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I am writing your name for Aizen, if you change your mind, you can tell me.
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Aizen Sosuke VS Zeref Dragneel
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Hellscream
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"nope" is not a wincon lol
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i vote for zeref
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If Aizen doenst have death manip resistence, then Zeref will win and i vote zeref to high diff
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There is resistance to death manipulation in aizen, which has been proven in this discussion. If your vote is still the same, let me write
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I will follow this crt then, but i still think zeref can win. Put me nautural for now
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Okay, but it may be late for me to put you in the zeref dragneel, I'm in school right now
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You can't vote without providing a reason.
Finding all these Zeref FRA's outta nowhere pretty sus tbh.
Finding all these Zeref FRA's outta nowhere pretty sus tbh.
EldemadeDityjon
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I think someone is luring his friends to get votes for Zeref.They are even admitting their only Arguments are their beliefs
Zeinx1
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I just woke up what do you sayI think someone is luring his friends to get votes for Zeref.
poyraz ezikmisij
Zeinx1
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Having resistance to death manipulation doesn't mean anything. Mavis also had resistance to death manipulation but Zeref killed her with death manipulation.
Zeinx1
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We have already discussed with Poyraz in the previous pages and Poyraz could not answer, so he applied for votes. You can look at wincon by reading the previous page.
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Dude, you're still responding, so now that we're down to voting, I'll respond one last time. He has resistance to death manipulation, but even if he doesn't, he can resist with immo 8 and hogyoku, and if he perceives it as a threat, his reactive evolution can come into play. That's enough, the rest is up to the votes. Good day
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If what you say is true, I think Aizen wins, I don't know what else he can win with.
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Zeref never killed Mavis, he temporarily incapacitated her. They both have the same immortality and Zeref isn't able to kill himself with his death magic.
Bastolan27
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Aizen wins.
Resetting the cosmology will be ineffective since the Soul King passively maintains it. The Hogyoku can transform someone into the Soul King, and Aizen possesses the necessary range to sustain it.
I don't understand why some believe Aizen's time manipulation resistance is weak. He defeated Kototsu, who controlled layers of time in the Dangai, and Kisuke, who is on par with Aizen in intelligence, also manipulated time in the Dangai.
Can Zeref even survive Ittō Kasō?
Caja Negacion, considering the Bleach cosmology, should trap Zeref in a space-time outside of the Garganta. Even Ulquiorra couldn't escape with Descorrer. So, it's a game over for Zeref.
Resetting the cosmology will be ineffective since the Soul King passively maintains it. The Hogyoku can transform someone into the Soul King, and Aizen possesses the necessary range to sustain it.
I don't understand why some believe Aizen's time manipulation resistance is weak. He defeated Kototsu, who controlled layers of time in the Dangai, and Kisuke, who is on par with Aizen in intelligence, also manipulated time in the Dangai.
Can Zeref even survive Ittō Kasō?
Caja Negacion, considering the Bleach cosmology, should trap Zeref in a space-time outside of the Garganta. Even Ulquiorra couldn't escape with Descorrer. So, it's a game over for Zeref.
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Do you have evidence that mavis has resistance to death manipulation? I'm asking because I didn't see it in mavis's profile.
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i vote incon coz both passive each other
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No, we're just in the voting part.
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Lol ,all Shinigami are resistant to death manipulation
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Yeah but this death Manipulation is not a problem for Aizen, Aizen can come back even if his soul body mind is completely destroyed by Ichigo thanks to the hogyoku, and the hogyoku is something that can keep Aizen alive even if he is separated from his body, he cannot kill Aizen without completely destroying the hogyoku
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Bro zeref won’t die eitherbecause of conceptual time hax
This is incon
This is incon
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I've already defended Aizen's Rw with l2c range against this
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Bro I’m not reading 7 pages
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bro aizen stomps
fist bro gets stomped by love train and now aizen
fist bro gets stomped by love train and now aizen
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I think everyone knows this already, I just wanted some proof of Mavis's death manipulation resistance.
Twisted_Little_Raven
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He was under KS prior
EldemadeDityjon
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What that has anything to do with what I said?
Twisted_Little_Raven
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You made it sound like he put him under it after his Almighty was active.
Anyway incon
EldemadeDityjon
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Still irrelevant. My point was that Aizen's Kyoka Suigetsu can affect all the future visions of Yhwach. We have a direct statement supporting this. Additionally, Yhwach's Almighty has a powernull on the level of CM type 2, yet it couldn't nullify Aizen's mind hax. Zeref needs resistance to mind manipulation on that level. If anyone claims Zeref won't get affected, that's my point.
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Oh yeah, I definitely agree with you lol. I was just answering Nightmare's question.
Speaking of which, I saw some new users voted for Zeref during his matchup with Love Train and here it's happening again. I wonder what's up with that?
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Twisted_Little_Raven
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Its extremely relevant
This panel is saying if he sees your power (future) he can negate it. But since he was put under it prior, it's exploiting a weakness of the Almighty. Because if it's based on what he sees, he never saw it because he never knew he was under KS. So there was no future where Yhwach saw himself under KS. So if Yhwach wasn't put under it prior KS wouldn't do anything. If anything this is just a feat for how impressive it is for KS to always remain active. It's relevant in the fight probably but you're kinda overwanking it by noting the Almighty's weakness. It's just the perfect loophole and not just Ks is just that broken
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In fact, Yhwach must have seen KS, Yhwach actually understood everything when he saw Zangetsu especially in the last moments
The future he saw in his dream (the future in which Yhwach was killed by the zangetsu), he thought it was a dream from the beginning and said so in his last moments, Almighty sees all possible futures passively, so Almighty also saw this future in which Yhwach died, but Yhwach thought it was a dream
In short he must have seen Aizen using his KS in this present future because Almighty, according to Yhwach's explanation does not show a single moment, but shows all possible futures from the beginning, so yes, this is definitely an achievement of KS
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