Aizen Sosuke VS Zeref Dragneel

[poyraz]

You say Zeref has an advantage in the bleach universe but that seems like a mistake, Kyoka Suigetsu is everywhere, Zeref won't be able to escape the absolute hypnosis.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Actually, no he can't. Hougyouku's RW works according to Aizen's wishes and desires. And at the same time, this feature of Hougyouku can affect the whole world and has the already accepted l2c Range. This means the past, present and future of a universe. So no, Zeref can't defeat Aizen with this.

This still doesn't prove he can withstand a change in the timeline.

 

[Zeinx1]

Aizen has sealing Kidos and a seperate dimension to seal Zeref off where even Espadas who can travel from one realm to another realm can't get out. That should give Aizen a Wincon even if he can't kill Zeref.

Zeref can passively rewind time to get rid of the seal, and in the same way he can get rid of the other one.

so he can get rid of what you're saying.

I'm changing my vote in favor of incon

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

In fact, he tried to separate the magic pebble from Aizen and failed, but Aizen cannot resist a change in the timeline.

Wrong read the scans again. He seperated the hogyoku from Aizen but still couldn't kill him. Zeref is not altering timeline he is destroying it correct yourself. Him destroying the universe isn't going to do anything. Yhwach was literally doing to do the same thing.

 

[Zeinx1]

You say Zeref has an advantage in the bleach universe but that seems like a mistake, Kyoka Suigetsu is everywhere, Zeref won't be able to escape the absolute hypnosis.

There will be no Bleach cosmology after the neo eclipse is applied, and I hope you know that the entire timeline will be reset.

 

[Valeska24]

This still doesn't prove he can withstand a change in the timeline.

I just told you that Aizen has the advantage because this RW affects an entire timeline, and in response, is that really your answer?

 

[Zeinx1]

Wrong read the scans again. He seperated the hogyoku from Aizen but still couldn't kill him. Zeref is not altering timeline he is destroying it correct yourself. Him destroying the universe isn't going to do anything. Yhwach was literally doing to do the same thing.

Zeref can make all kinds of additions to the timeline, he can also create a new timeline, that eclipse gate creates a new timeline.

and luffyruffy is right

 

[Zeinx1]

I just told you that Aizen has the advantage because this RW affects an entire timeline, and in response, is that really your answer?

Kanka sana birşey sorcam ya fred'in kartı iptal olabilirmiş gs maçında var gibi duruyor

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Proof one :

Proof two :

Proof three:

Proof four:

Proof five:

I can throw some more if it's still not enough lol

I think you don't understand what I was asking. I asked for scans where Zeref mind also getting destroyed. Having images of Body getting destroyed ≠ Mind and Soul gets destroyed.
You know Aizen only had Low Godly Regeneration up until recently. We had to prove his mind also got destroyed to get the mid Godly Regeneration. So I'm asking for specific part.

 

[poyraz]

There will be no Bleach cosmology after the neo eclipse is applied, and I hope you know that the entire timeline will be reset.

While in the universe, my friend will mislead Zeref into direct hypnosis. With Neo Eclipse, he can mislead Zeref by making it seem like he has reset time, or he can leave Zeref in all kinds of delusions in his illusions. There is nothing Zeref can do against this.

 

[Valeska24]

Kanka sana birşey sorcam ya fred'in kartı iptal olabilirmiş gs maçında var gibi duruyor

İnş

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Wrong read the scans again. He seperated the hogyoku from Aizen but still couldn't kill him. Zeref is not altering timeline he is destroying it correct yourself. Him destroying the universe isn't going to do anything. Yhwach was literally doing to do the same thing.

Separating it into one thing, Zeref will not separate, but rather change the events of the past so that Aizen never finds the stone and end up changing his future, where there will be a timeline in which there is no Aizen with the magic stone (I always forget the name of the stone)


I'm not saying that he will destroy the timeline, but rather that he will change the events of the past so that Aizen never found the magic stone, Aizen can only resist changes in the past with type 1 randomness and I don't see that in his profile.

 

[Zeinx1]

I think you don't understand what I was asking. I asked for scans where Zeref mind also getting destroyed. Having images of Body getting destroyed ≠ Mind and Soul gets destroyed.
You know Aizen only had Low Godly Regeneration up until recently. We had to prove his mind also got destroyed to get the mid Godly Regeneration. So I'm asking for specific part.

Fairy Tail: Zeref and Mavis Regen Buff

Imma revisit this again, because I think the initial reasoning it was rejected was faulty, but Zeref and Mavis should have Mid-Godly regen In the Alvarez Arc, Cana used Fairy Glitter to completely destroy Mavis's Thought Projection Body. We know that Mavis's Thought Projection Body is just her...

vsbattles.com

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Zeref can make all kinds of additions to the timeline, he can also create a new timeline, that eclipse gate creates a new timeline.

and luffyruffy is right

Separating it into one thing, Zeref will not separate, but rather change the events of the past so that Aizen never finds the stone and end up changing his future, where there will be a timeline in which there is no Aizen with the magic stone (I always forget the name of the stone)


I'm not saying that he will destroy the timeline, but rather that he will change the events of the past so that Aizen never found the magic stone, Aizen can only resist changes in the past with type 1 randomness and I don't see that in his profile.

So Zeref would go back in time and fight the Aizen who had that stone? Also what makes you think Zeref will have knowledge of hogyoku?
You still not explained how Even Kototsu which messes up with layers of time couldn't do anything about Aizen but Neo eclipse does

 

[Valeska24]

I'm not saying that he will destroy the timeline, but rather that he will change the events of the past so that Aizen never found the magic stone, Aizen can only resist changes in the past with type 1 randomness and I don't see that in his profile.

I said Aizen's Rw affects an entire timeline mate (and yes that includes the past) Aizen can read Zeref's mind and know his purpose, and with his power to fulfil Hougyouku's desires he can prevent this event from happening in the past tense

 

[Zeinx1]

While in the universe, my friend will mislead Zeref into direct hypnosis. With Neo Eclipse, he can mislead Zeref by making it seem like he has reset time, or he can leave Zeref in all kinds of delusions in his illusions. There is nothing Zeref can do against this.

My brother didn't know that it didn't really mean anything, the moment zeref activates the neo eclipse he will become the creator of that universe and will shape and rewrite it.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I said Aizen's Rw affects an entire timeline mate (and yes that includes the past) Aizen can read Zeref's mind and know his purpose, and with his power to fulfil Hougyouku's desires he can prevent this event from happening in the past tense

Of course, Aizen can intercept a passive ability through mind reading.

 

[Zeinx1]

So Zeref would go back in time and fight the Aizen who had that stone? Also what makes you think Zeref will have knowledge of hogyoku?
You still not explained how Even Kototsu which messes up with layers of time couldn't do anything about Aizen but Neo eclipse does

It will restart the timeline directly

So aizen probably won't live anyway...

 

[Zeinx1]

It will restart the timeline directly

So aizen probably won't live anyway...

which is also a condition for winning. Anyway, I don't care. I'm for a draw.

 

[poyraz]

My brother didn't know that it didn't really mean anything, the moment zeref activates the neo eclipse he will become the creator of that universe and will shape and rewrite it.

This is funny, Neo can make Eclipse look like Aizen has been destroyed in the illusion and leave Zeref helpless

 

[Valeska24]

Of course, Aizen can intercept a passive ability through mind reading.

are you kidding me i'm clearly saying that once Aizen read Zeref's mind and knew what he was aiming for, he would leave the rest to the Hogyoku Are you reading what I say?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It will restart the timeline directly

So aizen probably won't live anyway...

Yhwach was going to destroy the 3 universes and create a new world so that would do the same thing don't see how Destroying Bleach verse would kill Aizen.

Fairy Tail: Zeref and Mavis Regen Buff

Imma revisit this again, because I think the initial reasoning it was rejected was faulty, but Zeref and Mavis should have Mid-Godly regen In the Alvarez Arc, Cana used Fairy Glitter to completely destroy Mavis's Thought Projection Body. We know that Mavis's Thought Projection Body is just her...

vsbattles.com

Checked the link and arguments. They literally gave the possible rating because they lacked proof for mind destruction. So I will take it as Zeref can't Regenerate his mind.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

It was great to have a debate with you, I won't answer anymore, I'll watch an anime about a very powerful protagonist

^⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠_⁠^

 

[poyraz]

It was great to have a debate with you, I won't answer anymore, I'll watch an anime about a very powerful protagonist

^⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠_⁠^

good days my friend

 

[Zeinx1]

This is funny, Neo can make Eclipse look like Aizen has been destroyed in the illusion and leave Zeref helpless

Dude, it's not something you can manipulate with emotions, it's not something you can manipulate with emotions, stop this nonsense, I'm telling you that the whole timeline will start again, the neo eclipse is not something you can destroy, so zeref already knows that the neo eclipse is not something physical, contrary to what you think.

 

[Zeinx1]

It was great to have a debate with you, I won't answer anymore, I'll watch an anime about a very powerful protagonist

^⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠_⁠^

my brother was gonna watch fairy tail.

 

[poyraz]

Dude, it's not something you can manipulate with emotions, it's not something you can manipulate with emotions, stop this nonsense, I'm telling you that the whole timeline will start again, the neo eclipse is not something you can destroy, so zeref already knows that the neo eclipse is not something physical, contrary to what you think.

It deceives your mind, your brain and all your organs my friend, it has nothing to do with emotion, Kyoka Suigetsuda+ will be in hypnosis before the action you mentioned happens.

 

[Zeinx1]

It deceives your mind, your brain and all your organs my friend, it has nothing to do with emotion, Kyoka Suigetsuda+ will be in hypnosis before the action you mentioned happens.

I spoke as much as I saw in the wiki, and again, as I said, ks will have no meaning on zeref.

At the same time, as I proved above, zeref does not need a body or a soul.

 

[poyraz]

 

[Zeinx1]

that's not different from what I said.

 

[poyraz]

that's not different from what I said.

I shared it to clarify

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I spoke as much as I saw in the wiki, and again, as I said, ks will have no meaning on zeref.

At the same time, as I proved above, zeref does not need a body or a soul.

Aizen put yhwach under KS who was Manipulating infinite futures with precognition. So Zeref needs a feats on that level to resists the affects otherwise Zeref would believe he created a new timeline in his mind and gets sealed or Killed (No scans for Regenerating mind so aizen stomps here).

 

[poyraz]

I spoke as much as I saw in the wiki, and again, as I said, ks will have no meaning on zeref.

At the same time, as I proved above, zeref does not need a body or a soul.

You say it won't work but it will manipulate your 5 senses.

 

[Zeinx1]

Aizen put yhwach under KS who was Manipulating infinite futures with precognition. So Zeref needs a feats on that level to resists the affects otherwise Zeref would believe he created a new timeline in his mind and gets sealed or Killed (No scans for Regenerating mind so aizen stomps here).

You say it won't work but it will manipulate your 5 senses.

Dude, I threw you a crt for this and you seriously didn't look at it? I threw you a scan for mind renewal.

Probably the reason it was taken was because they knew it was destroyed, but we didn't see a panel about it so it was probably given.

(It's probably even higher)

Anyway, prove to me that ks is passive and only affects 5 emotions and nothing else except the organs.

 

[Zeinx1]

I will continue to buy incon as long as you don't do what I say (and people may say zeref will win, actually he will win the moment he resets the timeline with neo eclipse)

 

[poyraz]

Dude, I threw you a crt for this and you seriously didn't look at it? I threw you a scan for mind renewal.

Probably the reason it was taken was because they knew it was destroyed, but we didn't see a panel about it so it was probably given.

(It's probably even higher)

Anyway, prove to me that ks is passive and only affects 5 emotions and nothing else except the organs.

Kyoka Suigetsu doesn't need to be passive, it spreads everywhere, it works directly on Zeref, that's why I said 5 organs, not 5 emotions.

 

[Zeinx1]

Kyoka Suigetsu doesn't need to be passive, it spreads everywhere, it works directly on Zeref, that's why I said 5 organs, not 5 emotions.

Dude, do you think there's gonna be such a thing as everywhere? Are you kidding me? This timeline will be reset and there will be no more aizen and you won't even have memories of him?

5 organs doesn't mean anything either, stop making fun of me

 

[poyraz]

Dude, do you think there's gonna be such a thing as everywhere? Are you kidding me? This timeline will be reset and there will be no more aizen and you won't even have memories of him?

5 organs doesn't mean anything either, stop making fun of me

Kyoka cannot use Neo Eclipse on Suigetsu. Aizen may make it seem like he's playing with her perceptions and resetting her, but she won't realize it's actually hypnosis.

 

[Zeinx1]

Kyoka cannot use Neo Eclipse on Suigetsu. Aizen may make it seem like he's playing with her perceptions and resetting her, but she won't realize it's actually hypnosis.

Can you tell me why it won't make a difference? What difference does it make if Zeref manipulates his 5 organs? I think I said and proved above that Zeref has resistance to all of them.

You're doing nlf right now.

Spoiler: Nlf

16. No Limits Fallacy (NLF)
This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits (or only certain limits) then it has none (or only the ones demonstrated).

 

[poyraz]

Can you tell me why it won't make a difference? What difference does it make if Zeref manipulates his 5 organs? I think I said and proved above that Zeref has resistance to all of them.

You're doing nlf right now.

Spoiler: Nlf

16. No Limits Fallacy (NLF)
This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits (or only certain limits) then it has none (or only the ones demonstrated).

Manipulating organs is not manipulating emotions + you couldn't answer what I said.