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I was told by QuasiYuri that by our standards, having the same dimensionality as the temporal dimension qualifies for Immeasurable
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Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann: Immeasurable Speed
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azontr
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Since when? For immeasurable, you need to be able to travel through time via sheer speed and not dimensionality or anything of the sort.
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Agree FRA
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No, not just having higher dimensionality (why does everyone keep thinking I mean that?). In context, the temporal dimension of the verse is 11 dimensional. Simon upon integrating the Multiverse is ALSO 11 dimensional. With his dimensional existence, he should therefore be able to move along this axis
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But it’s literally how dimensions should work. If someone is 3D, that person should be able to move along 3 dimensional axes, same for every other dimension. That’s like saying a 5 dimensional character is only limited to 4 directions of movement
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I was literally told by someone who’s considered knowledgeable on the wiki’s speed standards that this is acceptable
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Also, I never got any logical explanation as to why having the exact same number of dimensions as the temporal dimension, doesn’t count as Immeasurable. Why won’t anyone explain that to me? All I’m getting is “that’s not the standards” or “look at this page for example”
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Simon has traveled to different points in time, on top of that, integrating within himself the Multiverse, which is 11D. Okay, admittedly, I can’t prove he moved with sheer movement, but still, no one has explained to me why having the same dimensions as the temporal dimension of the verse, doesn’t count as immeasurable
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We have. You need a showing or hard statement for the rating. It's a feat based designator, not something you can automatically have based on having HDE.
Which is time travel combined with teleportation.
If you mean expanding his existing thing, then I wouldn't say so. Just give him time traveling as a straightforward power.
azontr
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He doesn't already have it?
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Okay now I disagree FRA lol
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So no one is going to tell me why having the same number of dimensions as a temporal dimension, doesn’t equal Immeasurable speed?
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Because Simon quite literally has 0 feats of traveling through time via speed, and you quite literally said you couldn't prove it. This is a case-by-case thing, Simon just isn't one of the people who get immeasurable. If you wanna know why, make a questions and answers thread.
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That’s not answering my question. The argument that since Simon has the exact same number of dimensions as a temporal dimension, he should be Immeasurable, via having the existence necessary to move along this axis, isn’t invalid unless someone proves why it doesn’t work like that
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Because those literally aren't the sites standards my guy, it isn't how it works here, if you disagree with that make another CRT. I can't tell you anything else because this is just how it is.
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That’s still not answering my question. The answer “because that’s not the sites’ standards” ultimately still leads to asking the same question, along with, why is that the standard? Why does a character having the same number of dimensions as a temporal dimension, not count as Immeasurable?
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WHAT??? Hyperversal being can just be slower then lighting
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Yes, dimensions are just directions, they don’t automatically make you faster
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Because that isn't how immeasurable speed works, it literally isn't how things work. Simon has absolutely 0 feats of ever doing immeasurable speed feats, asking the question over and over doesn't change that, he needs feats of moving across time using sheer speed, something you've admitted he can't do. I don't know why it's the standard, I'm not an expert, but what I do know is that if Simon didn't travel through time via speed, he isn't immeasurable.
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Yes. Like lifting strength, speed isn't tied to a rating until you debatably get into 1A or higher.
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I meant more of an expansion of it.
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Cool. Then you shouldn’t argue against his HDE making him Immeasurable if you don’t know what you’re talking about. Telling me it’s not immeasurable because of standards is not telling me anything, and everyone else just refuses to explain why those are the standards
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Yeah if there is no proof that Simon can freely move beyond time axis due sheer speed, he doesnt scale to immeasurable
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Immeasurable speed is where Time cannot be measured due to the speed formula being S = D/T. Simon hasn't showcased the ability to move across time via speed, you can't prove he has. You're making the assumption that because he exists on the temporal dimension, he should be immeasurable. But no, that isn't how it works. He needs feats, not assumptions.
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He has HDE on an 11 dimensional level, he should be able to freely move along an 11D axis
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Explain why having HDE doesn’t automatically mean you can move along Extradimensional axes
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No, you’re telling me a higher dimensional character can’t automatically move along Extradimensional axes, and you’re not telling me why
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So 1D characters can’t move? 2D characters only move left and right? 3D characters only move left right and up down? 4D characters can only move left right, up down and forward backward? That’s literally what the argument sounds like right now. You’re basically saying if a character has, for example, 7 dimensions, that character can’t automatically move through 7 different directions?
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Prove that they can move through time via sheer speed. Dimensions are not tied to speed, in fact I can name an entire verse that has a crap ton of tier 1s that aren't full on immeasurable.
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Hmmmmm… idk… maybe because the 11th dimension is literally time?
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