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Base The last Naruto and Hamura Chakra Hinata upgrade
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It doesn't have to be stated for it to be implied.
You're claiming that Naruto is relative to the full power of his Biju-Sage Mode, meaning that all the power he gets from his Biju-Sage Mode adds nothing to him. That makes no sense.
To me it makes far more sense that Naruto's durability equalling the full power of his Biju-Sage Mode is only applied to the part of him that is enhanced with Biju-Sage Mode.
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That’s because Naruto is strong enough not to get one shot and can fight back
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While I disagree with Naruto's Base being relative to his BSM
The Movie, Novel and the databooks all outright confirm he is using BSM and not Six Paths Mode
Nowhere is it stated or even remotely implied otherwise
The Movie, Novel and the databooks all outright confirm he is using BSM and not Six Paths Mode
Nowhere is it stated or even remotely implied otherwise
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He literally didnt use SPSM in the movie. This is a BSM design.
I said he is "low-end" relative to BSM. Of course, Base Naruto would lose to any of his superior forms in a fight, but that doesn't make him completely fodder to those forms. Base Naruto fought and did well against Fused Momoshiki. SPSM Naruto still fought Momoshiki and did even better. The same with The last Naruto. He can still contend with opponents his superior forms can also contend with but it doesn't mean he's stronger. He's only low-end relative to it.
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Not harsh enough LOLNext time you're called for one of these threads, you could totally just post this:
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No it doesn’t
It just means Naruto can withstand combat with Momo better. Momo couldn’t even punch through Gaara’s sand he had to go around it.
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That's what I'm saying. You are proving that Gaara is only low-end relative to Fused Momoshiki. Fused Momoshiki could always outmaneuver Gaara's sand and stomp him faster than base Naruto. TL base Naruto can fight against BSM Naruto and still hang on temporarily before losing ultimately which still means that despite being weaker, he is still low-end relative to his BSM counterpart.No it doesn’t
The key word everyone seems to be missing is the word "low-end."
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Yes, and I think it's quite likely that is the design that the production team had to work with at the time of making the movie.
From an in-universe perspective though, Naruto seemingly used Six Paths Senjutsu because he was able to fly in his fight with Toneri. He's never been shown the ability to fly in base form or any of his lesser forms at any other time.
Anyway; my position is still the same. I'm against scaling Naruto even at a "low end" to his feat for when he concentrated his full Biju-Sage Mode into his arm.
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Naruto never flew in the movie. If you think he flew, then the rocks pulverized on the moon also flew as well which would make no sense.
He was simply jumping and the animation made his movement timing on air a lot slower in the movie. Even the rocks were floating on the moon. The same thing happened many times during the war arc.
You haven't given a very convincing argument to state why you do not agree with it. I already explained in our earlier conversation on why he does scale to BSM low-end.
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I didn't expect I'd be able to convince you anyway.
The rocks were floating in the battle with Obito due to the 10-Tails' transformation IIRC.
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Oh my god
Naruto used BSM OBJECTIVELY
Just leave it at that
Naruto used BSM OBJECTIVELY
Just leave it at that
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Doesn't this go against the notion of trying to scale Naruto to his Biju-Sage Mode?
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I don't agree with scaling his Base to his BSM anyways
I'm just posting this to show he WAS using BSM against Toneri and not SPSM
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Sure thing.... I never argued that the rocks had the power of flight to begin with.
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I'm not scaling Naruto to BSM overall. This is like trying to disregard scaling Shikamaru to Kinshiki overall or Gaara to Momoshiki overall because they are objectively weaker than their opponent. We still have to look at where they specifically showed their relativity.
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Naruto isn't currently rated as fodder so this isn't an issue. His base form has an Unknown rating for that key.
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Base Naruto showed a feat that's comparable to his BSM self lowkey. He shouldn't have an unknown key anymore. If characters who aren't even comparable to their opponents at all could get the same tiering as those opponents just by having 1 relativity feat, why can't base Naruto who has shown relativity in another era against his superior forms, not also given the same tier?
It's not like Base Naruto being relative to his stronger forms goes against narrative. This happened in VOTE against Rinnegan Sasuke, and Boruto era against Momoshiki.
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I don't necessarily disagree with it, but I've never watched The Last in full so I'm not the best person to ask about it.
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Small Country at best, sorry.
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ignore shizzy
they're known on CV for being an infamous Naruto downplayer to the max lmao
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I don't want to get too off topic but lemme just post an example for everyone that way they don't bother derailing the thread by trying to reason with this mf
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show me a scan of Naruto busting even a country then. I know you can't.I don't want to get too off topic but lemme just post an example for everyone that way they don't bother derailing the thread by trying to reason with this mf
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Who said I'm a downplayer? I'm just saying it how it is
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