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Chariot190

Chariot190

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  • LaserPrecision
    I wanted to talk about the idea you suggested for Silver, that his AP would be in the Tier 7 range. I consulted someone about it to see if it can be done to upgrade the verse, and they told me that due to the object that Silver crushed not being that big, it would hardly even yield Tier 8 results and that the only reason the Lifting Strength came out that high is because it involved steel which is ridiculously sturdy. An example they gave is a steel ring, very small and doesn't require an absurd amount of energy to destroy, but requires a LOT of 'lifting strength' to crush.
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    LaserPrecision
    LaserPrecision
    Oh, I know that. I just realized as I looked on the source though that both Ultimate Tensile Strength AND Yield vastly vary. What I used was a low end for Tensile strength instead of an average like I normally do. The average for yield is actually higher than the low-end for Ultimate Tensile strength. So it would be an upgrade, but it would've been a downgrade if I instead used the average for ultimate tensile strength.
    LaserPrecision
    LaserPrecision
    I updated the calculation. Wanted to know if you could calculate the AP using the updated result (Hasn't been evaluated yet, but I'm sure it will soon).
    LaserPrecision
    LaserPrecision
    Here's the updated calc. You don't have to calculate the AP for me, because I wouldn't mind doing it, but I would just need to know how to do it as I'm kind of confused about the method. If you can calculate it, that would also be much appreciated, as I could then learn from reference.
    HammerStrikes219
    So on Dio’s Over Heaven Post Absorption key, the weakness mentioned he doesn’t need to physically touch yet in the cutscenes near the end at

    Check around 14:12 to 14:22 mark, we see Jotaro stating that Dio’s ability to activate whenever his fist touches something.


    Also we see Jolyne getting punched at 11:48 when it happens with Reality Overwrite ability I think.

    Can I get your opinion on this? Not a jojo expert, but I have some limited knowledge on the series.
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    HammerStrikes219
    HammerStrikes219
    That is kinda weird, but looking at 1:44, he did tried to punch Jotaro right there with his stand (?). Hell, even the sound and visuals show it to being a punch too.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Well yeah, he punched a hole through him, would require punching, even if some RO was tossed in there.
    But that's beside the point.
    I'm saying it's seemingly both. He sometimes does it with contact, he sometimes does it without. There's examples of both so we have to make do with both, especially as the original raws never made contact a requirement, just that the energy to do so originates from his fist (And I guess we already know he can send that energy and have it home-in on a target, as shown with his corruption aura? I guess that kinda answers that question?).
    He just does both interchangeably, beyond that I can't tell ya much, it's a one-off game with a loose plot that's just meant to be fanservice and has had no further info presented past what's in that single game, we work with what we got. As said, I'm indifferent to how we treat it, but others have concluded that due the existence of Dio doing it from a distance or over a large scale without direct contact, with merely gestures and the like at times, and the lack of an actual statement of contact in the raw, that direct contact is just a eng only thing.
    HammerStrikes219
    HammerStrikes219
    Huh, fair enough for now.
    LoudCloud
    I might make a big post about JoJo soon and certain profiles/content that I think might need revision. But before that I was wondering if I could ask you a few questions just to avoid making incorrect presumptions about how the series is being handled atm.

    1. Are we accepting anime feats now or something? The JoJo profiles here were always meant to stick to manga only, yet we're now using the anime's interpretation of the Silver Chariot-Hanged Man feat for calculating speed. Why is this the case?
    I understand that the original manga is occasionally drawn with some weird size scaling or janky perspectives, but is that really enough reason to treat the anime feats as the de-facto feats instead? I know the anime is considered pretty manga-accurate (compared to other anime), but it's still very obvious that it interprets and sizes things quite differently to the manga. For example, the Dark Blue Moon whirlpool feat seems far bigger in the anime than the manga, so isn't it misleading to use the exaggerated non-canon version of the feat, instead of the actual canon version of the feat (considering the profiles on this site are meant to stick strictly to the source material unless stated otherwise)?

    Speaking of which, is your calc for that whirlpool feat going to be used in profiles too? It's not mentioned in any profiles yet but it's still mentioned in the verse page for some reason. In which case, why would you include the anime's version of the hanged man feat, but not the anime's whirlpool and other anime-only things?

    2. Is RHCP's Large Building feat currently being scaled or compared to any other character/stand or is it just a stand-alone feat for the stand? I got the impression peak (Large Building) Star Platinum had scaled to it due to being "the strongest stand" or whatever, but I might be misremembering it.

    3. Sorry if you've been asked this already. But do you know how I could access scanned pages for all the JoJo guidebooks? Preferably ones pertaining to stands and all that.

    Thank you for your time.
    Bedroombedrock
    Aye wassup baby girl, it's been a while. By the way, what did you think of the recent Alucard vs DIO video Death Battle did? Im not really familiar with the Hellsing Universe so I can't speak on it, but I will say, the AP gap they listed between Alucard and DIO is incredibly sus. Overall though I think I agree with DIO winning. At least they finally got their heads out of their asses and actually properly scaled him and other chars to a MFTL Silver Chariot
    DaReaperMan
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Maybe later, about to go to bed very soon but I'll at least give it a look over or maybe mention some of Kars potential saving graces (though, venom do be kinda op...).

    I'll look it over at least, though just for future reference, not sure how much this matters but that LS shit is "almost" done (******* finally, only took like 3 months), and it's straightforward enough to where I doubt we'd see any controversy, so Kars might be getting a nice hefty LS upgrade sooner or later, if that even helps at all.
    DaReaperMan
    DaReaperMan
    Nice, though I doubt it will, cause they can both pretty easily touch the other to win lol
    KLOL506
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I can maybe help in like, a day or two? Assuming it isn't settled by then. But I'll check it out now at least.

    Though, you'd think Ganon would be a prime example of why that shit is universal.
    KLOL506
    KLOL506
    ABSOLUTELY BASED.

    Also, mind giving a review on my reply to Hellbeast's draft in page 2 here when you get the time? Granted, the draft itself is not complete and there's more we could add but this covers just the bare minimum basics.
    CBslayeR
    I think Jotaro is missing Lifting Strength on his profile straight up
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    He is, why, I do not know, given he had one. And not even that long ago, no idea where it went but it was Athletic Human (Could lift Kak casually), At least Class K, possibly Class M with SP (Could hold up a giant tooth, stronger than Tarkus, etc).

    Dont know where it went or why, but it's not a huge deal, the next CRT we doing is LS thus he'll be getting it back soon enough anyway with a **** ton more feats under his belt, hopefully very soon actually.
    Gohanblanco217
    Hey just wanna ask someone told me that MIH from Jorge Joestar can only reset the planet and the entire universe because "the reset only happen to the Earth and it happened 37 times that's why there's 37 Kars on Mars and why Mars and Kars was ultimately unaffected by events of the time acceleration."

    Is this true??
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    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    Kars is stated dozens of times to have been unaffected because he's the ultimate thing, that's it.
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    Eh..... What does that mean exactly?
    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    I also heard that in the novels there aren't just infinite amount of funny Valentines but also infinite amount of D4C meaning in order to kill him you need to kill every valentine across the multiverse.

    Is that true as well?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Yes, kinda, but that leaves out a **** ton of context.

    There is infinite D4C's, but only via technicality, or more like, an exploitable loophole via the Stand Rule.

    Funny, in the novel only has one D4C, no matter how many universes he goes to he will NEVER find another Funny with D4C.

    Funny's grandson also has D4C, (kinda like how Diego inherited Scary Monsters, his grandson inherited D4C).
    No matter how much he looks, he will NEVER find another The with D4C. 9Yes, The, his name is ******* "The").

    But there's a loophole, they'll never find themselves with a D4C, but they CAN find the other with D4C.

    So what they do is Funny goes through universes finding his grandson who has D4C, and The goes through universes finding Funny with D4C.
    So it ends up with a handful of Funny's and The's all with their own D4C.

    It's a weird loophole Stand rule for Novel D4C that they managed exploitation.

    But this doesn't grant them any actual benefits because while there's multiple D4C's, they're technically separate entities and don't have the weird immortality thing going on, or well, they do but it's weird. But no ya don't need to kill every D4C in existence to kill the host of a single Novel D4C (Though if you leave said single D4C alive, he'll always just go body hop to an alternate host ad infinitum).
    KingTempest
    Hey Chariot!

    Sorry to bother you, I know you're extremely busy.

    Just found this


    Jojo 6251 pdf in HD

    Didn't know if you needed it or not
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Appreciate it mate though I've known about that for awhile, own a copy myself.

    Though you did remind me so I went through it collecting fate relevant scans (Mostly Tonpetty and Will given it covers Part 1-2, unlike every other guide).
    There's definitely some interesting info in there overall though, notable one includes this scan (second one), and a few other tidbits here and there.

    In case you're interested, it's coming out in english soon too.
    KingTempest
    KingTempest
    Gotcha, nice to know!

    And that's cool to hear btw. Support for his AP rating, though there might be conflicting scans below (which might just be contradicted by the manga, but w/e)

    And if it's coming out in english that'd be dope. Wouldn't have to translate every 5 seconds lol.

    This thread here (Spacebattles) had some translations for Crazy Diamond from a different databook.

    スタープラチナを上回るほどの強大パワーを秘めている
    It hides mighty power exceeding that of Star Platinum.

    パワー&スピードは射程距離に正比例するルール通り、クレイジーダイヤモンドもスタープラチナに迫るスピードをもつ。
    Following the rule that power and speed are proportional to attack range, Crazy Diamond also possesses speed approaching that of Star Platinum.
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    So basically superior in AP but slightly inferior in speed.

    Maybe the "hides mighty power" could be for his enraged state?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I've had some lads take a look at that, we'd probably use that if it wasn't retconned by JoJoveller which states that enraged CD is only coming close to SP and not yet surpasses him. (Actually it's kinda annoying, first guide states they're about equal in power, second guide (JoJoaGoGo) states that while CD isn't as strong as SP he does hide power that surpasses him and then the third guide backpedals and is like nah, he's almost as strong while enraged which boosts him drastically. CD's stance on the tier list keeps getting changed and it's entirely on Araki being wish-washy with it).

    Also that speed line is referring to when CD is right up next to Josuke (Specifically when RHCP asks him to get as close as possible so he could try and punch as fast as SP, which is clarified in JoJoveller a bit more to be CD hits FTL and surpasses RHCP's speed as his speed increases the closer he is to Josuke though only in that circumstances can CD surpass RHCP in speed and blitz him, but the further he strays, the slower he gets to where the opposite happens and RHCP blitzes him instead).

    That applies to all power-types fyi, CD isn't even the main example, The World is, most power types should have statistic amp/reduction based on how close or far they are from the main body (plan on doing a quick crt for that eventually), as the difference in output can be drastic, we're talking dozens of times in some cases for speed and power output (Plus a few others like Whitesnake who's not a power-type but is stated to follow that rule too).
    TauanVictor
    Hi Chariot, how are you?

    Well, I recently performed a matchup involving two characters from JoJo, who just joined Grace. However, I think your opinion would be very much needed, not only because you are well versed in the verse, but it would also be interesting to add something more to the debate.

    Here is the matchup. Could you contribute?

    Thank you very much in advance.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Sorry was busy and still am. But for what it's worth, while I don't exactly agree with how the conclusion came to be, I do think the end result is accurate, even if for the wrong reasons.
    Shey
    Hey, Question do you have the JoJoVeller scan for GER that says Future actions won’t come to pass
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    It doesn't say that exactly but yeah, i do, I'll post the handful of them on break later.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190


    Well here's King Crimson at least, had that saved, gonna need to wait on GER till I'm home, unless I can find my album of it in the DMs.

    Here. The last bit could be taken as that or part of the RTZ nullification, I'll see if I can get Redgrave to translate it for me accurately.
    Shey
    Shey
    Oksy
    Thanks a lot
    DaReaperMan
    414,373,656 is my FGO friend code.

    My zerkalot is only level 60 so don't expect miracles or anything lol
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    DaReaperMan
    DaReaperMan
    He's one of those 3 stars that's just really damn good, F/SN Cu is another. Though I wonder why you wanted to friend me just because I have Zerkalot...
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Because I felt like adding you. It had nothing to do with Zerkalot, I have him too, I use him and Raikou to do hands.
    DaReaperMan
    DaReaperMan
    Well, I've grabbed Gilgamesh!
    Gohanblanco217
    I heard that GER causality hax only works against actions that can harm Giorno..... Is this true?
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    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    But then why GER didn't negate Diavolo Time erasure right of the bat? Especially when RTZ has infinite speed
    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    There is also someone who told me this in a debate :

    "It is not stated that GER manipulate the cause of and effects . The manipulation of causality is deciding how, when and where it happens, GER's is more limited to manipulating time to a degree of that specific users action to where it never occurred, it's manipulating actions to a smaller degree than what you can consider causality manipulation. We are only told he reverts actions, not him manipulating how, when and where the cause and effect manipulation occurs. What would supplement him having true causality manipulation is him changing his future, when/where and how."
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Because GER couldn't take action? That automatic part had to come into play there.

    Whoever told you that is kind of full of it. Especially because we know he can change his future, JoJoveller outright says that future actions will never come to pass against GER, which is why Epitaph was giving false readings.
    And it most certainly isn't time manip, I mean, the very fact GER RTZ'd King Crimson and time skip literally proves it has **** all to do with time manip, you can't manipulate time when it doesn't exist. Let alone the completely lack of time. This should be obvious tbh.

    Also that isn't even true, you can still have causality manip and only effect cause and effect in a certain way in the same way you can have time manip and not control and have literally every single time based power ever.
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    Kisaragi_Megumi
    Question: Does Act 4 Johnny have a chance against an opponents who are higher than him AP-Wise? (Tier 7 and 6)
    Gohanblanco217
    I heard someone saying that Kira bombs were stated to work on a cellular level Can you send me a scan for where Kira bombs (killer queen) was stated to destroy you on a cellular/molecular level?
    Kisaragi_Megumi
    Hey man, are you alright now after went throught the drama you got? Sorry if this is outta nowhere?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    What? Yeah I'm fine.
    h̶o̶n̶e̶s̶t̶l̶y̶ ̶I̶'̶m̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶p̶r̶i̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶e̶v̶o̶l̶v̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶d̶i̶d̶,̶ ̶n̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶d̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶ ̶
    But yeah, I'm fine, not much different than how I normally am 🤷‍♂️
    Thanks for asking though.
    Kisaragi_Megumi
    Kisaragi_Megumi
    Good to heard that

    An unexpected consequence, isn't it?

    I'm planned to have session with you but seeing you're fine now made me feels relief, but still i wanted to say: be careful next time
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Tbh didn't even think people thought that word is as bad it allegedly is, comparable to "****" imo, and given I use that even in normal convos...
    But if people feel strongly about that one in particular, obviously gonna have to make note not to use it again.

    Don't know what you mean by "session" but yeah I'm fine, that's over and done with, no real hard feelings for anything involved at that, shit happens, it's done and there's more important things to do.
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