I think what's he's trying to say is that because we default the space between Low 2-C structures as insignificant 5D, and the Demon world is what holds and separates these structures within it, it would mean that it contains an insignificant 5D axis.
And that'd be silly, because the space between timelines within a 2-A structure would be infinite (as any non-infinitesimal separation multiplied by infinity would become infinite). That sort of argument just fundamentally doesn't line up with our tiering system as-is.
No, that is simply not how we treat temporal dimensions.
It is what's currently accepted.
No. You're extrapolating in a way which those pages don't explicitly say, in a way which would, if taken seriously, make 2-A and Low 1-C the exact same tiers.
As said above, this is obviously wrong, as this reasoning would make every 2-A series Low 1-C.
This does not provide anything of substance that would lead to a dimensional jump.
That's not how we treat collections of spaces.
No. You are misunderstanding the page, which isn't hard to do hence why a lot of people always ask questions.
But it is. It's literally in the page and the thread in which the standards were made.
Like I said above, DT explained it in clear detail in several threads. The problem here comes from YOU not understanding what he said so I will take his comment over yours.
According to DT, it does.
Well, once again it's your word against DT's.
You're not understanding my invocations of 2-A.
It's obviously not, as your interpretation of that would merge 2-A and Low 1-C.
DT hasn't commented on this case, as far as I'm aware.
I don't see the relevance of that post.
Yes, that's how it is and as stated by DT that's how it is applied.
No, it wouldn't. Because, as DT made painfully clear to the point even me could understand, 2A is assumed to be displaced across a non significantly sized 5D space hence it wouldn't warrant a Low 1-C tier.
I never said he did. From the threads I presented in which he commented and gave the necessary explanation is where I got this conclusion.
Maybe because DT's comment explicitly contradicts what you are saying?
It is fundamentally impossible to displace infinitely many objects across a dimension without displacing it across an infinite amount of that dimension.
Then I simply disagree that he would read the evidence as you're asserting.
"This construct, of 4-D stuff spread throughout a 5-D space, is just tier 2" does not contradict "We do not treat spaces displaced across a dimension as a dimensional jump". They're saying the exact same thing, actually.
Take it to DT, he is the math guy who made the standards, not me.
He sorta explains that here:
I would call him again but he never shows up. Best thing I got is past statements he made regarding this and they fall in line with my arguments.
You: "That's not how we treat collections of spaces.
Oh okay I get it now. idk exactly why it works, but you can squeeze countably infinitely many numbers between 0 and 1 with the sequence of "1 divided by each of the positive integers", and a trivial alteration of that lets you do that with arbitrarily small intervals.
Yeah, you were using that to get a dimensional jump, I was saying we don't treat it that way, and your quote from DT was in-line with that.
I don't think the ray of light stuff being a size difference is even up for consideration here and it was also extensively discussed and rejected before to be an infinite size difference in any way.
I think that's a bad interpretation. It compares that endless darkness to a timeline, and says the timeline has finite size, so it couldn't be referring to a fifth spatial axis.
But this is talking about Demon World in totality, not some inner random dimensions. Human World being a Ray of Light would achieve nothing as it would be insignificant nonetheless. What matters is the size of Demon World as the manga panel explains it, to be Endless/Infinite in size.
I don't think we can just ignore that other information.
That's what you think but again, it doesn't matter how Human World is being compared.
It does; if the Human World is countably infinitely smaller than the Demon World, that means that they're of a similar size difference, which is not enough to jump tiers.
That would likely be evidence for it being higher-tiered. There's some cases where it could not be, and it'd have to be weighed against the contrary statement of the ray of light in endless darkness, but if that is said consistently in a qualifying way, then ofc it'd lead to a higher tier.
Oh yeah! That's also there.
Was busy. But who disagreed soo far?
Can you send the scan coz I lost it
"Lower and upper realms" is far from actually implying a dimensional difference by itself. Then there's the fact that his invasion was considered a feat, instead of something that literally anyone in the demon realm could do with zero effort, which implies that the human realm isn't actually uncountably infinitely inferior.
No it doesn't. Or at least, it doesn't any more than "stronger" would; it's slightly indicative, and might be paired with it, but is still far, far from being useful.
Why would it be an accomplishment if it's something literally anyone from his realm could do with zero effort? Why would it be something he needs to accomplish, rather than something already done by the intrinsic hierarchy of their worlds?
No lol, conquering worlds can be difficult even if its living inhabitants are weak, simply due to them being expansive.
Uh noy exactly, what sonic and tony proposes wouldn't 100 percent imply that cuz only a few demons from that period surpasses finite stats
Y'know what, that's fair. It only contradicts arguments of the "this realm is intrinsically superior" variety, not arguments about it being vast (i.e. infinitely large in 5 dimensions, or having extra temporal dimensions).
It could mean:
For one thing, if those are his other feats, then this is an anti-feat for him; it indicates that he's struggling with something which other showings supposedly have him doing easily. A lot of series have stuff like that.
It is, in fact, not very surprising for two pieces of information from completely different sources having a slight contradiction like this.
Alright then.
