Aizen Sosuke VS Zeref Dragneel

[Zeinx1]

We're arguing in vain right now. First of all, you accept that Zeref cannot kill Aizen with death manipulation.

No, I said that killing Aizen is one thing, but zeref affecting him is another thing and zeref will affect him.

 

[Zeinx1]

Of course, the important thing right now is that it is passive, otherwise what kind of benefit do you expect it to provide for Zeref?

Even if it's passive it won't make any sense, I hope you know that, don't you ever look at aizen's profile?

 

[poyraz]

And we should also know that Aizen's passive haxes will be effective faster than Zeref's because there is a "range" difference.

 

[Zeinx1]

We're arguing in vain right now. First of all, you accept that Zeref cannot kill Aizen with death manipulation.

I say it affects

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Adaptation and Reactive Evolution (The Hogyoku made Aizen undergo several evolutions during battle, increasing his statistics, changing his appearance and granting him new abilities and resistances on the spot[56]),

Voting Aizen. Death Manipulation shouldn't be doing much thing against Hogyoku adaptation. Beside if Zeref kills Aizen with death hax he would just come back stronger while Zeref would Passively gets crushed by SP.

 

[Nightmarefd0]

Even if it's passive it won't make any sense, I hope you know that, don't you ever look at aizen's profile?

I said this was important since what we've just been discussing is death manipulation and passive hax. Otherwise, I said above that Zeref cannot kill Aizen with death manipulation.

 

[Zeinx1]

And we should also know that Aizen's passive haxes will be effective faster than Zeref's because there is a "range" difference.

Didn't you say it's on the bleach universe zeref can destroy that universe with neo eclipse this universe will be destroyed as soon as the war starts (it's an environmental destruction and the cosmology of rangesi and bleach universe are on the same level)

 

[Valeska24]

Bleach goons vs FT goons

 

[Nightmarefd0]

Bleach goons vs FT goons

Hi buddy

 

[Valeska24]

As far as I can see, Zeref has no resistance to the side effects of Aizen's reiatsu, he is physically a 5a character and a 3c pressure will be applied to his body, and of course there are many other side effects of Aizen's reiatsu (fear mp, paralysis inducement, etc.) anyway, when I look at his profile, I don't see any resistance to them either, since Rc is already considered passive, Aizen's reiatsu will take effect on Zeref as soon as the battle starts

So Aizen solos

 

[Zeinx1]

Bleach goons vs FT goons

By the way, I also say aizen>zeref (in vsb profile) I only spoke for luffyruffy.

Im voting for aizen
(I just had fun with that boy Poyraz.)

 

[Zeinx1]

As far as I can see, Zeref has no resistance to the side effects of Aizen's reiatsu, he is physically a 5a character and a 3c pressure will be applied to his body, and of course there are many other side effects of Aizen's reiatsu (fear mp, paralysis inducement, etc.) anyway, when I look at his profile, I don't see any resistance to them either, since Rc is already considered passive, Aizen's reiatsu will take effect on Zeref as soon as the battle starts

So Aizen solos

W We already talked about this on discord, man, I agree


bu arada zeref alıyo aizeni vsb dışı

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

By the way, I also say aizen>zeref (in vsb profile) I only spoke for luffyruffy.

Im voting for aizen
(I just had fun with that boy Poyraz.)

That was fun

 

[Valeska24]

arada zeref alıyo aizeni vsb dışı

YOK

 

[poyraz]

By the way, I also say aizen>zeref (in vsb profile) I only spoke for luffyruffy.

Im voting for aizen
(I just had fun with that boy Poyraz.)

Thanks for Joining the Discussion, come back with stronger arguments next time

 

[Zeinx1]

YOK

niye yok kanka bu arada zeref'e dediğin hiçbir ruhsal şey işlemiyor haberin olsun qwe NEP1 VAKTİ

 

[Zeinx1]

Thanks for Joining the Discussion, come back with stronger arguments next time

I didn't even present anything, I just corrected the discussion about the death manip, which I don't think you can debunk any of my own arguments, if you want to try your luck, type dc : eaxar and let's see

 

[Nightmarefd0]

The party probably moved on somewhere else, it was fun anyway

 

[poyraz]

I didn't even present anything, I just corrected the discussion about the death manip, which I don't think you can debunk any of my own arguments, if you want to try your luck, type dc : eaxar and let's see

There is no need to continue further, do not go beyond the discussion. (You added me via discord, you supported death manipulation against an immo 8 character as an extra )

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

The party probably moved on somewhere else, it was fun anyway

It's great to liven up a battle like this, but let's see what happens next

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

There is no need to continue further, do not go beyond the discussion. (You added me via discord, you supported death manipulation against an immo 8 character as an extra )

Only give Zeref type 8 immortality denial, although he doesn't need it to incapacitate Aizen

Time stop and it's over for Aizen

 

[Zeinx1]

There is no need to continue further, do not go beyond the discussion. (You added me via discord, you supported death manipulation against an immo 8 character as an extra )

I wonder if you can tell me when I said something like that while debating with you, come to discord and let's discuss from there instead of "toxicating" me from here, come and have a debate with me together with a judge and let's see if I remember correctly, you ate zeref 10d from me. not a distant date only 3 weeks ago

 

[Zeinx1]

Only give Zeref type 8 immortality denial, although he doesn't need it to incapacitate Aizen

Time stop and it's over for Aizen

Zeref already has a passive time rewind and Zeref is resistant to everything spiritual.

None of these things will work on Zeref. Poyraz aizen definitely does not know how to defend.

 

[poyraz]

I wonder if you can tell me when I said something like that while debating with you, come to discord and let's discuss from there instead of "toxicating" me from here, come and have a debate with me together with a judge and let's see if I remember correctly, you ate zeref 10d from me. not a distant date only 3 weeks ago

As I said, there is no need to continue further

 

[poyraz]

Only give Zeref type 8 immortality denial, although he doesn't need it to incapacitate Aizen

Time stop and it's over for Aizen

All he can do with Soul Crush is watch as Zeref's soul is crushed.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Zeref already has a passive time rewind and Zeref is resistant to everything spiritual.

None of these things will work on Zeref. Poyraz aizen definitely does not know how to defend.

So let's rewind the time that that stone that Aizen has until it no longer exists there

 

[Valeska24]

Okay guys stop cooking, I'm starting to smell burning

 

[Zeinx1]

All he can do with Soul Crush is watch as Zeref's soul is crushed.

If you don't know what mid godly means, let me give you a quote

Spoiler: Mid godly

Mid-Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete erasure of one's body, mind, and soul.

 

[Zeinx1]

So let's rewind the time that that stone that Aizen has until it no longer exists there

Yes, it will be possible even if sc is applied by aizen (it definitely won't work on zeref), zeref can simply get rid of it thanks to passive time rewinding, and the neo eclipse thing I wrote above was not answered by poyraz anyway.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Only give Zeref type 8 immortality denial, although he doesn't need it to incapacitate Aizen

Time stop and it's over for Aizen

Aizen has Resistance.

Space-Time Manipulation (Atomic: Was able to withstand his own Kurohitsugi.[68] Was additionally able to destroy Kōtotsu and only strayed from his course slightly.[69] Being chased by Kōtotsu can throw someone to a different time period[70]),

 

[Zeinx1]

Okay guys stop cooking, I'm starting to smell burning

What's up, my goat?

bu arada crespo gsye saplıyacak

 

[Zeinx1]

Aizen has Resistance.

The point here is that he's rewinding time, so he's not actually telling him to kill Aizen through him.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

All he can do with Soul Crush is watch as Zeref's soul is crushed.

I bet if you read Zeref's profile you'd know this is useless

Zeref's soul and possibly his own mind are able to regenerate from being completely destroyed

Is able to resist Franmalth's Soul Absorption, and was unaffected by Larcade's Pleasure Magic, which effects the soul

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The point here is that he's rewinding time, so he's not actually telling him to kill Aizen through him.

Read the resistance again & what Kototsu does.

There is no scans here can I get where Zeref showcased feats for Regenerating from mind destruction also? This is possible rating. If no one sends a scan I will go with Burden of proof & Zeref can't Regenerate from Soul Crush.

Regeneration (At least Low-Godly, possibly Mid-Godly. Zeref is able to instantly heal injuries such as severe burns, deep wounds, and decapitation. Zeref, while being the smartest character in the verse and having knowledge of many forms of complete body destruction such as the R-System, Crush, Ars Magia, and Corpse Dragon Slayer Magic, stated that he tried every method possible to kill himself and no matter what happened, he would not die and his body would eventually return to normal, meaning Zeref should be capable of regenerating from the complete physical destruction of his own body. Zeref's soul and possibly his own mind are able to regenerate from being completely destroyed)

 

[poyraz]

I bet if you read Zeref's profile you'd know this is useless

VSB doesn't need to kill in winning conditions, anyway Aizen is superior by constantly destroying and renewing, this will be enough for victory.

 

[Zeinx1]

Read the resistance again & what Kototsu does.

There is no scans here can I get where Zeref showcased feats for Regenerating from mind destruction also? This is possible rating. If no one sends a scan I will go with Burden of proof & Zeref can't Regenerate from Soul Crush.

Okey I'm throwing evidence, give me a second

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

VSB doesn't need to kill in winning conditions, anyway Aizen is superior by constantly destroying and renewing, this will be enough for victory.

Aizen is not superior in destroying, Aizen is 3-C while Zeref is Low 2-C with Neo Eclipse

 

[Phsccarvalho]

From the moment any battle starts, is Zeref's first attack always death manipulation? If not, look at which attacks they started with first.

It's basically his main power and the one he always uses.

Just go to "Notable Attacks/Techniques: ---> Ankhseram Black Magic"

Basically the gifs are him using his black/death magic.

With the first gif being him using Death manipulation in AoE when he meets other people.

 

[poyraz]

Aizen is not superior in destroying, Aizen is 3-C while Zeref is Low 2-C with Neo Eclipse

My friend, our topic here is not AP, soul crush is not AP based, it is soul manipulation based. and it has 5x layers

 

[Zeinx1]

Read the resistance again & what Kototsu does.

There is no scans here can I get where Zeref showcased feats for Regenerating from mind destruction also? This is possible rating. If no one sends a scan I will go with Burden of proof & Zeref can't Regenerate from Soul Crush.

Mavis tells Kana very clearly that she must erase and destroy her own soul in order to regenerate and awaken. After telling her that the soul/spirit was completely destroyed, Mavis was able to revive her soul/spirit and come back to life without any problems. We know that Mavis' Thought Projection Body is only her spirit/soul and for all intents and purposes is a ghost. Spirits and physical bodies are interconnected in Fairy Tail, which is no more powerful. When Acnologia's soul was completely destroyed, her physical body was also completely destroyed because they were both connected. The same would have been true for Mavis, but since her body is immortal, it would not have been destroyed when her soul was destroyed, so why did this happen? We also know that Zeref tried every way to kill himself for 400 years. He could have learned about body dismemberment from the R System, the Ars Spell, the Corpse Dragon Slayer Spell and more. Zeref also knows that Existence Erasure cannot kill him. So it is strongly supported that Mavis and Zeref can regenerate by having their bodies and souls' actually higher because remember the statement that none of the demons can kill zeref.




For the scale in Vsb, you can look at the regenerator in zeref's basic switch and see



https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zeref_Dragneel