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What are you talking about about Natsu? Did Zeref have hax like this in his first fight with Natsu?
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bruh I debunked literally everything you said, we shouldn't go off topic by going on too long.
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Itachi Uchiha vs Zeref Dragneel (19-10-0)
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Hiiilt
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No, unless op gives both prep Time
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Thanks to analytical prediction, Zeref can make the first attack, but as I said, since Itachi also has analytical prediction, they counter each other.
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"initial move doesn't matter" well this is getting a little scary. I don't know how Zeref's analytical prediction works, but his ability to rewind time is definitely not his starting move and Iirc, he can't use it to his heart's content.
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Where did I talk about their first fight? I'm talking about his first attack on Zeref in Fairy Heart form.
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alr, what does this change? Natsu is already superior to Zeref in terms of speed and AP, I don't remember if he allowed it, but what does this change? Knowing how to rewind time does not mean he can use it as he wants.
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I think they're trying to say that even if it isn't his usual starting move it's gonna be his starting move because of his Analytical prediction(idk much about ft so i may be misunderstanding what they're trying to say)
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I don't know if such a thing is possible in VS threads, but Zeref never used haxes like TS for offensive purposes. (Iirc, It says so on your profile too. He can only turn back time when he dies) Moreover, I wonder if he can choose this according to his own wishes.
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Use your translation application properly. I never said "initial move doesn't matter" just the first attack I said it will be adjusted accordingly, so it can also stop time.
Hiiilt
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If it's ooc for him to use ts offensively then ig it's useless
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ok so you claimed that natsu is superior to zeref in terms of speed and AP. But despite this, Zeref waited where he was during that attack without hesitation, so he was aware of it. and he can use it himself because it is said that "he can passively rewind time"
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I'm writing it without using translation, and you wrote it that way because it means what you said.
Iirc, Zeref can't do this the way he wants and it's definitely not something like a starting move
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This is the issue I am talking about, it is not difficult to understand that Zeref will set this as the first attack thanks to the analytical prediction. If this had been against his will, he wouldn't have been referred to as "he" in his profile."it" was used because it would be seen as something Fairy Heart did herself.
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Irrelevant, completely irrelevant. What does what you say have to do with being Passive? If you are trying to prove that Zeref did this even after death, look at the end of the FH Zeref vs Natsu section, you will find better evidence. (Still, it has nothing to do with being passive, but)
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Okay, prove to me that Zeref will do this for attack purposes. Can Zeref choose this as he wishes, etc. We also need evidence for these, but the priority is usage.
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Are you kidding me dude? It is already confirmed in the profile that it is passive, so we cannot reject it. What I meant there was in what capacity the action was done.That's why I put the adjective "he" in quotes
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Dude, why do you think I've been advocating analytic prediction from the very beginning? Zeref will see that Itachi will use genjutsu and in this way he will adjust many of his abilities accordingly.This includes one of the most important ones, rewinding time. Zeref is doing this himself or he is aware of it, Natsu's example is still valid because zeref had no doubts during the attack and is referred to as "he" in the profile
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What does it say on the profile? Yes, Zeref can only use TS when he's dead, But that doesn't make that hax passive
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Zeref's haxes like TS are not for offensive purposes. Also, Itachi has what you mentioned and also Zeref can't resist mindhax.
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zeref would need to have "precognition" to know about genjutsu i don't think he will be able to predict a power he didn't even know existed(unless his analytical prediction has feats of predicting attacks he didn't even know existed)
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Now has Zeref ever had a battle where he performed a feat of analytical prediction like Itachi? I think he did something like this against enemies in the Alaverez arc. But this is much different than Itachi's
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Hi 2 questions, has Zeref been able to foresee an opponent’s abilities without knowing them before? And what Natsu example are you referring to?
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cool banner btw
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Thank you bros
cool pfp
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Zeref's profile states that he rewinds time as PASSIVE, there is no other explanation, it is unquestionably passive.
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Through analytical prediction, Zeref will see that he is being manipulated by the genjutsu and act accordingly. Zeref also has information analysisWhen a cold-blooded and intelligent character like Zeref sees that he is under control in this way, he will of course make appropriate attacks.
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But Itachi doesn't kill him, he can't physically harm him in any way.
Also Itachi can do genjutsu without even looking at his opponent, I don't know if there's much to argue about that. Itachi is superior in a first hit wins battle.
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Dude... I don't know how many times I will tell you this, but Zeref will foresee this attack thanks to analytical prediction and information analysis and will attack accordingly. As we know, Zeref is the smartest character in Fairy Tail and it is inevitable that he will see such a thing and attack accordingly. So, despite all this, why shouldn't he use these skills offensively?
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Zeref gets this thanks to Mavis. Natsu's example is that Zeref does not take Natsu's attack seriously, relying on his power to rewind time.
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Can't Zeref predict this with analytical prediction and information analysis and make attacks in this direction? For example, rewinding time or stopping time.
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So is there an actual example of him foreseeing someone’s abilities without ever seeing them fight though?
So I don’t know much about FT, was this attack one of Natsu’s flame based attacks?
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We have to wait 24 hours after the minimum number of votes for grace has been achieved (7 votes), then the match can be added
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Also, Robo should change the tags of the match since he is now using Itachi instead of Kuwamaga
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Capable of learning and memorizing the magic, strength, psychology, and movement patterns of everyone participating in the Grand Magic Games, despite not everyone participating in combat, or showing off the full capabilities of their magic. Was able to look at an entire battlefield and instantly came up with 49 counter strategies by analyzing based on how they act in battle.
This is where Mavis won the analytical prediction. The required scans are available in her profile.
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Yes, flame magic was used
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Ok but you’re saying his strategies are based on analyzing how they act in battle. This is the start of a battle
So more specifically, in a 1v1 fight, has he ever began by foreseeing what specific ability his opponent will most likely start with despite never seeing their abilities before?
Because the thing about Mavis is she memorized all those things. She didn’t foresee them
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Yeah so if Zeref only rewinds time to revive himself then it makes sense why he’d use it that way against Natsu. How is he using that if the attack isn’t meant to kill but to target his mind? Has he used it in this way before?
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