The End All Be All of Fire Force Revision Threads!

[PrinceofPein]

In other words, how do we know Adolla is merging with space and time? It’s because Adolla’s merger is causing tears in space to occur

How exactly does this mean merging with space and time?
Like causing a side of the earth to be unreachable due to it been adolla plane, means they share the same physical space to begin with.
And do you understand by what they mean merging of space or time?
In fact where was any universal merging said to happen or shown to happen?
Also we see the size of adolla, it is not universal in size.
The only universal thing that may have occured is reality warping that changed the art style.
aside that there is nothing remotely close.

 

[Dalesean027]

The only universal thing that may have occured is reality warping that changed the art style.
aside that there is nothing remotely close.

pi being solvable

 

[PrinceofPein]

pi being solvable

That is CM

 

[Alexander]

That is CM

CM is literraly in the range of universal

 

[PrinceofPein]

CM is literraly in the range of universal

CM has nothing to do with range now anyway.
And any range can get you CM which is why Pi becoming solvable is type 3.
It does not govern any of the reality and it's not independent

But the Pi contention is another thread

 

[Alexander]

CM has nothing to do with range now anyway.
And any range can get you CM which is why Pi becoming solvable is type 3.
It does not govern any of the reality and it's not independent

But the Pi contention is another thread

yeah ok whatever,still the stars change

 

[InfiniteDay]

CM has nothing to do with range now anyway.

It's not CM, it's Mathematics Manipulation. PI is a universal term, changing PI affects the whole universe. Saying manipulating Pi is not a "universal" change is willful ignorance. It's a universal change, you know this as well as everyone here does.

 

[PrinceofPein]

yeah ok whatever,still the stars change

Reality warping not that I agree with it

It's not CM, it's Mathematics Manipulation. PI is a universal term, changing PI affects the whole universe. Saying manipulating Pi is not a "universal" change is willful ignorance. It's a universal change, you know this as well as everyone here does.

Please read to context anytime you are trying to make a point.
We are talking about things that can scale to AP.
Also it can fall under CM.
No one not once did I say it is not a universal change.
Read to context, like I never said anything about it not been a universal change.
I made point about it not being type 1 CM anyway since so many people have called it type 1 CM.

Please and please read properly next time

 

[InfiniteDay]

Please read to context anytime you are trying to make a point.
We are talking about things that can scale to AP.
Also it can fall under CM.
No one not once did I say it is not a universal change.
Read to context, like I never said anything about it not been a universal change.
I made point about it not being type 1 CM anyway since so many people have called it type 1 CM.

Please and please read properly next time

In your last post, you said:

"CM has nothing to do with range now anyway.
And any range can get you CM which is why Pi becoming solvable is type 3."

You specifically noted that CM supposedly had nothing to do with range, which is where my contention comes in. Don't backtrack and say you were talking about AP, when not a single thing in your post does. And nobody had been talking about type 1 CM anyways, so why even mention it?

Anyways this is derailing the discussion at hand, I'll drop it here.

Edit: You also said "Pi doesn't govern reality", when in fact it literally governs the ratio of a circle's' circumference to diameter, which would be a universal change and as such govern part of reality. I just felt the need to mention this it, but whatever.

 

[PrinceofPein]

In your last post, you said:

"CM has nothing to do with range now anyway.
And any range can get you CM which is why Pi becoming solvable is type 3."

You specifically noted that CM supposedly had nothing to do with range, which is where my contention comes in. Don't backtrack and say you were talking about AP, when not a single thing in your post does. And nobody had been talking about type 1 CM anyways, so why even mention it?

Anyways this is derailing the discussion at hand, I'll drop it here.

CM has nothing to do with range means CM has nothing to do with range.
That is the current guideline.

And the post I first tagged was replying to a post about scaling adolla to AP, and I made a point that the reality warping are that and don't scale AP.
Then someone mentioned CM
And I replied. And also handled the fact that so many people consider that CM of Pi type 1.

Do you see why it is good to read to context?

Yes it is derailing.

My point is, you cannot scale CM, reality warping or mathematics manipulation to AP.

Context is King - KLOL 2022

Edit: You also said "Pi doesn't govern reality", when in fact it literally governs the ratio of a circle's' circumference to diameter, which would be a universal change and as such govern part of reality. I just felt the need to mention this it, but whatever.

Just need to address this.
First the reason why Pi is unsolvable is because in theory it continues infinitely.
What happened in fire force was making it possible to solve pi without an infinite decimal numbers behind it
And changing Pi from anything 3.14........ means circles will cease to exist
The fact that circles still exists in FF means that Pi did not affect anything universally.
Neither did Circles change, we still have circles.

 

[Maitreya12]

How exactly does this mean merging with space and time?

Because Adolla itself carries “time” as one of the ideas inside of it including the very history of mankind and its despair. Adolla itself carries the past and the history of the world with it so merging the real world and the world of Adolla directly mixes up the concepts between the people of the real world and the people of the past.

Hence you’re merging with time as Adolla itself embodies time and the past history of mankind.

Like causing a side of the earth to be unreachable due to it been adolla plane, means they share the same physical space to begin with.

This was only done after the first cataclysm failed you understand that right? And no a tear directly in space that you cannot reach the other side of directly means separate physical spaces to begin with. The fact that space itself was being teared when Adolla was merging with the real world in the first place indicates they’re separate physical spaces and the fact that they continue to remain separated due to the failing of the merger further cements that notion.

And do you understand by what they mean merging of space or time?
In fact where was any universal merging said to happen or shown to happen?
Also we see the size of adolla, it is not universal in size.

We never see the full size of Adolla that is not true.

Oh and we also directly see that one of the very concepts and ideas that make up Adolla itself is “the world”. Literally the very concepts and idea of “the world” is what is one of the concepts that make up Adolla.

The only universal thing that may have occured is reality warping that changed the art style.
aside that there is nothing remotely close.

Which means Adolla merged with the universe because Adolla’s reality warping is only done by merging with the real world. What is being reality warped is what Adolla is merging with.

Also Adolla directly warped the stars as well

 

[PrinceofPein]

Because Adolla itself carries “time” as one of the ideas inside of it including the very history of mankind and its despair. Adolla itself carries the past and the history of the world with it so merging the real world and the world of Adolla directly mixes up the concepts between the people of the real world and the people of the past.

Hence you’re merging with time as Adolla itself embodies time and the past history of mankind.

Huh?? I am baffled
Knowing history of mankind means jack about merging across all of time
Let me tone it down for you.
To merge across all of time.
You need to merge
Point 0 from A and B together and point 1, point 2,3..... Infinite.
Each point been a moment in time.
That happened
Knowing history or containing history of mankind means jack here.
Has it is simply incorporating concepts of world of the past into the presents
Merging of time is a whole different scenario

This was only done after the first cataclysm failed you understand that right? And no a tear directly in space that you cannot reach the other side of directly means separate physical spaces to begin with. The fact that space itself was being teared when Adolla was merging with the real world in the first place indicates they’re separate physical spaces and the fact that they continue to remain separated due to the failing of the merger further cements that notion.

Can you show a scan of space been torn during a merge.
We know nothing about the space in between aside from the fact that the evangelist came from there.
Infact this entire universal merging thing is head canon
We have statements and visual and a complete cataclysm and all that happened was earth burning.

We never see the full size of Adolla that is not true.

We did beside earth.
You know the eye with eight legs
And we have a literal statement "this world and adolla have become one"

Oh and we also directly see that one of the very concepts and ideas that make up Adolla itself is “the world”. Literally the very concepts and idea of “the world” is what is one of the concepts that make up Adolla.

Okay this is obvious adolla shapes the world based on what majority thinks

Which means Adolla merged with the universe because Adolla’s reality warping is only done by merging with the real world. What is being reality warped is what Adolla is merging with.

Adolla has to do with reality warping? yes and CM? Yes
You have still not told me how CM and RW scales to AP

Also Adolla directly warped the stars as well

Nice bait.

 

[Deceived3596]

I'm decently sure that making Pi solvable wouldn't cause circles to stop existing, just because you warp the constant doesn't mean the objects generated by it can't still exist since the formula itself still exist, it's just warped. If Adolla erased Pi from existence but circles still existed then that could be evidence for your claim, but the existence of circles themselves wouldn't be innate counter evidence to Pi being universally effected by Adolla from my knowledge. Especially since it's done through Mathematics Manipulation, an ability which can literally manipulate mathematical constants like Pi without inherently causing certain structures or geometry to stop existing.

Maybe someone more knowledgeable about this subject can weigh in, but in my current opinion, that doesn't seem to be a good counter to Adolla effecting Pi in its entirety tbh.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I'm decently sure that making Pi solvable wouldn't cause circles to stop existing, just because you warp the constant doesn't mean the objects generated by it can't still exist since the formula itself still exist, it's just warped. If Adolla erased Pi from existence but circles still existed then that could be evidence for your claim, but the existence of circles themselves wouldn't be innate counter evidence to Pi being universally effected by Adolla from my knowledge. Especially since it's done through Mathematics Manipulation, an ability which can literally manipulate mathematical constants like Pi without inherently causing certain structures or geometry to stop existing.

Maybe someone more knowledgeable about this subject can weigh in, but in my current opinion, that doesn't seem to be a good counter to Adolla effecting Pi in its entirety tbh.

I will answer this simply if Pi is not 3.14...... then Circles will no longer be Circles
does that answer your question? cause If Pi wasn't 3.1415....., circles will not exist. Pi is part a major part of the circle if the number was different it will not be a circle.
And my point is the same as FF, Pi was not changed but solved.
Like I already said, Pi theoretically has uncountable/endless numbers behind the point because no one is smart enough on earth to solve it to an end, FF made it so the numbers has a end.
So Pi was not changed from 3.14........ it was simply given an end. Pi is still Pi.
Frankly, You did not address or disprove anything I said above.
Affecting Pi in its entirety, is changing the number completely, hence circles stops existing.

Edit: I should add that the reason why it can be classified under CM is that, Pi is not simply a number but a ratio. Think of the fibonacci sequences, they make up everything in the universe i.e. fractals, and they are simply ratios, affecting the fibonacci sequences would not just be Mathematical manipulation but Cm same should be for Pi also since it is also ratio

 

[Deceived3596]

I will answer this simply if Pi is 3.14...... then Circles will no longer be Circles
does that answer your question? cause If Pi wasn't 3.1415....., circles will not exist. Pi is part a major part of the circle if the number was different it will not be a circle.
And my point is the same as FF, Pi was not changed but solved.
Like I already said, Pi theoretically has uncountable/endless numbers behind the point because no one is smart enough on earth to solve it to an end, FF made it so the numbers has a end.
So Pi was not changed from 3.14........ it was simply given an end. Pi is still Pi.
Frankly, You did not address or disprove anything I said above.
Affecting Pi in its entirety, is changing the number completely, hence circles stops existing.

If Pi, an endless string of numbers which go on ad nauseam, and such can't be logically solved, becomes solvable then the Pi was innately warped because it became solvable. It's necessarily so.

I'm not claiming that Pi became an entirely different set of numbers, i'm saying the existence of circles isn't an inherent counter to Pi, as in the universal constant, becoming solvable because of a plethora of probable reasons, one such reason could be that "circles", within this context, wouldn't necessarily need to have that specific string of numbers since Pi, and physics itself, was warped by Adolla. It's entirely possible, and internally consistent, that objects which are visually similar to circles don't necessarily have the same ratio as circles usually have. It would explain the existence of objects which look like, and/or called circles but aren't actually "circles" ratio-wise. It could be that through some esoteric ability, Adolla's capable of manipulating mathematical constants without changing the ratio itself in relation to that which it defines. Leaving that structure, object, or shape untouched visually or mathematically.

If you can't reconcile why these possibilities aren't probable, aren't logically consistent or are more assumptive compared to your claim then you need to concede the point since you'd be arguing from a more assumptive, and less logically consistent stance.

Edit: I should add that the reason why it can be classified under CM is that, Pi is not simply a number but a ratio. Think of the fibonacci sequences, they make up everything in the universe i.e. fractals, and they are simply ratios, affecting the fibonacci sequences would not just be Mathematical manipulation but Cm same should be for Pi also since it is also ratio

It can be both, and my point would still remain the same, ratios are mathematical in nature as they explain how many times one number contains another. If you're manipulating ratios you're necessarily manipulating an aspect of mathematics, doing so from a conceptual standpoint doesn't disprove it being Mathematical Manipulation, could be Mathematical Manipulation which can effect concepts. It's like arguing that manipulating the concept of souls wouldn't also be Soul Manipulation, even through you're manipulating souls, just doing it at an conceptual level.

 

[Nierre]

Pi is being manipulated so that it has an end. Circles being circles doesn't disprove anything because that's just how the hax works.

All you're saying is that Adolla's hax made it so that circles can still exist despite Pi being solvable. In this particular fiction, that isn't mutually exclusive.

 

[Maitreya12]

Huh?? I am baffled
Knowing history of mankind means jack about merging across all of time

Ah you see that’s your first mistake. Adolla doesn’t “know” the history of mankind….Adolla is that history of mankind in the first place. The Evangelist is the very history of mankind’s own despair

Let me tone it down for you.
To merge across all of time.
You need to merge
Point 0 from A and B together and point 1, point 2,3..... Infinite.
Each point been a moment in time.
That happened

Yeah…so like these points in time from the history of the concepts of the people from the past are directly merging with the concepts of the people from the present. Adolla itself as embodying time and history of mankind in of itself is merging with the real world which means all points in time are being merged because Adolla itself are is that time from mankind’s past.

Knowing history or containing history of mankind means jack here.
Has it is simply incorporating concepts of world of the past into the presents
Merging of time is a whole different scenario

You’re still not getting my point. Adolla isn’t “knowing” or “containing” history. Adolla is the history itself. The history of mankind’s own despair. When you’re saying “incorporating concepts from the past into the present” you’re directly referring to the concept of time and past itself merging with the present because that’s what Adolla is. The very concept and idea of these things. Hence why it’s a merger of time because Adolla is that time in of itself. Hell it’s the very reason Shinra had to connect with Adolla to view the past in the first place. He literally went inside Adolla to view the past of the cataclysm as Adolla itself carries and embodies “history” within it.

Can you show a scan of space been torn during a merge.
We know nothing about the space in between aside from the fact that the evangelist came from there.
Infact this entire universal merging thing is head canon
We have statements and visual and a complete cataclysm and all that happened was earth burning.

???

Literally the clear spatial barrier separating Adolla’s world from the real world we see? Also it’s directly referred to as a “tear in space” multiple times in the series. If you have a problem with that terminology you can argue with the manga not me.

We have statements and visual indicating of what happened during the cataclysm and as you admitted to it’s literally warping the whole universe not just the planet.

We did beside earth.
You know the eye with eight legs
And we have a literal statement "this world and adolla have become one"

And we already established that merging with the planet=/=only the planet. Those are two separate claims you’re making and we directly witness Adolla’s merger impacting more than just the earth such as the stars and the very fabric of reality across the universe,

Okay this is obvious adolla shapes the world based on what majority thinks

What?? What does this have to do with anything I said. The scan was that Adolla embodies the concept of the world. What does Adolla being able to shape the universe have to do with Adolla embodying what the “world” is in of itself conceptually.

Adolla has to do with reality warping? yes and CM? Yes
You have still not told me how CM and RW scales to AP

Probably because we never talked about it? I literally just explained it to someone that asked me to explain it but our conversation between you and me was over the very fact on whether or not Adolla had universal range in the first place. We never talked about the physical stats section but I already explained why in the post above to Damage.

It’s cause Adolla is physically merging with the universe and Shinra took down Adolla itself and the Evangelist which is the embodiment of Adolla itself.

Nice bait.

It’s not bait. It is a genuine honest to god statement and questioning towards your line of logic. Like real talk I’m genuinely struggling to find where you came to this conclusion about the stars.

Like you already accept Adolla reality warped all of reality across the universe. You already accept that Adolla RW the stars to begin with by changing them from 3D to 2D.

So why…why on God’s green earth are you assuming the stars were created instead of actually reality warped if you already acknowledge that Adolla previously reality warped the universe including the stars. Makes no sense here. I’m not taking the piss here either I’m asking a genuine question to you for your train of thought that came to your conclusion because it’s just straight up inconsistent with what you already acknowledge and accept happen in the series.

And that’s without even getting into the other statements directly supporting the notion of the stars being RW as well.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

@Maitreya I love you

 

[narutosage15]

Isn’t sho’s ability enough to prove adolla can also affect time

 

[narutosage15]

@Maitreya I love you

Bro finally found a bf

 

[Maitreya12]

Isn’t sho’s ability enough to prove adolla can also affect time

I’m literally gonna be making a whole nother Fire Force CRT for ability additions for Adolla/Shinra.

Gonna be massive.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

In the context of the story solving oi likely means they just found the end of an infinitely long irrational number. It having an end doesn’t change circles… pi is often approximated as just 3.14 and it works fine, and all uses of pi in computation don’t actually compute pi to the infinite decimal point, they have cut offs. Our inability to have perfect accuracy (limiting sig figs) means we never use all of pi in practice anyway. Although I fail to see the relevance of pi in this manner being all too pertinent here. Like Adolla can manipulate mathematics, woopdy do

 

[Maitreya12]

In the context of the story solving oi likely means they just found the end of an infinitely long irrational number. It having an end doesn’t change circles… pi is often approximated as just 3.14 and it works fine, and all uses of pi in computation don’t actually compute pi to the infinite decimal point, they have cut offs. Our inability to have perfect accuracy (limiting sig figs) means we never use all of pi in practice anyway. Although I fail to see the relevance of pi in this manner being all too pertinent here. Like Adolla can manipulate mathematics, woopdy do

It means Adolla’s abilities and reality warping extends to a universal range

 

[Dalesean027]

Lets not derail from the arguments of @Maitreya and @Deceived3596

 

[Deceived3596]

In the context of the story solving oi likely means they just found the end of an infinitely long irrational number. It having an end doesn’t change circles… pi is often approximated as just 3.14 and it works fine, and all uses of pi in computation don’t actually compute pi to the infinite decimal point, they have cut offs. Our inability to have perfect accuracy (limiting sig figs) means we never use all of pi in practice anyway. Although I fail to see the relevance of pi in this manner being all too pertinent here. Like Adolla can manipulate mathematics, woopdy do

Me no understand, me no understand at all, big words hurt me brain, grug sad, grug dont feel good no more....

Lets not derail from the arguments of @Maitreya and @Deceived3596

Absolute worst best time to say this when i just dropped this post

 

[Arnoldstone18]

In the context of the story solving oi likely means they just found the end of an infinitely long irrational number.

It didn’t solve pi. It made it solvable.

 

[Maitreya12]

And still he continues with these shenanigans

I’m talking about Deceived by the way

 

[narutosage15]

I’m literally gonna be making a whole nother Fire Force CRT for ability additions for Adolla/Shinra.

Gonna be massive.

The abilities are lacking Fr
And we need a dragon and Faerie profile

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

It didn’t solve pi. It made it solvable.

Potato potato Melvin

 

[RoyGundam]

Nice bait.

You contested the claim of Adolla warping the stars in the strongest terms and have not backed up your bluster with anything substantial. You have been acting in bad faith for the entire duration of this thread, no wonder people are becoming testy

 

[RoyGundam]

I will answer this simply if Pi is not 3.14...... then Circles will no longer be Circles
does that answer your question? cause If Pi wasn't 3.1415....., circles will not exist. Pi is part a major part of the circle if the number was different it will not be a circle.

Yes, because in our universe we don't have entities capable of rewriting universal constants and warping reality to make that work

 

[PrinceofPein]

If Pi, an endless string of numbers which go on ad nauseam, and such can't be logically solved, becomes solvable then the Pi was innately warped because it became solvable. It's necessarily so.

I'm not claiming that Pi became an entirely different set of numbers, i'm saying the existence of circles isn't an inherent counter to Pi, as in the universal constant, becoming solvable because of a plethora of probable reasons, one such reason could be that "circles", within this context, wouldn't necessarily need to have that specific string of numbers since Pi, and physics itself, was warped by Adolla. It's entirely possible, and internally consistent, that objects which are visually similar to circles don't necessarily have the same ratio as circles usually have. It would explain the existence of objects which look like, and/or called circles but aren't actually "circles" ratio-wise. It could be that through some esoteric ability, Adolla's capable of manipulating mathematical constants without changing the ratio itself in relation to that which it defines. Leaving that structure, object, or shape untouched visually or mathematically.

Let me just use Arc reply
My point is still the same
Pi is still Pi, it was rounded up to a finite number.
That is my point so is there anything that disproves this? Cause I really don't see what you are arguing here.

If you can't reconcile why these possibilities aren't probable, aren't logically consistent or are more assumptive compared to your claim then you need to concede the point since you'd be arguing from a more assumptive, and less logically consistent stance.


It can be both, and my point would still remain the same, ratios are mathematical in nature as they explain how many times one number contains another. If you're manipulating ratios you're necessarily manipulating an aspect of mathematics, doing so from a conceptual standpoint doesn't disprove it being Mathematical Manipulation, could be Mathematical Manipulation which can effect concepts. It's like arguing that manipulating the concept of souls wouldn't also be Soul Manipulation, even through you're manipulating souls, just doing it at an conceptual level.

I feel like you guys reply for the sake of replying and not to reply to what I said.
I said and I quote

would not just be Mathematical manipulation but Cm same should be for Pi also since it is also ratio

It means I am not saying it is not mathematics manipulation but also CM.
So can you relax and actually get what I am saying.
I am saying manipulation of pi in any form will not just be mathematics manipulation but also concept manipulation.

You contested the claim of Adolla warping the stars in the strongest terms and have not backed up your bluster with anything substantial. You have been acting in bad faith for the entire duration of this thread, no wonder people are becoming testy

Again "nice bait" means it's a bait into an argument that I am not getting into till I make my post later today.
It's not that deep

Yes, because in our universe we don't have entities capable of rewriting universal constants and warping reality to make that work

Or we don't have people smart enough or we are not advanced enough to solve Pi.
That's the theory that with time, pi will be solvable.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Ah you see that’s your first mistake. Adolla doesn’t “know” the history of mankind….Adolla is that history of mankind in the first place. The Evangelist is the very history of mankind’s own despair

Yes it is embodiment of all of man kind fears and anger.
And it also knows the history of mankind
How does it being one means it can't also be the other?

Yeah…so like these points in time from the history of the concepts of the people from the past are directly merging with the concepts of the people from the present. Adolla itself as embodying time and history of mankind in of itself is merging with the real world which means all points in time are being merged because Adolla itself are is that time from mankind’s past.

Nothing here says embodying time of mankind.
You sent the same scan twice, you don't need to do that.
And first
You are yet to prove adolla is universal in size.
And secondly, you still need to prove it is merging across all of time.
The evangelist came after humanity and not before humanity

You’re still not getting my point. Adolla isn’t “knowing” or “containing” history. Adolla is the history itself. The history of mankind’s own despair. When you’re saying “incorporating concepts from the past into the present” you’re directly referring to the concept of time and past itself merging with the present because that’s what Adolla is. The very concept and idea of these things. Hence why it’s a merger of time because Adolla is that time in of itself. Hell it’s the very reason Shinra had to connect with Adolla to view the past in the first place. He literally went inside Adolla to view the past of the cataclysm as Adolla itself carries and embodies “history” within it.

Again merging concepts of the past which is humanity utter destruction which is the point of the merge does not mean has never meant merging across all of time.
You literally have no prove of merging across all of time
So again
You need the prove of universal adolla
Again you need prove that the times from.point 0 are merging.

You have none aside hypothesis

???

Okay how does this answer the question to the claim of you saying the merge was causing a tear in space
The question was show me a tear happening during a merge.
We know nothing about the space in between
It simply appeared after a failed cataclysm

Literally the clear spatial barrier separating Adolla’s world from the real world we see? Also it’s directly referred to as a “tear in space” multiple times in the series. If you have a problem with that terminology you can argue with the manga not me.

Again can you guys actually address the point

We have statements and visual indicating of what happened during the cataclysm and as you admitted to it’s literally warping the whole universe not just the planet.

I said the art style changing is something I believe affects the whole universe.
And how that scales to AP is what I don't understand

And we already established that merging with the planet=/=only the planet. Those are two separate claims you’re making and we directly witness Adolla’s merger impacting more than just the earth such as the stars and the very fabric of reality across the universe,

AP wise the only thing it ever affected was earth.
You know, burning a planet.

What?? What does this have to do with anything I said. The scan was that Adolla embodies the concept of the world. What does Adolla being able to shape the universe have to do with Adolla embodying what the “world” is in of itself conceptually.

Adolla embodies the end result of and human despair which is the end of all life

Probably because we never talked about it? I literally just explained it to someone that asked me to explain it but our conversation between you and me was over the very fact on whether or not Adolla had universal range in the first place. We never talked about the physical stats section but I already explained why in the post above to Damage.

It’s cause Adolla is physically merging with the universe and Shinra took down Adolla itself and the Evangelist which is the embodiment of Adolla itself.

Adolla is not physically merging with the universe that is another head canon
We see the end result of a complete cataclysm you cannot keep ignoring that even if you want to.
We see the end result and it was a planet burning that's all.
If it was affecting the whole universe physically the entire universe would be burning.
That is not so hard to comprehend.
We have that adolla complete merge will end all life.
And we see the complete merge and it was just the planet burning
Meaning the merge was complete and the only thing it affected physically is the planet.

It’s not bait. It is a genuine honest to god statement and questioning towards your line of logic. Like real talk I’m genuinely struggling to find where you came to this conclusion about the stars.

Again I will reply to it in my post later

Like you already accept Adolla reality warped all of reality across the universe. You already accept that Adolla RW the stars to begin with by changing them from 3D to 2D.

So why…why on God’s green earth are you assuming the stars were created instead of actually reality warped if you already acknowledge that Adolla previously reality warped the universe including the stars. Makes no sense here. I’m not taking the piss here either I’m asking a genuine question to you for your train of thought that came to your conclusion because it’s just straight up inconsistent with what you already acknowledge and accept happen in the series.

It is simply, we saw no stars been reality warped.
And adolla does things to fit human idea.
If the idea is the majority of humans believe we have shining blocks around the planet, then it can make it so.
That is also RW btw not just creation.


Anyway this will keep going in circles
And let me hold this
Adolla merge was complete and the end result of the merge is that all life would end. And we see the end result of the great cataclysm is the burning of the planet and not the universe.
if we have a statement that says the end result of the great cataclysm is the burning of the world in flames
if the end result of the merge aka the great cataclysm is also shown to be the earth on fire and not the universe. And also stated, many times about the planet becoming a sun.
Then there is no leap of logic that can say that adolla set the entire universe on fire. Since that is what happens after a merge.

 

[RoyGundam]

Or we don't have people smart enough or we are not advanced enough to solve Pi.
That's the theory that with time, pi will be solvable.

No, pi just straight up isn't "solvable"

It is a proven irrational number

 

[RoyGundam]

Pi is still Pi, it was rounded up to a finite number

Stop pulling things literally out of your ass

 

[RoyGundam]

It is simply, we saw no stars been reality warped.

You keep saying this without ever backing it up. We've been waiting for 3-4 days for you to show that the OG sun still exists in Soul Eater

 

[narutosage15]

Yes it is embodiment of all of man kind fears and anger.
And it also knows the history of mankind
How does it being one means it can't also be the other?

Maitreya: Adolla is the history of mankind
Pain: it’s the embodiment of fear and anger
Bro we all know you don’t want this thread to go through but Atleast bring in proper rebuttals, adolla was able to affect the past or should I say history of the FF verse seeing as when it was merging with the world it carried the concept from the past and the present blah blah Maitreya and already said all this
Another proof of adolla being able to affect time would be sho’s ability which could affect the expansion of the universe causing time to stop and all these are done via the adolla so I don’t really know what you’re getting at

Nothing here says embodying time of mankind.
You sent the same scan twice, you don't need to do that.
And first
You are yet to prove adolla is universal in size.
And secondly, you still need to prove it is merging across all of time.
The evangelist came after humanity and not before humanity

bro……
I thought we are well passed this point, you couldn’t debunk shit but yet you still don’t agree to it seeing multiple evidences of it being universal in size and you’ve yet to properly address any of them
Merging with the past and the present gathering the concepts/ideation of these two timelines

Again merging concepts of the past which is humanity utter destruction which is the point of the merge does not mean has never meant merging across all of time.
You literally have no prove of merging across all of time
So again
You need the prove of universal adolla
Again you need prove that the times from.point 0 are merging.

You need a kiss and a hug you’re getting desperate

You have none aside hypothesis



Okay how does this answer the question to the claim of you saying the merge was causing a tear in space
The question was show me a tear happening during a merge.
We know nothing about the space in between
It simply appeared after a failed cataclysm

FF SCANS: there was a tear in space due to the last cataclysm
You: show me a tear in space during the merge
Bro claims he knows the verse well
How does it happening after a failed cataclysm refute anything?

Again can you guys actually address the point

I said the art style changing is something I believe affects the whole universe.
And how that scales to AP is what I don't understand

AP wise the only thing it ever affected was earth.
You know, burning a planet.

If you would actually accept the multiple scans of universal FF you wouldn’t be here struggling to understand the AP
We established that adolla= evangelist
Adolla=universal in size
Shinra decking the shit out of the evangelist
Bam AP
This is as simple as I can put it

Adolla embodies the end result of and human despair which is the end of all life
Adolla is not physically merging with the universe that is another head canon
We see the end result of a complete cataclysm you cannot keep ignoring that even if you want to.

Bro would argue with the author at this point
Headcanon? Scans of it being said to merge with the world were brought numerous times but yet we’re the ones using headcanon?

We see the end result and it was a planet burning that's all.
If it was affecting the whole universe physically the entire universe would be burning.
That is not so hard to comprehend.
We have that adolla complete merge will end all life.

End goal of adolla: to turn the planet to a sun which is the main goal of the GC
Adolla: it affects the universe, the laws of the universe, the stars, made pi a universal constant solvable, changed the art style from 3D to 2D, moon being affected, adolla merging with the world and changing the perception humans have on the universe……
You: it’s not valid if it was only the earth that got burnt damn bro
Please don’t bring this up just please don’t I remember addressing this same thing to you twice and you ignored it using a fixated destruction would not debunk anything concerning range this is common knowledge

And we see the complete merge and it was just the planet burning

Meaning the merge was complete and the only thing it affected physically is the planet.

Again I will reply to it in my post later

It is simply, we saw no stars been reality warped.
And adolla does things to fit human idea.
If the idea is the majority of humans believe we have shining blocks around the planet, then it can make it so.
That is also RW btw not just creation.

We have to see it before we know what happened? Doesn’t that contradict your point of adolla creating stars? Why are you Ignoring many things bro? Ok let’s leave out the stars and all that let’s go to the closest one which is the moon that we see directly being warped “oh no that moon isn’t the real moon it was also created” or is this what you wanted to say?
Saying the adolla is only based on the planet is just ignorance at this point
If you make a claim show scans of the creation being done cause we see no creation feat about the stars and other construct
Adolla matches the perception of the world
Going by Hibana(best girl) statement: why is the moon looking all goofy like that? Wait I guess we draw the moon looking like that and so the perception of the moon changed seeing as the most common image of the moon is a smiling piece of rock, the same logic applies to the stars which basically most people believe stars look like this ️. All these things wouldn’t be an issue if you followed the verse thoroughly. Hope you read all this

Anyway this will keep going in circles
And let me hold this
Adolla merge was complete and the end result of the merge is that all life would end. And we see the end result of the great cataclysm is the burning of the planet and not the universe.
if we have a statement that says the end result of the great cataclysm is the burning of the world in flames
if the end result of the merge aka the great cataclysm is also shown to be the earth on fire and not the universe. And also stated, many times about the planet becoming a sun.
Then there is no leap of logic that can say that adolla set the entire universe on fire. Since that is what happens after a merge.

I think I’ve well addressed this so byeeee
Kindly drop your opinion that you’ve agreed

 

[PrinceofPein]

No, pi just straight up isn't "solvable"

It is a proven irrational number

and???? how does that say "oh humans will never evolve to solve Pi"

Stop pulling things literally out of your ass

Ah you must be really blind then, we were literally told this. that Pi is still 3.14, but we dont know the end of the decimal behind it. but Pi became solvable the moment vulcan ancestors got to the last number behind.
So how is me saying Pi is still Pi and they made "Pi" a supposedly infinite number into a finite number "pulling stuffs out of my ass" when that is literally what they did? Like Licht literally said Pi is still "3.14..." but we dont know the end. Like bro wtf
Like I may seem chill but dont really step on the toes, you are starting to piss me off

You keep saying this without ever backing it up. We've been waiting for 3-4 days for you to show that the OG sun still exists in Soul Eater

The only thing I have said and not backed up was the two suns point which I am watching/watched soul eater for, I am so sorry I have to work during the weekdays and do not have time to argue and make extremely detailed posts over fictional characters.

 

[RoyGundam]

The only thing I have said and not backed up was the two suns point which I am watching/watched soul eater for, I am so sorry I have to work during the weekdays and do not have time to argue and make extremely detailed posts over fictional characters.

No one asked you to make "extremely detailed posts" ... Least of all me. You claimed with great confidence that Soul Eater verse has the real/OG sun in addition to the laughing sun. All I asked for was something to back up that claim, which I presumed you already had (hence the confidence). Turns out you didn't have any source to back up your bluster and are now desperately going through the Soul Eater anime to find confirmation. This is not on me, it is entirely on you

 

[RoyGundam]

and???? how does that say "oh humans will never evolve to solve Pi"

Because pi is an irrational number. There simply is no end to it. For there to be such an end, the nature of the universe itself must change

Pi became solvable the moment vulcan ancestors got to the last number behind.

No, pi became solvable because Adolla changed the nature of the Fire Force universe into one where pi is a rational number rather than an irrational number