Base The last Naruto and Hamura chakra Hinata upgrade(Part 2).

[Tdjwo]

This is a follow-up to the first CRT I made earlier. This second CRT is mainly to upscale Base Naruto in the last using his EOS version from Shippuden.

Firstly, Sasuke should have the "unknown" keys removed from his striking strength and Durability section.

Striking Strength: Unknown (Far stronger than before, but to what extent is unknown), Planet Class with Susano'o (The Susano'o greatly increases Sasuke's Striking Strength. Fought and clashed with Kaguya Ōtsutsuki), far higher with Six Paths Susano'o (Absorbed all of the Bijū's Chakra and dramatically increased his Striking Strength)
Durability: Unknown (Far more durable than before, but to what extent is unknown), Planet level with Susano'o (The Susanoo greatly increases Sasuke's Durability. Tanked hits from Kaguya Ōtsutsuki. Tanked hits from Kurama Avatar Naruto), far higher with Six Paths Susano'o (Absorbed all of the Bijū's Chakra and greatly increased his Durability. Tanked hits from several Kurama Avatar Naruto Shadow Clones)

I'm guessing this was an error that hasn't been corrected because Rinnegan Sasuke is supposed to be equal to SPSM Naruto. Sasuke has a 5B rating for scaling to SPSM Naruto. But his striking strength is unknown, and his Susanoo is ranked at just "planet class" instead of a "higher" tier like Kurama's. That means he's ranked lower than SPSM Naruto both with Susanoo and without Susanoo which makes no sense. Same with his durability too. That shouldn't be the case. They have been portrayed equally in almost every scenario. There's even a scenario where Sasuke and Naruto possessed similar durability and reaction towards Kaguya's attack. He also tanked an attack from 2-eyed Juubidara's limbo. 1-eyed Juubidara's limbo drew blood from SPSM Naruto.

Sasuke could also physically halt SPSM Naruto's movement. Sasuke should be given a "Planet class" striking strength and durability without requiring Susanoo just like Naruto.

With that being said, EOS Base Naruto should be "at most 5B" in AP as shown where he equally clashed with Rinnegan Sasuke who is 5B(the anime extends the fight even better). Base Naruto in the last obviously scales to his EOS Base form or even higher due to statements(which I can't find) that claim Naruto grew even stronger after the war.

Hinata's scaling to/above base Naruto still stays the same. My arguments for her still hold.

Hope you guys don't do me dirty again. Give my man Naruto some slack

Agree:

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Neutral:

 

[Tdjwo]

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[OneBleachHurricane]

You should add more scans for Rinnegan Sasuke's Physicals. Any noteworthy feat of Striking Strength or Durability in his fights against Juubi Jin Madara, Kaguya, or Naruto.

 

[Purgy]

I'm guessing this was an error that hasn't been corrected because Rinnegan Sasuke is supposed to be equal to SPSM Naruto

With that being said, EOS Base Naruto should be "at most 5B" in AP as shown where he equally clashed with Rinnegan Sasuke

Am I misunderstanding or are you essentially saying SPSM Naruto = Rinnegan Sasuke = Base Naruto here?

Do we no longer consider SPSM an amp?

 

[Tdjwo]

Am I misunderstanding or are you essentially saying SPSM Naruto = Rinnegan Sasuke = Base Naruto here?

Do we no longer consider SPSM an amp?

Low-end relativity. It has been consistently potrayed that Base Naruto can keep up with six paths tiers albeit temporarily.

 

[Tdjwo]

You should add more scans for Rinnegan Sasuke's Physicals. Any noteworthy feat of Striking Strength or Durability in his fights against Juubi Jin Madara, Kaguya, or Naruto.

How about now? I added more

 

[Kin201]

I didn't think Rinnegan Sasuke without Susanoo is as durable as SPSM Naruto.

 

[Tdjwo]

I didn't think Rinnegan Sasuke without Susanoo is as durable as SPSM Naruto.

Why not? The links in the post shows Sasuke having similar durability feats with SPSM Naruto.

 

[Kin201]

Why not? The links in the post shows Sasuke having similar durability feats with SPSM Naruto.

This? I don't see durability feats for Sasuke there. This doesn't seem like a durability feat.

 

[Tdjwo]

This? I don't see durability feats for Sasuke there. This doesn't seem like a durability feat.

He was able to physically halt SPSM Naruto who got blown back by Kaguya's vacuum fist.
Even if you don't accept this, the other links should still count.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

How about now?

This is what you linked for the "tanked" link

 

[Tdjwo]

This is what you linked for the "tanked" link

Dafuq? I would change that.

 

[BlastX]

It should be also noted that by the end of the fight Naruto could tie with Rinnegan Sasuke's Onyx Chidori with a basic ass Rasengan.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

It should be also noted that by the end of the fight Naruto could tie with Rinnegan Sasuke's Onyx Chidori with a basic ass Rasengan.

That was a regular Chidori with Amaterasu.

 

[Kin201]

Even if you don't accept this, the other links should still count.

The other scan just shows both can tank being thrown into the ground by Kaguya tbh. It doesn't mean they have equal durability necessarily. Isn't there a big gap between base Naruto and SPSM Naruto?

 

[Tdjwo]

The other scan just shows both can tank being thrown into the ground by Kaguya tbh. It doesn't mean they have equal durability necessarily

They were both thrown to the ground by Kaguya. Both had identical reactions to the attack they tanked.

Isn't there a big gap between base Naruto and SPSM Naruto?

I have said this so many times already. Base Naruto is low end relative to SPSM Naruto hence the "at most" proposal for his 5B rating.

 

[BlastX]

That was a regular Chidori with Amaterasu.

It's still a enhanced Chidori vs basic Rasengan.

The other scan just shows both can tank being thrown into the ground by Kaguya tbh. It doesn't mean they have equal durability necessarily. Isn't there a big gap between base Naruto and SPSM Naruto?

There's a gap but it isn't huge to the point they're different tiers.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

FYI, Naruto's Profile's Pic Names & Keys have been Revised:

Base Naruto (This is before Six Paths Amp)

Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto

Kurama Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto

@Tdjwo you need to propose a new Key for Naruto, since you keep using the term "EoS Naruto" when something like that doesn't currently exist in Part II Naruto's War Arc Profile.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

It's still a enhanced Chidori vs basic Rasengan.

Not enhanced to the point of it being as strong as the Onyx Chidori.

 

[BlastX]

I know, the point is that Naruto matched an enhanced technique (and bear in mind the the basic Chidori almost always tied with the Basic Rasengan) with a normal Rasengan.

 

[Tdjwo]

FYI, Naruto's Profile's Pic Names & Keys have been Revised:

Base Naruto (This is before Six Paths Amp)

Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto

Kurama Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto

@Tdjwo you need to propose a new Key for Naruto, since you keep using the term "EoS Naruto" when something like that doesn't currently exist in Part II Naruto's War Arc Profile.

Cant we just use Early war arc Base Naruto, and Late war arc Base Naruto?

 

[BlastX]

I think End Of War Arc Base Naruto is better.

 

[Tdjwo]

I think End Of War Arc Base Naruto is better.

Yeah. That's better.

 

[Tdjwo]

This is what you linked for the "tanked" link

Are the links now visible?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Yes

 

[Tdjwo]

I think End Of War Arc Base Naruto is better.

Yes

So what do you think about the proposals?

 

[Godernet]

is it ever stated anywhere that Naruto and Sasuke need their amped forms to use the chakra hagaromo gave them? because if not base naruto and sasuke should at least be low 5b from each having half of hags chakra.

 

[Tdjwo]

is it ever stated anywhere that Naruto and Sasuke need their amped forms to use the chakra hagaromo gave them? because if not base naruto and sasuke should at least be low 5b from each having half of hags chakra.

It wasn't stated but from what we know, both Sasuke and Naruto got their base forms amped after the boost.

 

[Damage3245]

Just want to say that this:

Sasuke could also physically halt SPSM Naruto's movement. Sasuke should be given a "Planet class" striking strength and durability without requiring Susanoo just like Naruto.

Is not a feat at all.

 

[Tdjwo]

Just want to say that this:



Is not a feat at all.

Ok. What about the rest of the links?

 

[Tdjwo]

Please staff, I need your comments on this thread. m

 

[Tdjwo]

Bump

 

[Kin201]

Please staff, I need your comments on this thread. m

Can't you ask them to comment on on their message wall?

 

[Tdjwo]

Can't you ask them to comment on on their message wall?

Already did

 

[Nullflowerblush]

crazy how everything i argued for last year is suddenly getting accepted

 

[Tdjwo]

crazy how everything i argued for last year is suddenly getting accepted

Do you agree with this thread?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Pfft, no.

The Rinnegan boosts combat strength, but Sasuke does not have any notable physical feats to justify a god-tier rating. Evidently, the main selling point of the Rinnegan is the power of the Six Paths and its ability to enhance pre-existing ocular jutsu.

If Sasuke jumped from High 7-A to 5-B, Pain must've been 10-C before obtaining the Rinnegan.

 

[Tdjwo]

Pfft, no.

The Rinnegan boosts combat strength, but Sasuke does not have any notable physical feats to justify a god-tier rating. Evidently, the main selling point of the Rinnegan is the power of the Six Paths and its ability to enhance pre-existing ocular jutsu.

If Sasuke jumped from High 7-A to 5-B, Pain must've been 10-C before obtaining the Rinnegan.

Didn't you check the links I posted? His physical feats are comparable to SPSM Naruto. The six paths boost made Sasuke physically comparable to SPSM Naruto in speed. It's common knowledge that the Rinnegan boosts overall combat capabilities.

 

[Damage3245]

I haven't seen a strength feat in the OP that puts him equal to SPSM Naruto.

 

[Tdjwo]

I haven't seen a strength feat in the OP that puts him equal to SPSM Naruto.

SPSM Naruto bleed from 1 eyed Juubidara's limbo kick

Sasuke tanked 2-eyed Juubidara's limbo

That's already a better durability feat SPSM Naruto.
Naruto who got blasted away by Kaguya's Vacuum palm and couldn't even control his speedy movement on air was physically halted right on the spot by Sasuke