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Base The last Naruto and Hamura Chakra Hinata upgrade

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Naruto never used six paths against Toneri. Nowhere was it even stated he used six paths.
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It doesn't have to be stated for it to be implied.

I never claimed Base Naruto was wholly relative to his BSM self. He is only relative barely.
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You're claiming that Naruto is relative to the full power of his Biju-Sage Mode, meaning that all the power he gets from his Biju-Sage Mode adds nothing to him. That makes no sense.

To me it makes far more sense that Naruto's durability equalling the full power of his Biju-Sage Mode is only applied to the part of him that is enhanced with Biju-Sage Mode.
 
While I disagree with Naruto's Base being relative to his BSM

The Movie, Novel and the databooks all outright confirm he is using BSM and not Six Paths Mode

Nowhere is it stated or even remotely implied otherwise
 
Damage3245 said:
It doesn't have to be stated for it to be implied.
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He literally didnt use SPSM in the movie. This is a BSM design.
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Damage3245 said:
You're claiming that Naruto is relative to the full power of his Biju-Sage Mode, meaning that all the power he gets from his Biju-Sage Mode adds nothing to him. That makes no sense.
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I said he is "low-end" relative to BSM. Of course, Base Naruto would lose to any of his superior forms in a fight, but that doesn't make him completely fodder to those forms. Base Naruto fought and did well against Fused Momoshiki. SPSM Naruto still fought Momoshiki and did even better. The same with The last Naruto. He can still contend with opponents his superior forms can also contend with but it doesn't mean he's stronger. He's only low-end relative to it.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
That’s because Naruto is strong enough not to get one shot and can fight back 🗿
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Which means Momoshiki had to try harder compared to when he fought Gaara. Gaara is low-end relative but weaker than Fused Momoshiki. Same with Base Naruto and BSM Naruto.
 
Tdjwo said:
Which means Momoshiki had to try harder compared to when he fought Gaara. Gaara is low-end relative but weaker than Fused Momoshiki. Same with Base Naruto and BSM Naruto.
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No it doesn’t 🤦‍♂️ It just means Naruto can withstand combat with Momo better. Momo couldn’t even punch through Gaara’s sand he had to go around it.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
No it doesn’t 🤦‍♂️ It just means Naruto can withstand combat with Momo better. Momo couldn’t even punch through Gaara’s sand he had to go around it.
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That's what I'm saying. You are proving that Gaara is only low-end relative to Fused Momoshiki. Fused Momoshiki could always outmaneuver Gaara's sand and stomp him faster than base Naruto. TL base Naruto can fight against BSM Naruto and still hang on temporarily before losing ultimately which still means that despite being weaker, he is still low-end relative to his BSM counterpart.
The key word everyone seems to be missing is the word "low-end."
 
He literally didnt use SPSM in the movie. This is a BSM design.
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Yes, and I think it's quite likely that is the design that the production team had to work with at the time of making the movie.

From an in-universe perspective though, Naruto seemingly used Six Paths Senjutsu because he was able to fly in his fight with Toneri. He's never been shown the ability to fly in base form or any of his lesser forms at any other time.


Anyway; my position is still the same. I'm against scaling Naruto even at a "low end" to his feat for when he concentrated his full Biju-Sage Mode into his arm.
 
Damage3245 said:
Yes, and I think it's quite likely that is the design that the production team had to work with at the time of making the movie.

From an in-universe perspective though, Naruto seemingly used Six Paths Senjutsu because he was able to fly in his fight with Toneri. He's never been shown the ability to fly in base form or any of his lesser forms at any other time.
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Naruto never flew in the movie. If you think he flew, then the rocks pulverized on the moon also flew as well which would make no sense.
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He was simply jumping and the animation made his movement timing on air a lot slower in the movie. Even the rocks were floating on the moon. The same thing happened many times during the war arc.
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Damage3245 said:
Anyway; my position is still the same. I'm against scaling Naruto even at a "low end" to his feat for when he concentrated his full Biju-Sage Mode into his arm.
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You haven't given a very convincing argument to state why you do not agree with it. I already explained in our earlier conversation on why he does scale to BSM low-end.
 
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You haven't given a very convincing argument to state why you do not agree with it. I already explained in our earlier conversation on why he does scale to BSM low-end.
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I didn't expect I'd be able to convince you anyway.

He was simply jumping and the animation made his movement timing on air a lot slower in the movie. Even the rocks were floating on the moon. The same thing happened many times during the war arc.
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The rocks were floating in the battle with Obito due to the 10-Tails' transformation IIRC.
 
Oh my god

Naruto used BSM OBJECTIVELY

Just leave it at that

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Kurama Chakra Mode​

Borrowing an enormous amount of Chakra from Kurama, who has been sealed in his body, Naruto exhibits overwhelming power. By simultaneously activating Sage Mode, his sensory capabilities and the strength of his Ninjutsu are significantly increased...!!​

←↓ With the Four Symbols Seal lifted, his Chakra flows out like flames.​

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Borrowing an enormous amount of Chakra from Kurama, who has been sealed in his body, Naruto exhibits overwhelming power. By simultaneously activating Sage Mode, his sensory capabilities and the strength of his Ninjutsu are significantly increased...!!
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Doesn't this go against the notion of trying to scale Naruto to his Biju-Sage Mode?
 
Damage3245 said:
The rocks were floating in the battle with Obito due to the 10-Tails' transformation IIRC.
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The same can be said with Naruto and Toneri too. The rocks were floating because Naruto and Toneri were creating explosions.
 
Tdjwo said:
The same can be said with Naruto and Toneri too. The rocks were floating because Naruto and Toneri were creating explosions.
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Sure thing.... I never argued that the rocks had the power of flight to begin with.
 
Damage3245 said:
Doesn't this go against the notion of trying to scale Naruto to his Biju-Sage Mode?
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I'm not scaling Naruto to BSM overall. This is like trying to disregard scaling Shikamaru to Kinshiki overall or Gaara to Momoshiki overall because they are objectively weaker than their opponent. We still have to look at where they specifically showed their relativity.
 
Damage3245 said:
Sure thing.... I never argued that the rocks had the power of flight to begin with.
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Exactly. The same thing happening to the rocks can be applied to Naruto. Heck, Naruto needed the rocks to even balance and propel himself on air towards Toneri.
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Naruto isn't currently rated as fodder so this isn't an issue. His base form has an Unknown rating for that key.
 
Damage3245 said:
Naruto isn't currently rated as fodder so this isn't an issue. His base form has an Unknown rating for that key.
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Base Naruto showed a feat that's comparable to his BSM self lowkey. He shouldn't have an unknown key anymore. If characters who aren't even comparable to their opponents at all could get the same tiering as those opponents just by having 1 relativity feat, why can't base Naruto who has shown relativity in another era against his superior forms, not also given the same tier?
It's not like Base Naruto being relative to his stronger forms goes against narrative. This happened in VOTE against Rinnegan Sasuke, and Boruto era against Momoshiki.
 
They are simply forgetting the other arguments. Hinata filled back Naruto's BSM chakra, as well as helping the Tenseigan's destruction, that should be more than enough for the scale.
 
nãoNaruto base could react and block a hit from Sasuke in Shippuden's final fight, that should also be enough for his base to scale at least to low 5-b
 
Also as Naruto gets stronger he doesn't get as much of a power boost from his Kurama forms because it works as an additive boost which stops being as effective the stronger you get. Same reason why Teen Sasuke doesn't get the 10x boost from CS2 anymore.
 
Why is it that everytime I counter someone's argument, they stop replying. Just admit that the points I made makes sense and let's move on. This thread would be stuck here for ever at this rate😮‍
 
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