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Naruto, Hinata and Toneri upgrades
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Kaguya is much faster than madara who scaled to an earlier spsm naruto. Naruto later than performs feats of keep up with kaguya and outsped her at times
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Are you trolling
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I mean theres a couple ways you can look at it. 2 eyed madara was the one who kept up with spsm naruto, he then gets an amp from absorbing the god tree, and then naruto and sasuke state She has far greater chakra than madara which is used to amp stats. At the beginningng they are clearly having a much harder time keeping up with her compared to madara. And then later she gets a stated speed and power amp from infinite tsykiyomi. She also outspeeds a chidori speed amped sasuke
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There's like 3 stat amps between the Madara that scales to SPSM and Kaguya
2nd rinnegan
Rinnesharingan
And Juubi level chakra on top
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Chakra amp=general stat amp unless otherwise stated
There's a whole blog on this
What we don't accept is taking 5x chakra amp to mean 5x Stat amp
They're just unquantifiably stronger/faster
There's a whole blog on this
What we don't accept is taking 5x chakra amp to mean 5x Stat amp
They're just unquantifiably stronger/faster
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You can only gets amps from having more chakra than you previously had if your body can tolerate the amount.
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Eh, I'm not really comfortable with the idea that Naruto gained some unstated/inexplicable increase in power or speed on this premise. If he didn't concretely gain a specific amp (like a new mode) then it seems he's more or less the same fighting each version of Madara as compared to fighting Kaguya.
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He just got faster passively in general. Bee tells us that having battles makes one much stronger than even training can, depending on the type of course
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I don't have to show you anything bucko, you are making the claim "Base Naruto has speed on par with his SPSM KCM self", you have to prove that. And you haven't.
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You can view it this way
Naruto was getting used to his power as time went on
He went from stalemating limbo clones to damaging kaguya
Discovered he could fly during that time too
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no body is claiming base naruto = spsm naruto
spsm nard> Sasuke with chidori and other amps >Base naruto ~sasuke
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and we scale that earlier sasuke to that earlier naruto and madara for keeping up do we not?
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Tell me you didn't just say that
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arc is trolling
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damage do you agree that kaguya is faster than madara?
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final valley naruto is faster than his light fang version. we already went over this
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im talking about your opion based on everything that you know. do you belive that kaguya is faster than the madara that kept up with an earlier spsm naruto
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because theres nothing to suggest that sasuke was moving 2x faster than base naruto was during their clash and fight in the anime. if you match a 2c charecter, you scale or downscale to them
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You know that downscale means you go to baseline of a tier right? That’s how downscaling works.
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i just mean like they would scale to the same value even if theres a small diffrence in speed
youd think this would be common sense
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@Stryker861 So if Kaguya is faster than both Naruto and Sasuke, why are you saying that base Naruto increased in speed to be relative to Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto?
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Im saying they adapted to a faster oppent than they prevoisly fought, making them faster than before. its litteraly a confirmed thing from bee that fighting makes you stronger in genral. if base naruto matched sasuke than he scales to sasuke. narutos base going off feats is at that level. you guys have to remeber that spsm naruto during the final valley was holding back significantly against sasuke and dident even want to harm him at all. sasuke had to to tell naruto that if he keeps stalling, hes gonna get killed. suppresed spsm naruto ~ sasuke with speed amps >sasuke>~base naruto
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They really didn’t, Kaguya was losing chakra that entire fight. There’s an entire plot point of her losing chakra at a tremendous rate due to over exerting herself. So it’s less “they got better” and more “she got worse”.
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sorry mb
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You know every time Kaguya uses her realm shift jutsu it massively taxes her right? So she’s already slower and weaker than she was on earth when she does that. So we got SPSM < initial Kaguya > lava Kaguya ~ SPSM. That’s not proving your point
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And your explanation for this discrepancy is that Naruto became faster?
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It’s not a discrepancy, Kaguya gets weaker and slower every time she hops realms because it’s super taxing on her chakra. So that Kaguya is just worse than the Kaguya that “blitzed” Naruto.
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