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Chariot190

Chariot190

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  • CBslayeR
    Question about Jojo speed scaling, Why doesn't enraged Josuke scale to Jotaro? He was fast and strong enough to force Jotaro to use time stop for the first time in forever, and he even tagged him judging by how his hat was hit by Josuke's restoration. It seems like he should just downscale
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    CBslayeR
    CBslayeR
    Honestly just use the anime clip, works well enough. Jolyne might need it too since hers doesn't have the -MFTL part either
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    We want actual statements and hard evidence. The anime clip by itself could just be dismissed as Jotaro being taken off guard, which he was, but other material puts pissed CD up there with him anyway and elaborates on that scene and their comparability. The scene by itself is evidence but not solid.

    Jolyne, well. Cherish that at most brother...
    CBslayeR
    CBslayeR
    Can't believe KC blitzes Part 6 Jotaro...
    Damage3245
    Hey there. I'm giving you permission to comment on the Marksmanship Ability Page Creation thread.
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    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Meh, preferring policing posts afterwards is fair enough, but comes with its own slew of issues.

    Particularly, being away while people derail, needing to handle it later, but not having that be considered a violation of anything. People can always say they thought their unhelpful posts were helpful, and/or that they had to respond, if we only police this sorta thing afterwards. But if we say beforehand "You can't post without permission", people don't really have that sort of plausible deniability.

    Plus, I think that sorta thing lends itself to greater accusations of bias. Hell, I think it more enables staff to be biased. Either selectively enforcing it on purpose, or just not having something meet a conscious level of being deletion-worthy unless it comes from someone you don't like. "Did a staff member say you could comment this" is pretty objective, "Is this post helpful" is less so.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Particularly, being away while people derail
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    Most of your alternatives have the same issue, not everyone is always gonna be available for there to be a bunch of middlemen or OP or whatever.
    Except in this case, it's not "these staff have to be active on a 3rd party site or OP and also have to be available to listen to yu and parrot what you said", but rather they just have to be on the forum and lurking the thread.
    but not having that be considered a violation of anything.
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    Doesn't need to be.
    People can always say they thought their unhelpful posts were helpful,
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    Perhaps, but so what? That already happens, nothing changes.
    and/or that they had to respond
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    Probably did, otherwise why bother?
    But if we say beforehand "You can't post without permission", people don't really have that sort of plausible deniability.
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    What part of "if generally given the ok" was missed here?
    I'm fine with lads needing permission in general, what I have issue with is the "needing permission for every post" given how absolutely asinine, and how much pestering of dudes that leads to, all your alternatives have way too many cons over positives, is overall just a nuisance for everyone involved, and the very fact that you can, in fact, police it afterward and are doing that same thing either way, such a thing requiring less effort than the alternatives as well and always being able to go "yeah ok, you derailing now" or whatever, well tbh idk, I legitimately can't think of any situation beyond the most egregious ones where there's more positives than negatives.
    Plus, I think that sorta thing lends itself to greater accusations of bias.
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    Dude, it is biased, both are. No getting around it, it literally comes down to if a dude with a fancy title says "yeah" or "nope", and you know goddamn well some staff, not gonna point any fingers, absolutely skirt that edge.
    Hell, I think it more enables staff to be biased. Either selectively enforcing it on purpose, or just not having something meet a conscious level of being deletion-worthy unless it comes from someone you don't like.
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    Multiple staff exist, just use common sense here.
    And my dude, that last one already happens.
    "Did a staff member say you could comment this" is pretty objective, "Is this post helpful" is less so.
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    Except "Did a staff member say you can post this", is LITERALLY the same thing with an extra step that ultimately doesn't change the point you just tried to make.
    The staff is only going to say you can post it if they think what you're saying is helpful. Your point here applies either way, either a staff personally thinks it's helpful and says ok post that, or a staff doesn't think it's helpful and tells you to **** off and you're derailing after the fact.
    Either way you go about it, it all comes down to something that could easily be accused of bias from staff so I'm not sure that's the best point you could be making here, it's applicable either way you go about it.

    Also I hope you understand I'm talking under the assumption that were given a general ok from staff in the first place 🗿
    Also again, why are you going on about this? I thought I made it quite clear I think your reasoning isn't sound but it's useless to argue about it.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Also I hope you understand I'm talking under the assumption that were given a general ok from staff in the first place

    Ah okay, I misunderstood. Thought it was mainly about being knowledgeable with the verse and/or having helped work on the thread, with the permission from staff being an additional step you could take or leave.
    DaReaperMan
    So chariot, got any 7-As, high-end 6-As or low-end 5-Bs?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Yes, but they cooking.
    Bloodstained dudes I think are 7-A tho and they need some matches That actually reminds me, I have like two near finished profiles for two Bloodstained dudes I could drop, one even has Imm speed
    DaReaperMan
    DaReaperMan
    Want a shopping list of 7-As to maybe make matches with? Lol
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I don't do matches.
    The only matches I plan on doing are like Baoh post upgrade which is done, I just gotta make a Walken profile so i dont have t double up on CRT's Vs. Batman (Probably Arkham), or Joubin (Beetles only) vs Olimar & Pikmin (This is very epic, trust me).

    If others make matches cool, but I don't cant be given shit for making bad matches if i dont make any at all
    ZetsuEarly0
    Hey chariot hello, I have something on my mind for a long time. You said Return to Zero is 4D on a CRT. Can you explain this to me in detail and by sending a photo? Thank you very much if you have time to reply.
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    ZetsuEarly0
    ZetsuEarly0
    Thank you very much for writing. It's starting to make sense to me. It would be better if you put the albums and pictures. Is this accepted in VSBW. You can write at a convenient time. Have a nice day.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    It is accepted and has been since even before I joined, we just don't rate AP for hax anymore (But that's why he used to be High 3-A, and low 2-C before even that), hence why it was removed, it's not an offensive ability, it's basically just a "no u" type thing that has some fucky levels of potency and AOE.
    I guess I'll dump some imgur albums here when I have time if you want them.
    ZetsuEarly0
    ZetsuEarly0
    I understand, thank you very much, if you can post the albums and photos, if you are available. I've been dealing with jojo for almost 3 years, I still don't understand this issue, thanks for clarifying.
    Gohanblanco217
    Can you show me where Dio (Heaven Ascension) can stop time and by how much ?
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I looked at profile, it's mid af, I'm just gonna overhaul it when I have the time instead.
    So make do with this shitty comp i got off yt for the time being
    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    Thanks but I really can't tell if he's teleporting or stop time honestly
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    It's time stop
    I could explain why, but just open it and turn audio on, way more straightforward than me explaining
    HammerStrikes219
    Thread '“Goddamn it Giorno, I trusted you! **** you and **** your dream!”(Giorno Giovanna vs Isaac Clarke)'
    https://vsbattles.com/threads/godda...dream-giorno-giovanna-vs-isaac-clarke.154613/

    Seems like some clarification is needed for Giorno at least.
    Gohanblanco217
    honestly shouldn't every stand have limited type 4 immortality and resurrection scaling to Jotaro who can do this and this
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    No?
    Jotaro didn't die, he just lost conscious.
    And Joseph did die, but all he did was jump start his heart, and the doctors did the rest with a blood transfusion.

    This type of logic would give a defibrillator res or immortality, or a normal person doing CPR res.
    DaReaperMan
    Hey Chariot, got any 7-As, high-end 6-As, or 5-Bs?
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    DaReaperMan
    DaReaperMan
    Like, the dudes I'm on about are 2 Petatons and have a +
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    So im assuming 600 petatons is a bit much?
    I have dudes that fit the other tiers, they just aren't published or finished cooking like some Bloodstained, Zelda, Elden, and niche indie shit and random novel jojo dude. So I don't have much to recommend for those specific categories beyond the obvious lol Goku or other popular lads.
    DaReaperMan
    DaReaperMan
    Makes sense, looks like I'm gonna have to find something else to throw folks like Garrosh Hellscream and Kel'Thuzad at
    Gohanblanco217
    I tried to ask this question to the new Google AI (Brad) and here's the response :
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    You think it's accurate ?
    Gohanblanco217
    In Pucci profile it says that his destructive power varies via time acceleration but then does that mean that if he's speed hits infinite then the moving objects will have infinite kinetic force ?
    Gohanblanco217
    do part 7 and 8 exist in jojo because of Pucci universe reset ?
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    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    8930892-img_20230503_194833.png


    Well if I'm reading the scan correctly :
    ".....the only thing that there is the explosive spin but because of that they can cross through anything..."

    Doesn't that implies that the reason why it destroy everything in it's path is because of the explosive ability rather than it being a void ?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Go Beyond does in fact have "Explosive Spin" imbued with it yeah, in fact, it's a void that has the spin, but it's still not the same thing as the explosive bubbles Josuke shoots out of his fingers or filled the room against WoU as those ones still use actual bubbles while Go Beyond's defining feature is that it doesn't use anything.

    That's actually why it can bypass the Calamity bullshit, as Spin can bypass Calamity, it surpasses the logic of the world or whatever, but unfortunately the things Spin is imbued with or used as a conduit do not, so they still get ****** by Calamity.
    (For example, if Gyro or Johnny used Spin steel balls or Nails, the Spin itself would likely be fine and ignore Calamity, but because it uses a conduit of a steel ball and nail, which do not ignore calamity, the attacks will still get ******.) This applies to Josuke's other spin attacks as they still use a physical bubble which is why only Go Beyond, the void one that doesn't exist could hit Toru/WoU, as the Spin's conduit was quite LITERALLY nothing.
    Basically, Go Beyond is a void, with Spin.
    As stated, well, right here


    Go Beyond is lines that are infinitely thin to where they become 0 lines, and because they don't exist all that's left is pure spin.


    Which again, are not the same thing as Josuke shoots from his fingertips as said here by Mamezuku.
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    Meh translation from before they knew what the **** was going on they even apologized for it, the translators didnt realize it was two different things at the time.
    I haven't updated the profile with newer ones tho, tehy didn't exist at the time of writing
    "That" isn't talking about the fact it's just explosive spin, "That" is the whole of it, being "they do not exist, and they're just spin, so they can go through whatever the **** they want". That isn't a property of the Spin, but rather the property of the whole thing he just said (The pass-through anything part is due to them not existing, the transcending calamity part is due to spin), the Spin's contribution is the resistance to law/fate/luck/whatever WOU is cooking manip (Also the fact it can explode, sever curses, etc but whatever you get me).


    It's why both "Something that does not exist in this world" and "Explosive Spin" are highlighted, he's referring to the combination of them as to why it can do all the funny meme shit it does.



    Also here's another example of Go Beyond alt+deleting shit it passes through, though you probably noticed it already.
    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    LuffyRuffy46307
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I'll look in a bit, but I know **** all about SS beyond when that shit was called knights of zodiac and aired on tv, and that one season with the good op.
    So my opinion will just be what I glance at from the scans given so it might not be perfect.
    I think Matthew was a big SS goon, you could call in him, but he's inactive most of the time.
    LuffyRuffy46307
    LuffyRuffy46307
    Hehehe, we have an experienced member, here in Brazil he was called knights of the zodiacs too, laughing to this day.
    Bobsican
    Stand Verse-Specific P&A concerns
    Please come here
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    What am I looking at? I don't quite get what I'm supposed to do in regards to that thread?
    Bobsican
    Bobsican
    Just post your thoughts on the brought up concerns of it.
    Gohanblanco217
    Sorry for bothering you but I wanna ask you something about Johnny joestar profile, it says that the infinite rotation can bfr people based on this but how is this BFR exactly? All I'm seeing is valentine suffocating to death.... that's all
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Not really elaborated on in those examples, or at least not clarified, but the Infinite Rotation deconstructs you down to at least a cellular level, and the pieces then get sucked into an alternate dimension until nothing is left of you in this world.

    Funny gets sucked underground, but after he's done being torn apart the remnants will be sent to an alternate dimension (As Johnny says, after he died, he got sent to an alternate dimension).
    And the same with the girls, once broken apart, the pieces get sent away.

    The dimension in question isn't specified but it's not that hard to figure out, based on what we know about Tusk, it's probably the gap between dimensions (as in the gap between universes), or the gap between dimensions (mathematical this time; that johnny can reach when an object spirals down toward infinity).
    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    Well....do you have an other clear cut scan showing valentine being BFR'd due to the infinite rotation ? Also does the BFR only work after it kills you ?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Not really. Act 4 was only ever used in two fights. We just know it happens because it's explicitly stated to happen multiple times, those struck by Act 4 eventually break down and get sent to an alternate dimension. Assuming it's working on the same basis as Act 3, I have some scans of that though in how that works.

    The BFR isn't tied to killing you, it's tied to the deconstruction. The bits that it breaks you down into get sent into an alternate dimension. If, for some reason, you could survive as tiny minuscule bits of yourself, there'd be no reason why you wouldn't get BFR'd, but it's not like Act 4 touches you and sends you away instantly, it's a byproduct of breaking apart. It's less about killing and more about being broken apart.
    ExSENNA
    Yo Chariot wassup, recall me? You helped me make the page of Sports Maxx some eons back 3 years ago lol. How u doin?
    Popted2
    Hey Chariot can you reply to these 2 VS threads if its not a problem?

    www.vsbattles.com

    Commander Shepard vs Joseph Joestar

    https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Commander_Shepard#Biotic_Abilities https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Joseph_Joestar?so=search post training joseph adept class speed equalized whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo would win
    www.vsbattles.com www.vsbattles.com


    www.vsbattles.com

    Joseph Joestar vs Aspiring Champion

    Both are High 8-C Aspiring Champion has the Mark of Nurgle Speeds equalized SBA otherwise Joseph Joestar Aspiring Champion
    www.vsbattles.com www.vsbattles.com
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Already did, the speed is the more impressive part, did a full swing in the time it moved literally 4 pixels.
    I have a Part 6 overhaul cooking. Calcwise there's only two calcs left to do, DD stopping that bottle from crushing Annasui is one, especially because it's directly stated that the Stand's strength decreases in direct proportion to the height decrease, aka DD stopping the bottle would scale to him as if he stopped a bottle that big at normal height.

    Got about 16 tons for LS, about Class 25 but I need to iron it first.
    is what I would say, but I got distracted and started doing RE4, Batman and Part 3 overhauls since, Ill finish the Part 6 stuff up eventually.
    LiveElvinClive
    Feel free to send me a link when they’re posted.
    DaReaperMan
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Should've asked sooner, was already asked to deal with a Kars matchup today and that's not including the past like 4-5 matches ive been asked to **** with in the past 24h, i dont even **** with half those verses, I can't juggle all my time on vs matches because they suck
    If I have free time later I might check it out but I got some other stuff to do today, so I guess just depends on the mood later.
    also that ****** has a wall of text with spooky sounding names like death hax and BFR, idk what you're cooking
    DaReaperMan
    DaReaperMan
    All right lol, as long as I can have a Trazyn debate at some point I'm happy lol
    Arnoldstone18
    Yooo
    What translators do you use for your revisions?
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    The Cross symbol though is "10" btw. And then it gets an added prefix for how many or following numbers iirc.

    See that a lot in JoJo saying things like "tens of meters".



    The last symbol is times and the first symbol is the prefix.



    It just means "several (multiples amounts of) tens of times", though it's usually translated to mean dozens of times, but if you wanna be anal about it, it's several tens iirc. Love Deluxe had the same kanji for her range so I already went through this.
    Arnoldstone18
    Arnoldstone18
    Ahhh nice, I see. Thank you!

    Arc translated it to many tens of times. The opposition to my thread translates it to dozens of times and doesn’t look like he cares about other translations.

    Which did you go with for Love Deluxe?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I just went with the minimum of "Tens of Meters" given it's just range and the wiki has a "Tens of Meters" rating.

    If you wanna get hyper literal. It's saying there's a multiple set of tens. It isn't exactly several, many, dozens, etc, it's just saying it is a multiple set of tens. Could be 20, could even be 90. Though tbh I'd personally go with 30m as a low end given if it was 20, there's other words they could've used instead.

    In the case of JoJo it's been used for stands with 20-30m range (googoo dolls), and stands with range nearly 100m (aqua necklace, surface) and somewhere in the middle (love deluxe). It's a bit vague but it's probably intentionally vague on purpose to give a bit of leeway..
    Aachintya31
    BDT qualifies for Low 2-C i guess. I made a thread regarding guidelines. Destroying a finite space-time is Low 2-C.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Gotcha, if it goes through I'll tack an update onto my next CRT.
    Aachintya31
    Aachintya31
    Well DT said its all covered under additional criteria of Low 2-C. So you can go ahead and upgrade accordingly.
    Peppersalt43
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Not bothering with the former till Zerk CRT, he's way to outdated.
    Latter, I've been following it, the last few posts have just been Bambu talking about leaks or something, nothing new has happened for me to post.
    Peppersalt43
    Peppersalt43
    Oh, I also gave clarification on what my last post meant. Just to be clear
    TheGod
    you up for a convo?
    TheGod
    TheGod
    is there any canon proof that GER was not active during Part 6 events, if not how did GER not counter Pucci MiH?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    It's ambiguous and vague, it could have been active, it could not have been active, we do not know, and we will never know.
    MIH is totally harmless to people anyway so RTZ wouldn't have activated automatically, for the same reason why it ain't activating automatically every Jotaro across the planet stops time, or why it didn't activate against time skip until Diavolo actually attempted to do something that would've resulted in harming Gio. People can still do things, it's only when those things will result in hurtful or detrimental effects against Gio that they end up getting nullified.
    The actual answer is because it'd be ******* stupid to have a dude from the last arc just show up in like the final chapter, kill the main villain, and **** off, it's stupid from a narrative point of view and Araki puts the story above random powerscaling bullshit any day
    I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die
    Hey Chariot, I am trying to get into JoJo, but I don't know where to start.

    Should I start with the Anime, or should I start with the manga?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Anime for part 1, anime for part 2, manga for part 3, manga for part 4, anime for part 5, manga for part 6

    Some seasons better than others, part 1 anime has cut content from the manga, but it's short and what is there is close enough, part 2 anime is based tho. Part 3 anime is exceptionally bad, awful pacing, to give an idea, Part 4/5/6 all have 38 episodes while Part 3 has 48 episodes, despite the fact it's like 35% shorter than all of them in the manga, they extended arcs and made it draw on. Just go with manga.
    Part 4 anime idk, theyre kinda even, like manga though.

    Part 5 anime is basically a perfect adaptation, best season.

    Part 6 anime is dogshit, like it's bad part 6 manga is mid af too but shrug

    Though when it comes to the manga, it's mostly fan translations so it isn't perfect, and I've found that out the hard way, which is why I've combed over the raws for CRT's because a lot of lines get tweaked but, for reading purposes instead of battle boarding bullshit? It's totally sufficient.

    I'd also recommend reading Another Day once you finish Part 4, Purple Haze Feedback once you finish Part 5, GioGio 2 once you finish Clash and Talking head, and Crazy Diamond's Demonic Heartbreak for spinoff material (before you start part 4).

    Part 7 is a soft reboot and takes place in an alternate world it's also the best part by a hilarious amount and has actual decent writing
    Part 8 is a direct sequel as direct as taking place 110 years later can be anyway
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