResounding, @HenshinIntervention (no longer here but very important), and @ThatBusyDude (apparently also no longer here) for some of the scans and translations.
Agree: DarkDragonMedeus (leaning towards neutral but overall OK with 5-D for Maginaryworld, skeptical about higher on the original thread), Planck69 (agrees with 5-D, neutral on higher), Maverick_Zero_X (neutral on 6-D or higher, sees merit in 5-D Maginaryworld/Cyberspace), Qawsedf234 (Agrees with 5-D Maginaryworld), Firestorm808 (with 5-D Maginaryworld)
Disagree:
Neutral:
As before, all the relevant information and arguments are here. Credit to ShakeResounding and Greenshifter for looking over it and proofreading.
As a tl;dr (this is primarily focused on the concept of hyper timelines and higher spatial axes):
- Sonic Prime shows that Sonic's universe is large enough to contain an entire macrocosm of universe-sized dimensions when it was shattered by the Paradox Prism, said macrocosm being separated spatially via the Void between realms. The Void has a dubious infinite size argument.
- The space in Eggman's Tower is a 4-D space via containing a tesseract, an inherent 4-D structure, so containing it makes it such by default, and this is slightly supported by a starry sky being contained as well. Which shows Eggman can construct four-dimensional spaces with his tech.
- With this in mind, his creation of superdimensional spaces in Otherworld Comedy, and his attempted creation of one in Sonic Rush, should either be 5-D (via four spatial dimensions and a temporal component)
- Eggman also described these spaces as his “dreams”, which hints that the dream of an individual can reach this scope.
- Cyber Space, which is referred to directly as the Digital Dream, is an infinite-sized macrocosm, implied to be endless and encompasses data from two separate digital realms with their unique timeflow (Eggnet and the United Federations mainframe, both from Shadow's game).
- It is the collective wish, tens of thousands of years ago, for the Ancients to not be forgotten (and persists even in present day), and contains the individual dreams of multiple Ancients, each of which is at least Low 2-C.
- Eggman also states that the totality of Cyberspace is superior in scope to his own digital temporal creations.
- This makes it at least a 4-D realm via being massive in size compared to Low 2-C spaces.
- Alternatively, if the dreams within Cyberspace that are supposedly "universal" in scope are actually more akin to what actual universes in the Sonic multiverse are, it would mean Cyberspace can be 5-D.
- Maginaryworld, which I propose as a hypertimeline, encompasses a potentially infinite amount of dream realms.
- This includes the aforementioned Cyber Space, making it at minimum a 5-D realm, as Maginaryworld is a superior and greater dream than any other dream in the multiverse, including a dream encompassing all of Cyberspace, as all other dreams are nigh-infinitesimal in size and scope compared to Illumina's dream of the Fourth Dimension Space, and Maginaryworld is infinitely larger than any individual dream, as 4th dimension space is infinite in scope and composed of all the dreams of the multiverse, and yet no individual dream occupies the entirety of 4th dimension space (not even the 5-D Cyberspace).
- So, Maginaryworld is larger than Cyberspace, and on its own contains an infinite four-dimensional space and temporal component, hence 5-D.
Individual dreams: 4-D, possibly 5-D
Cyberspace: 4-D to 5-D
Phantom Ruby/Rush Eggmanland: 5-D (for being superdimensional and transcendent of Sonic’s world)
Maginaryworld: 5-D
White Space: Beyond everything else.
Keep in mind, this is purely discussing changes to the cosmology. Scaling can be saved for another time.
Also credit to @ShakeResounding, @HenshinIntervention (no longer here but very important), and @ThatBusyDude (apparently also no longer here) for some of the scans and translations.
Agree: DarkDragonMedeus (leaning towards neutral but overall OK with 5-D for Maginaryworld, skeptical about higher on the original thread), Planck69 (agrees with 5-D, neutral on higher), Maverick_Zero_X (neutral on 6-D or higher, sees merit in 5-D Maginaryworld/Cyberspace), Qawsedf234 (Agrees with 5-D Maginaryworld), Firestorm808 (with 5-D Maginaryworld)
Disagree:
Neutral:
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