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From the moment Kyouka Suigetsu spreads to the area, everyone in that area is passively affected. However, it depends on the aizen what kind of hypnosis he will use.
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Aizen Sosuke VS Zeref Dragneel
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EldemadeDityjon
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Make a CRT and make the Mid Godly rating solid if you really think they removed it. Untill then I'm not buying it
Already accepted that Aizen KS affected Yhwach future sight. You are just ignoring what profile already listed
"willful ignorance" or "ignoring the evidence." It occurs when someone intentionally disregards or ignores relevant evidence or proof, usually to maintain their existing beliefs or opinions.
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In absolute hypnosis, the actions Aizen desires occur. Think of it like his world.
Zeinx1
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I'm telling you that even if he manipulates the organs, nothing will change, Zeref is resistant to everything mental and spiritual + show me what I didn't answer?
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It's not 5 sense resistant my friend.
Zeinx1
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I don't care whether you take it or not, it will be used in the war, even if possibly.
So is this passive? I asked you to prove that it's passive and you threw this at me, seriously you call this passive lol
Zeinx1
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Okay, I'm telling you that ks is a mental thing that won't work in Zeref.
Zeinx1
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Dude, I'm saying he has resistance to the things you said, you're saying it's not resistance, stop talking nonsense.
EldemadeDityjon
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So I will take it as buden of proof and argument from incredulity.
Again you are committing the same fallacy where I already gave the proof as Profile.
Zeinx1
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Stop acting like a freak and don't make me repeat what I said about Zeref having resistance in his organs and resistance in his emotions.
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Dude, they are both different types of minds, and as I said, manipulating the 5 sense organs, even if it has resistance to the mind, it has no resistance to the 5 sense organs, it activates all kinds of kyoka suigetsu.
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It doesn't say anything about passive, are you kidding me?
Zeinx1
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Dude, he actually said that ☠ Zeref has resistance to everything spiritual, mental and physical.
I'm tired of telling you this, but you're still making the same mistake
EldemadeDityjon
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Why TF that has anything to do with passive?
- The moment the fight starts his KS would be activated. It's his in character fighting style.
- Stop the strawman. It's passive or not it's irrelevant
- My argument is the moment match starts Zeref gets puts under KS and he would believe he activated Neo eclipse and gets killed or sealed without even knowing anything.
Zeinx1
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The fact that you can even choose this delays it from working passively anyway lol.
please stop contradicting yourself.
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Almighy has the power to see unlimited futures passively from the moment it is activated. And Aizen's Kyouka Suigetsu completely counteracts Almighty, which is his passive vision. A passive power can be overcome by a passive power. From the moment Kyouka Suigetsu spreads to the area, everyone in that area is passively affected. However, it depends on the aizen what kind of hypnosis he will use.
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In his description of Kyouka Suigetsu's abilities, Aizen uses phrases such as "manipulating the perception of reality" and "creating illusions". This requires active intervention rather than passive influence, so in short, this is not passive hax.
Additionally, in the Bleach universe, Zanpakuto's are a reflection of their owners' souls. Kyouka Suigetsu's manipulative ability can be considered an extension of Aizen's own trickery and cunning. Being a passive ability does not fit with Aizen's character.
Zanpakuto's abilities usually develop gradually and grow stronger with the mastery of their wielder. Aizen's skilful use of Kyouka Suigetsu shows that it does not have a passive effect
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I'm talking about passive influence anyway. It is obvious that Zeref cannot do anything after being affected.
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I'm talking about passive influence anyway. It is obvious that Zeref cannot do anything after being affected.
Zeinx1
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1. I say it is not passive because they said it was passive above.
2. it is not passive anyway
3. Zeref can never be sealed or killed, I have proved this many times above, but you don't understand because you don't know how to listen.
4. The war will be like this, Zeref will activate the neo eclipse and then this timeline will be reset and the war will end before there is no aizen left. Even if there was a sc passive time rewind loop, zeref could still use the neo eclipse and it would still reset this universe.
EldemadeDityjon
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I take it you are intentionally joking at this point.1. I say it is not passive because they said it was passive above.
2. it is not passive anyway
3. Zeref can never be sealed or killed, I have proved this many times above, but you don't understand because you don't know how to listen.
4. The war will be like this, Zeref will activate the neo eclipse and then this timeline will be reset and the war will end before there is no aizen left. Even if there was a sc passive time rewind loop, zeref could still use the neo eclipse and it would still reset this universe.
Zeref solos bleach
- Strawman argument
- Another strawman
- Argument from incredulity
- Argument from Ignorance
Zeinx1
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The guy didn't know what the rewind time was.
I proved above that it won't work on zeref and you still continue, zeref will definitely resist mind mp and other things. It is in zeref's profile.
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My friend Kyoka stated above that Aizen was resilient before the Suigetsu topic was brought up.1. I say it is not passive because they said it was passive above.
2. it is not passive anyway
3. Zeref can never be sealed or killed, I have proved this many times above, but you don't understand because you don't know how to listen.
4. The war will be like this, Zeref will activate the neo eclipse and then this timeline will be reset and the war will end before there is no aizen left. Even if there was a sc passive time rewind loop, zeref could still use the neo eclipse and it would still reset this universe.
Zeref solos bleach
Zeinx1
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18. The Fallacy Fallacy
This is when people assume that because their opponent has committed a logical fallacy, their argument must therefore be wrong.
Zeinx1
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I guess you won't answer what I say.My friend Kyoka stated above that Aizen was resilient before the Suigetsu topic was brought up.
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dude I argued that it is not passive and you say you said the same thing, so ks is not a passive hax nothing will touch it passively, zerefin has mind manip resistor in his profile this means that he can resist and aizen will not affect ks
EldemadeDityjon
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Being able to resist regular mind hax doesn't mean you can resist mind manipulation that messes with fate/future sight of Yhwach.
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I looked at Zeref's profile, but I couldn't see anything about mind manip resistance. Can you send me proof that it is (I'm not saying there is no mind manip resistance in Zeref)
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Shit guys I told y'all to stop unnecessary cooking
When Aizen affects Almighty's vision, he states in his conversation with Ichigo that he has already released the KS. Even if the KS is broken, its effect is not broken. This is not related to Zanpakto.This is an indication that the spreading effect is now out of Aizen's control, but yes, Aizen chooses the illusions himself. But this is not against being passive KS Because the passive effect of KS is the moment it spreads to the battlefield
So yes, Zeref will passively fall under the influence of KS, then Aizen will completely manipulate his perception (I remember that the OP already equalized the speeds).
When Aizen affects Almighty's vision, he states in his conversation with Ichigo that he has already released the KS. Even if the KS is broken, its effect is not broken. This is not related to Zanpakto.This is an indication that the spreading effect is now out of Aizen's control, but yes, Aizen chooses the illusions himself. But this is not against being passive KS Because the passive effect of KS is the moment it spreads to the battlefield
So yes, Zeref will passively fall under the influence of KS, then Aizen will completely manipulate his perception (I remember that the OP already equalized the speeds).
Zeinx1
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Show me where it was not answered, I definitely answered in a speech against time, what we mean is not that zeref rewinds aizen's time, but "ZEREF RESETS THE TIMELINE OF THE ENTIRE BLEACH UNIVERSE" we say this, do not distort what I say
I told you about Zeref's resistance to everything physical and spiritual, and you didn't answer me.
Zeinx1
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Dude, I don't care about this discussion, it's just that Poyraz is talking about my person and toxicizing me, it was annoying.
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this CRT will get complicated. It's best to stay neutral, two characters are in conflict.
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Aizen FRA
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While Zeref is under the influence of the damn KS, I doubt he will rewind time and reset the entire Bleach universe.
Zeinx1
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No I'll shut up in a bit, probably this versus thread will end with aizen winning.
I think Zeref will win and my reasons for voting for Zeref:
Zeinx1
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He can free himself from the influence of Zeref ks by rewinding time. And when he rewinds time, he can reset the universe. (It can also reset timeline when rewinding.)
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Man, how many times do I have to say that Aizen's resistance to neo eclipse was proven 1-2 pages ago + Kyoka Suigetsu, you said it was your idea, I already respect your opinion but I don't think so
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