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Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann: Immeasurable Speed

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I was told by QuasiYuri that by our standards, having the same dimensionality as the temporal dimension qualifies for Immeasurable
 
BluudyManikin777 said:
I was told by QuasiYuri that by our standards, having the same dimensionality as the temporal dimension qualifies for Immeasurable
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Since when? For immeasurable, you need to be able to travel through time via sheer speed and not dimensionality or anything of the sort.
 
Ok but yeah no. Immeasurable speed is moving through the time axis using raw speed, transcending time or temporal dimensions or whatever like that doesn't qualify for immeasurable.
 
azontr said:
Since when? For immeasurable, you need to be able to travel through time via sheer speed and not dimensionality or anything of the sort.
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No, not just having higher dimensionality (why does everyone keep thinking I mean that?). In context, the temporal dimension of the verse is 11 dimensional. Simon upon integrating the Multiverse is ALSO 11 dimensional. With his dimensional existence, he should therefore be able to move along this axis
 
azontr said:
Yeah but he needs feats for that, he has none. Assumptions aren't arguments.
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But it’s literally how dimensions should work. If someone is 3D, that person should be able to move along 3 dimensional axes, same for every other dimension. That’s like saying a 5 dimensional character is only limited to 4 directions of movement
 
Yeah, but those aren't the standards for immeasurable speed anymore dude. You wanna try and change it? Go make a site wide CRT for immeasurable speed.
 
azontr said:
Yeah, but those aren't the standards for immeasurable speed anymore dude. You wanna try and change it? Go make a site wide CRT for immeasurable speed.
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I was literally told by someone who’s considered knowledgeable on the wiki’s speed standards that this is acceptable
 
Also, I never got any logical explanation as to why having the exact same number of dimensions as the temporal dimension, doesn’t count as Immeasurable. Why won’t anyone explain that to me? All I’m getting is “that’s not the standards” or “look at this page for example”
 
That isn't how you get something accepted, you have input from more people including staff who disagree with this. This is time travel, not a speed feat. Prove he did it by speed and not time travel.
 
Simon has traveled to different points in time, on top of that, integrating within himself the Multiverse, which is 11D. Okay, admittedly, I can’t prove he moved with sheer movement, but still, no one has explained to me why having the same dimensions as the temporal dimension of the verse, doesn’t count as immeasurable
 
You quite literally just debunked your own point. You can't prove he did it via speed, he has no feats for it, this is the recipe for getting a CRT rejected.
 
BluudyManikin777 said:
exact same number of dimensions as the temporal dimension, doesn’t count as Immeasurable. Why won’t anyone explain that to me
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We have. You need a showing or hard statement for the rating. It's a feat based designator, not something you can automatically have based on having HDE.
RisingIons said:
I wouldn't say its time travel, it just gives you the ability to travel to someone/something that you recognize.
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Which is time travel combined with teleportation.
RisingIons said:
Why couldn’t it be immeasurable with x ability?
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If you mean expanding his existing thing, then I wouldn't say so. Just give him time traveling as a straightforward power.
 
So no one is going to tell me why having the same number of dimensions as a temporal dimension, doesn’t equal Immeasurable speed?
 
BluudyManikin777 said:
So no one is going to tell me why having the same number of dimensions as a temporal dimension, doesn’t equal Immeasurable speed?
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Because Simon quite literally has 0 feats of traveling through time via speed, and you quite literally said you couldn't prove it. This is a case-by-case thing, Simon just isn't one of the people who get immeasurable. If you wanna know why, make a questions and answers thread.
 
But, if Simon doesn't already have it, this would qualify for Time Travel so that could be added.
 
azontr said:
Because Simon quite literally has 0 feats of traveling through time via speed, and you quite literally said you couldn't prove it. This is a case-by-case thing, Simon just isn't one of the people who get immeasurable. If you wanna know why, make a questions and answers thread.
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That’s not answering my question. The argument that since Simon has the exact same number of dimensions as a temporal dimension, he should be Immeasurable, via having the existence necessary to move along this axis, isn’t invalid unless someone proves why it doesn’t work like that
 
BluudyManikin777 said:
That’s not answering my question. The argument that since Simon has the exact same number of dimensions as a temporal dimension, he should be Immeasurable, via having the existence necessary to move along this axis, isn’t invalid unless someone proves why it doesn’t work like that
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Because those literally aren't the sites standards my guy, it isn't how it works here, if you disagree with that make another CRT. I can't tell you anything else because this is just how it is.
 
azontr said:
Because those literally aren't the sites standards my guy, it isn't how it works here, if you disagree with that make another CRT. I can't tell you anything else because this is just how it is.
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That’s still not answering my question. The answer “because that’s not the sites’ standards” ultimately still leads to asking the same question, along with, why is that the standard? Why does a character having the same number of dimensions as a temporal dimension, not count as Immeasurable?
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Because if they don't showcase the ability to freely move along its axis then they can't get a rating. You can be High 1-B and have super sonic+ speed. Infinite and Immeasurable require a showing or a hard statement to get.
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WHAT??? Hyperversal being can just be slower then lighting
 
BluudyManikin777 said:
That’s still not answering my question. The answer “because that’s not the sites’ standards” ultimately still leads to asking the same question, along with, why is that the standard? Why does a character having the same number of dimensions as a temporal dimension, not count as Immeasurable?
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Because that isn't how immeasurable speed works, it literally isn't how things work. Simon has absolutely 0 feats of ever doing immeasurable speed feats, asking the question over and over doesn't change that, he needs feats of moving across time using sheer speed, something you've admitted he can't do. I don't know why it's the standard, I'm not an expert, but what I do know is that if Simon didn't travel through time via speed, he isn't immeasurable.
 
azontr said:
I'm not an expert, but what I do know is that if Simon didn't travel through time via speed, he isn't immeasurable.
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Cool. Then you shouldn’t argue against his HDE making him Immeasurable if you don’t know what you’re talking about. Telling me it’s not immeasurable because of standards is not telling me anything, and everyone else just refuses to explain why those are the standards
 
Yeah if there is no proof that Simon can freely move beyond time axis due sheer speed, he doesnt scale to immeasurable
 
Immeasurable speed is where Time cannot be measured due to the speed formula being S = D/T. Simon hasn't showcased the ability to move across time via speed, you can't prove he has. You're making the assumption that because he exists on the temporal dimension, he should be immeasurable. But no, that isn't how it works. He needs feats, not assumptions.
 
Why should it? Tbh, the burden of proof is on you to prove that he can, not on us to prove he can't. You made the argument, support it.
 
azontr said:
Why should it? Tbh, the burden of proof is on you to prove that he can, not on us to prove he can't. You made the argument, support it.
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No, you’re telling me a higher dimensional character can’t automatically move along Extradimensional axes, and you’re not telling me why
 
Why would moving along Extradimensional axes mean they can automatically move through time via speed?
 
azontr said:
Why would moving along Extradimensional axes mean they can automatically move through time via speed?
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So 1D characters can’t move? 2D characters only move left and right? 3D characters only move left right and up down? 4D characters can only move left right, up down and forward backward? That’s literally what the argument sounds like right now. You’re basically saying if a character has, for example, 7 dimensions, that character can’t automatically move through 7 different directions?
 
Why does moving through 11-dimensional space give Simon the ability to move through time via speed. You haven't explained that.
 
Prove that they can move through time via sheer speed. Dimensions are not tied to speed, in fact I can name an entire verse that has a crap ton of tier 1s that aren't full on immeasurable.
 
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