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Zeref scaling to Etherion and Acnologia Durability

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@Rin

What I'm upset with is that after a year we're still arguing over whether or not we should scale to Etherion, we're talking about the same feat over and over and over again, it's not like new results reveal something new, it's just people's doubts over the smae feat for over a year now, because new people show up and disagree, and it is understandably frustrating, I believe this is the 6th thread made about changing the God Tiers this past year, and it's alwas the same arguments, no one ever bring something new
 
It really isn't changing the God Tiers, they'll still be High 6-B to 6-A and nobody is doubting Etherion. What people are doubting is FH having the same AP and durability as Etherion. And just because the thread that dealt with this happened over a year ago doesn't mean that it should never be brought up again. Going by that logic no verses would be upgraded or downgraded. Do you remember when FT was only High 6-C? I could use your logic to say that it should have never been messed with but I'm not since both arguments are equally as wrong.
 
What if we scaled them all to Dragon Cry, and then we make Dragon Cry At least High 6-B, due to being vastly superior to Etherion, I don't even remember why we didn't do that, but the characters would remain the same
 
From I recall it's came to the conclusion that Dragon Cry isn't stronger than Etherion due to Etherion having the better feats. Dragon Cry works by firing dozens of 8-A blasts that could possibly be High 6-A given an extensive amount of time. Going by actual feats itself I'd have to agree that Etherion is much more impressive.
 
Except, they literally say it's dozens of times stronger, and it's stated to be superior to Etherion, which everyone in that thread ignored
 
To give my input here, I've been wanting to make a CRT for a while that Fairy Heart is not AP and thus not greater than Etherion's AP.

Fairy Heart is literally a battery, an infinite source of magic. It's storage, it has no AP and would not be greater than Etherion in AP as it has no AP. It could fire multiple Etherion because of it's storage and if it's storage was applied to the Etherion cannon.

I think Captain Torch's new proposed tiering would be best.
 
So you honestly believe that Zeref got no stronger when he absorbed Fairy Heart, and everyone's completely ignoring how Zeref also has the Space Between Times Magic and how that gave him a boost as well
 
Zeref did get stronger but scaling him to Etherion isn't valid. Anna had control of The Space Between Time but that doesn't make her High 6-B. Having control of FH doesn't make Zeref scale to Etherion or anything of the sorts. It's a infinite source of magic, it has nothing to do with AP. What all those did for Zeref is give Zeref control over time and infinite magic. Nobody is ignoring this, matter of fact Captain Torch even brought this up. The more likely case is that you refuse to accept that Zeref doesn't scale to Etherion despite the majority of users here agreeing that he doesn't.
 
Both Fairy Heart and Ravines of Time are magic storage, they aren't AP.

They just make his magic reserves larger.

Also as Rin pointed out, Anna could control the Ravines of Time. You're not convincing anyone that it has an AP with that.
 
MORE MAGIC POWER = MORE POWER

that's always how it's worked and if you ignore that and claim Zeref got not a inch stronger after gaining those powers then you have clearly never read the series, and have no idea how the verses magic functions and if you think Anna had the level of control that Zeref, then I don't know what to say to you
 
Going by that Logic Zeref is low 2-C then huh. No, the more magic power something has doesn't always equate to having the same AP. Zeref isn't 2-C nor does he have infinite attack potency. And nobody is saying he didn't get stronger, he did but to try to scale him to Etherion for having an infinite source of magic is beyond silly and downright false. The level of control is irreverent, Anna still had control of it yet she isn't High 6-B. This strikes me as a desperate attempt to make your favorite antagonist stronger via using invalid logic, false information and made up headcanon.


Mostly everyone here disagrees with scaling Zeref to Etherion. You're the only one here who agrees with scaling Zeref to Etherion and you're using headcanon, assumptions and false information.
 
There it is I'm using headcanon and assumptions, or how about I'm interpreting the story in a different way than you are, Fairy Heart is a High 6-B source of Power and Zeref absorbed that power, therefore he is High 6-B, why is that a headcanon, that's what I believe, for one, your assumption is that he got not a smidge stronger than before, which is blatantly wrong
 
When did Anna have control of the RoT? I thought that was disproven when it was shown that the RoT wasn't a void that kills all that enter and that Zeref was the one who had found and sealed it?
 
You're ignoring what everyone has said here. Nobody said he didn't get stronger, what we're saying is that it didn't boost him to the level of Etherion. You're the only one who's thinking that Zeref scales to Etherion whenever he doesn't. Fairy Heart isn't a High 6-B source of power, we both know this for a fact. All Fairy Heart does is give Zeref an infinite amount of magic. It has nothing to do with AP and everyone has been telling you this which you've been ignoring the entire time and I'm tempted to say it's out of bias.
 
Literally nothing connects Fairy Heart to Etherion except the phrase "With Fairy Heart's infinite magic you could fire Etherions like nothing".

There is nothing else connecting the two. It's literally a point about how Fairy Heart's immense storage would allow it to fuel an Etherion cannon if the two were connected.

Zeref isn't an Etherion cannon, he's not firing Etherions.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Fairy Heart can Power a High 6-B weapon that makes it High 6-B
Click to expand...

No, it doesn't and everyone has explained this to you before. Fairy Heart has nothing to do with AP. You need to stop pushing for High 6-B Zeref whenever everyone has debunked this and explained it to you.
 
So from what I could gather Fairy Heart is being argued to provide infinite magic to something and that's its main function

I can see it doesn't necessarily have to be stronger then Etherion to be that it's like if you gave a machine a battery that let it fire infinite nukes it wouldn't necessarily be stronger it would just provide the means to do so
 
Infinite magic =/= Etherion

The fact that Zeref has FH at his disposal doesn't make him High 6-B. That just makes his stamina limitless.

He absorbs the battery, not the nuke.
 
I'll tally up the votes.


In agreement to Zeref not scaling to Etherion: 7 (Me, Imade, Captain Torch, AnonymousBlank, Calaca Vs, Js25 and Enryuu the Red Tower.)


In agreement to scaling Zeref to Etherion: 1 (DemonGodMitchAubin)
 
Alright I concede, I still believe I'm right, but no one agrees with me and I don't want to continue fighting a battle, that I've already lost, I however will say that at the very least that FH Zeref should be High 6-C+ as he would be stronger than his base form which is 500 Gigatons, and Baseline High 6-C is 550 Gigatons, so we should at least let them be at that level
 
So

FH Zeref: At least High 6-C+ (far stronger than before)

Human Acnologia: At least High 6-C (Far stronger than August and Irene)

Dragon Acnologia: At least High 6-C+ (Stronger than his human form)

(High 6-B Magical Resistance(Etherion isn't enough to beat him))

Human RoT Acnologia: At least High 6-C, likely 6-A (far stronger than before/stronger than etherion)

Dragon RoT Acnologia: 6-A (stronger than Etherion)

This is what we're doing
 
No need to mention specifically that his magic resistance is high 6-B, just link the calc to Etherion in the explanation for his magic resistance and say it wouldn't be able to beat him.
 
Someone told me that without a calc we can't put the +. So At least High 6-C would be the correct number. This happened when I attempted to upgrade East Blue characters to High 8-C+ for being far superior to Buggy who's 6.3 tons.

Thing might have changed since then so you should ask some staff members before editing Zeref.
 
No, Escanor scales far above a 221 Gigaton Feat and Mel has a 2x multiplier which would be 442 Gigatobs, but he's far superior to that so they pushed him to 550 Gigatons
 
I don't agree with everything there.


FH Zeref: High High 6-C+ (Far stronger than before.)


Human Acnologia: At Least High 6-C+ (Far stronger than Irene and August.)


Dragon Acnologia: At Least High 6-C+ (Stronger than his human form.) High 6-B Magical Resistance. (Should be able to absorb Etherion, although it's unknown if he can tank the damage.)


Human Rot Acnologia: At Least High 6-C+, likely High 6-B+ (Far stronger than before, should be stronger than Etherion. )


Dragon Rot Acnologia: 6-A ( Stronger than Etherion. )
 
Again, ask some staff members before editing. If the standard is still used then NNT's profiles needs a fix.
 
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