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Base The last Naruto and Hamura Chakra Hinata upgrade
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I'm entirely neutral on this situation since i'm not that knowledgeable on Naruto.
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I don't really have a stance on this honestly.
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I am more or less neutralSince the Naruto/Borutoverse upgrade CRT, created by our lord and savior Arc(a bleach worshipper btw. Shame on us) has already reached its conclusion, he has given me the go-ahead to make a possible upgrade thread for characters who weren't included in the thread but have feats on similar levels to those who were mentioned. Without further ado, let's get into it.
It's already been accepted that BSM Naruto~TCM Toneri via their blatant relativity during the battle. The deciding victory for Naruto against Toneri was by BSM Naruto condensing his BSM chakra into his left arm to deflect Toneri's GWRE, then transferring that chakra into his right arm to one-shot the greenie. All these happened while Naruto was in base form which means not only did he react to Toneri's GWRE in base form, but he was also fast enough to punch TCM Toneri in that same process, and withstood the AP of his BSM-level punch that traversed through his body then released the AP on the huge crater on the moon's surface. Which meant Naruto had the durability to tank the recoil, and the AP to release it back onto the ground.
Since The last BSM Naruto is currently accepted as "low 5-B+, possibly 5-B," his base form should also be "low 5-B+, possibly 5-B" key as he is just low-end relative to BSM. I know there might be contentions because some people actually think BSM is supposed to be a very "blatant multiplier" compared to his base form. But that really isn't the case. We've seen in multiple instances post-Hagoromo amp where Naruto's base form contends with god-tier characters that his full-powered modes brawl with e.g, Base Naruto vs 3T Sharingan+Rinnegan Sasuke, and Base Naruto vs Fused Momoshiki. Even on this wiki, for example, The last Base Naruto's speed is Relativistic. His BSM is still relativistic but with a "higher" key which means Base Naruto is still at least relative low-endwise to his BSM.
I made a CRT months ago explaining why Hinata with Hamura's chakra>~Base Naruto in combat speed and AP. And all the staff agreed with the proposed scaling for her speed and AP upgrade. Only the durability feat got dropped only because I couldn't drop any calc for it. The-last-era-Hinata-hyuga-upscale-in-combat-speed and AP.
Uchihaslayer and the other staff told me to wait until Base Naruto got a tier since he was kept at "unknown." That means Hinata should have a "low 5-B+, possibly 5-B" upgrade as well if the Base Naruto feat should get accepted.
Also, to support HC Hinata scaling to/above Base Naruto, we could simply use the fact that she had enough Chakra reserve, control, and potency to make a weakened Base Naruto revert back into his BSM without showing any sign of exhaustion. IIRC, chakra control + chakra amount = AP in basic scaling for the Naruto/Borutoverse. This means Hinata with Hamura's amp should be low-end relative to Naruto but is still inferior with versatility, stats, and jutsus. And before anyone disproves this by claiming Hinata never got an amp in the novel, just remember, Kishimoto personally worked on the movie, not the novel. He changed and introduced a lot of newer concepts and lore in the movie that didn't appear in the novel.
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The movie is also a better source for canonicity since it was the original.
The novel is just an incomplete and semi-changed adaptation of the movie which for some reason, didn't include Toneri absorbing Naruto's chakra at all which was a very notable plot moment in the movie and also gave Hinata the opportunity to show off her chakra reserve and potency feat which was twisted entirely in the novel.
As a little addition, we see Naruto stating that no one in the village would dare mess with Hinata which also adds as a supporting argument although, it doesn't mean she's stronger than everyone in the village. But it means Hinata is definitely able to contend with the top tiers in the village whether in AP or fighting capability.
To cut the long story short, I'm proposing;
Low 5-B+ The last Base Naruto OR "possibly 5-B" The last Base Naruto.
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Low 5-B+ Hinata OR "low-5-B+ physically, possibly 5-B with Hamura's chakra." That seems better for context.
By the way, Hinata in the Boruto era would be given the same 5-B tier from The last since there's no evidence that she got weaker. In fact, Hanabi claims she hasn't gotten rusty one bit after she got negged by Hinata.
Credits to @Hinaaa_Uzumaki_ from Twitter, Emmanuel-E-M-I-Y-A and David-The-Peepee-Poopoo-Man from Quora.
Agreed: Tomboy11, Ssgengar, GTsek, Jebxtz, Darsh748
Disagreed: Damage3245
Neutral: Deceived
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Also neutral here, Damage makes a lot of sense tho.
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Agreed my naruto loving brother
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Looks good.
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yes you do
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That's what you get for axing the beautiful Narutage renders from the profiles and replacing them with ass-level rendersThat's harsh
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The profile images bruh, those are the renders
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Yeah sorry was just a bit burnt out from the last Naruto CRT
I think Hinata scaling to Base Naruto is fine but what Base Naruto's scaling should be im indecisive on, I understand OP's reasoning regarding Naruto surviving the force of his own strike, but i do think it's a bit weird that base Naruto would be scaling to a charged BSM attack when his portrayed inferior in base, I mean based on the Last Novel statements you can even interpret it as naruto using all his power including Six Paths, this wouldn't be an issue with his later versions where Base naruto has consistent amount of feats that are still in the same ballpark unlike Base naruto from the last, So for now Im neutral on that aspect.
also it's a bit strange if Hinata =BSM Naruto when Hinata needed Naruto's help to destroy the tenseigan.
I think Hinata scaling to Base Naruto is fine but what Base Naruto's scaling should be im indecisive on, I understand OP's reasoning regarding Naruto surviving the force of his own strike, but i do think it's a bit weird that base Naruto would be scaling to a charged BSM attack when his portrayed inferior in base, I mean based on the Last Novel statements you can even interpret it as naruto using all his power including Six Paths, this wouldn't be an issue with his later versions where Base naruto has consistent amount of feats that are still in the same ballpark unlike Base naruto from the last, So for now Im neutral on that aspect.
also it's a bit strange if Hinata =BSM Naruto when Hinata needed Naruto's help to destroy the tenseigan.
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Thanks for your input.
Naruto never used six paths against Toneri. Nowhere was it even stated he used six paths. I never claimed Base Naruto was wholly relative to his BSM self. He is only relative barely. That's why I claimed he is "low-end" relative. As you said, you do not consider Base Naruto relative to his stronger versions in the Boruto era, so there shouldn't be any issue if he's relative to his stronger self in the last. It's something we later see happening consistently in the future.
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