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She's never actually controlled it though, not once in the entire series, she wanted to, but never could, so that's not an argument, also Appeal to Bias Fallacy
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Zeref scaling to Etherion and Acnologia Durability
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Appeal to Bias? You mean Appeal to Motive? I have a feeling you don't even know what that means. We've gone over everything in this thread and they've all been debunked. You aren't bringing up any new information or arguments, instead your blatantly ignoring the fact that you've brought these arguments up before which have gotten debunked and countered.
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The debunk is wrong tho, now you are ignoring our arguments, i bring up ultear scan, wahl ability to fire etherion cause he have enough power to do it. Again mavis was it holder, why she give a example of etherion not jupitor canon or why everyone(mavis,makarov) fear it to even use it if it just a power source? Mavis sure can just use a small town or mountain lvl attack and attack opponent since her spell never going to end
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The only thing you stated that apparently debunked Zeref gaining power from the Space Between Time, is that Anna controlled it as well, even though she never did in the entire story, she wanted to, but never did, so you cannot use as an argument, as well Zeref has the power of the Space Between Time, and can use it, and we scale Acnologia to Etherion because he has the SBT as well, but we only scale Acnologia, that's my issue
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The debunk isn't wrong and yes I'm fully aware of everything. Wall's Etherion is an outlier for him so that argument doesn't make sense. Furthermore more he's firing Etherion himself, he doesn't have access to infinite magic. It's the equivalent of me making Donald Trump 6-C for having the ability to fire all of the USA's nuclear stock pile. Mavis Cleary stated that FH has the ability to fire Etherion without a limit. FH itself doesn't scale to Etherion, it can fire Etherion that's it. All you've been doing is using old arguments that have been debunked.
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I'm also against Acnologia scaling to Etherion via SBT. If that's the case then the reason should be changed but given his standing as the God Tier in the verse it would make sense for him to scale to Etherion in his strongest form. My issue stems from trying to scale Zeref to Etherion which is clearly and evidently wrong.
@1997
Because Etherion would destroy the country. Mavis wouldn't risk that. We both know this.
@1997
Because Etherion would destroy the country. Mavis wouldn't risk that. We both know this.
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So you're against Scaling Zeref to High 6-B because you don't think he should be at level, but are fine with Acnologia being at that level because he's the Strongest Character, even tho both should scale due to having the same source of power
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1997KD said:
Last time, FH is a battery. It doesn't scale to Etherion and this is the part that we've all agreed to.
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DemonGodMitchAubin said:
No, I'm against scaling Zeref of anything as strong as Etherion whenever he's never been shown to be on that level. He isn't the God Tier of the verse, unlike Zeref Acnologia is the God Tier of the verse. And in his strongest key he should be well above anything in the verse. Meanwhile you can't say the same for Zeref. As for the SBT it doesn't act as a weapon but more of hax. The SPT is similar to FH in that its another magical container that gives the user hax, but isn't above Etherion DC or AP wise.
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if you ignore that having more magic makes you stronger you don't get how magic works in Fairy Tail and Zeref is a God Tier he's the third strongest character
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Last time, FH is a battery. It doesn't scale to Etherion and this is the part that we've all agreed to.
Battery didn't have ap, but mavis still afraid to use it, even she is not using the etheion canon,
here the scan if you miss it. Even makarov didn't try to use it even when etherion canon diffused cause all council member were dead
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>Zeref isn't God Tier.
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Are we REALLY still discussing if FH Zeref is > Etherion?
FH is infinite power. This is an hyperbole used to indicate that it's stronger by a wide margin than other stuff like Etherion or magic in general. A nuke would look like infinite energy to a cave man. And this is far from possible in fiction when that's the same thing with Zelda's Triforce. Acnologia being the only exception when he absorbed the Ravines of Time, and even then I'd consider that as a maybe.
FH is infinite power. This is an hyperbole used to indicate that it's stronger by a wide margin than other stuff like Etherion or magic in general. A nuke would look like infinite energy to a cave man. And this is far from possible in fiction when that's the same thing with Zelda's Triforce. Acnologia being the only exception when he absorbed the Ravines of Time, and even then I'd consider that as a maybe.
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Because FH is a battery. She didn't want to use its strongest ability which is to spam Etherion. Again, we both know this for a fact.
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@rin idk what you want to says 1st you says fh is a battry and it's have 0 ap,
- then why mavis afraid it to using it
- again how mavis can spam etherion without etherion canon or knowing etherion spell?
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Dude, Mavis doesn't need the Etherion canon. FH already has the ability to fire it, again you know this for a fact.
@Blake
It was 7 against 1 yesterday. The numbers should be higher than before but I'll tally the votes again.
@Blake
It was 7 against 1 yesterday. The numbers should be higher than before but I'll tally the votes again.
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1997KD and Aubin have a decent point to be fair.
The Council's Etherion Cannon has been destroyed a while ago, so it cannot be used anymore.
And more than that, Fairy Heart has been hyped up as something far above anything else in the verse(perhabs excluding RoT). Even Zeref described it as the "pinnacle of all magic" and "a power fitting for the end of the world"
Not to mention that it was stated that he could be able to defeat Acnologia with Fairy Heart, and in order for that to be true, Acnologia's magical resistance would have to be bypassed, and it's High 6-B.
So if we include all of that, FH Zeref being High 6-B does make sense.
These are just some points that I have. I don't really have an opinion on this topic tbh, since both sides can be argued, and there is no way to prove which one is "correct", due to the lack of explanation in the manga.
The Council's Etherion Cannon has been destroyed a while ago, so it cannot be used anymore.
And more than that, Fairy Heart has been hyped up as something far above anything else in the verse(perhabs excluding RoT). Even Zeref described it as the "pinnacle of all magic" and "a power fitting for the end of the world"
Not to mention that it was stated that he could be able to defeat Acnologia with Fairy Heart, and in order for that to be true, Acnologia's magical resistance would have to be bypassed, and it's High 6-B.
So if we include all of that, FH Zeref being High 6-B does make sense.
These are just some points that I have. I don't really have an opinion on this topic tbh, since both sides can be argued, and there is no way to prove which one is "correct", due to the lack of explanation in the manga.
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Another point that is important to mention, is that Etherion's strength fully depends on the magic power of the user. The council;s Etherion is High 6-B, however Wall also has his version of Etherion, which is just around High 7-A
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Zeref never stated that he could beat Acnologia with FH. His method for beating Acnologia with FH was a time Reset Captain Torch.
Also 1997KD, not really. She has the ability to fire Etherion Through Fairy Heart's Infinite Magic reserves.
Also 1997KD, not really. She has the ability to fire Etherion Through Fairy Heart's Infinite Magic reserves.
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If you can fire Etherion with FH without the cannon then wouldn't Zeref be able to do that
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1997KD said:
No it wasn't. That calc was rejected after the thread was made, the user was banned and deleted the calcs. Stop using false information.
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DragonEmperor23 said:
He'd be able to fire Etherion, but it wouldn't scale to him physically. At best you'd be able to scale Etherion to Acnologia given Zeref's statement of not being able to defeat him.
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