Top most skilled swordmans in the wiki

[Regidian]

Last I checked all of Shimosa isn't animated. One is from the novel and one is from the manga.


And not necessarily, wank bit as a joke but the main part was that it's quite literally impossible to quantify most of her stuff, meanwhile if it were animated or at least drawn then we'd be able to legitimately quantify it.

The manga is in the beginning yeah, tho she already show the use of her heavenly eyes not complete and her cutting soul/fate/karma is show too

For shimousa fgo, musashi describe what she do a'd we have image of her battke with yagyu, her vut multi layered bayer is show, h and we have the narrator explication with her battle of sasaki, in lb5.2 with have the direct feat of her cutting the void space who is outside the real space.

 

[Sevil Natas]

seriously tho, this guy deserves a spot on the list as he's basically one of the closest characters to actual real life sword fighting masters

here's proof if you want

 

[EliminatorVenom]

And not necessarily, wank bit as a joke but the main part was that it's quite literally impossible to quantify most of her stuff, meanwhile if it were animated or at least drawn then we'd be able to legitimately quantify it.

To be fair, animated fights aren't a very good way to reliably gauge skill. To make it more visual, most animated fights make things like overswinging, overcomitting and exaggerated/flashy moves very common, and a feat that is decribed in the novel as being unable to counter infinite possibilities is rather hard to show in animation.

I'd prefer if it was something explicit too, but given the description of those feats (that still feel way more like powers than skill), I don't think it's possible to animate them.

Which reminds me that it'd be cool to mention some fights in media that are surprisingly realistic and display actual, good skill. It'd be easy to pick some obscure and realistic pieces of media, so focusing in stuff more related to famous series:

• Maria the Virgin Witch (Even mooks fight with surprising realism from the material gathered from martial arts manuals of the Medieval age. In fact, anyone with interest in that kind of thing should check out some war scenes from Maria)
• Vagabond (Of course, the actual things are very much exaggerated [the feat of a man cutting a flower with such a precision that it doesn't even die] but the moves and behaviours themselves are all very familiar from what I've seen in kenjutsu, accounts and general principles)
• Berserk (Again, the proportions themselves are exaggerated and people like Guts have so much strength that they ignore the rules, but the lower tiered physically a character is, such as very young Guts and Serpico, the more displays of realistic fighting we can see)
• For Honor (Actually very limited, most characters fight unrealistically with only a few good, realistic techniques. The Warden is an exception, with most of his moves having a solid basis in german swordsmanship manuals)

If you guys remember more, feel free to respond this.

 

[EliminatorVenom]

seriously tho, this guy deserves a spot on the list as he's basically one of the closest characters to actual real life sword fighting masters

Oooh, I haven't checked out KCD yet, but you sparked my attention.

 

[Regidian]

and in that possibility the only thing he will see his is own death, like seriously, let me provide the scans

In that scan the only thing she doesn't have cut is lifespan and time directly (even tho her sword transcend it). Tho her sword can make her cut her own death in battle.

"it wards off all forms of untimely deaths, karmic damage, curses, and tragedies in a single sweep."

let us forget this even kills 1B beings, even in equal stats musashi is not surviving a single slash, oh btw did i tell you soujiro sword attacks is also passive? (Since it was a part of his hax i decided not to mention it but if you are mentioning musashi hax eh why cant i mention soujiro's own)

One more time having more potency doesn't make you more skilled with sword you know?

Sword atk passive? Have scan of this? How the **** can a sword atk be passive? With you scan he would have like killed everyone just by being here if this was passive which is not the case lol.

And how will musashi create another possibility if his future nad life force has already been slashed passively?

Futur nad life force???? Don't understand

also this

She litteraly have fight infinity sasaki who can do that with infinity slash a'd not hundred millions

Time armour negates any form of change,

Scan? And well it will just be time manip then?

in all possibilities she still dies

If they had the same potency, No. (Except if his sword atk are really passive which i don't have see being mentionned in battle)

 

[Regidian]

To be fair, animated fights aren't a very good way to reliably gauge skill. To make it more visual, most animated fights make things like overswinging, overcomitting and exaggerated/flashy moves very common, and a feat that is decribed in the novel as being unable to counter infinite possibilities is rather hard to show in animation.

I'd prefer if it was something explicit too, but given the description of those feats (that still feel way more like powers than skill), I don't think it's possible to animate them.

Which reminds me that it'd be cool to mention some fights in media that are surprisingly realistic and display actual, good skill. It'd be easy to pick some obscure and realistic pieces of media, so focusing in stuff more related to famous series:

• Maria the Virgin Witch (Even mooks fight with surprising realism from the material gathered from martial arts manuals of the Medieval age. In fact, anyone with interest in that kind of thing should check out some war scenes from Maria)
• Vagabond (Of course, the actual things are very much exaggerated [the feat of a man cutting a flower with such a precision that it doesn't even die] but the moves and behaviours themselves are all very familiar from what I've seen in kenjutsu, accounts and general principles)
• Berserk (Again, the proportions themselves are exaggerated and people like Guts have so much strength that they ignore the rules, but the lower tiered physically a character is, such as very young Guts and Serpico, the more displays of realistic fighting we can see)
• For Honor (Actually very limited, most characters fight unrealistically with only a few good, realistic techniques. The Warden is an exception, with most of his moves having a solid basis in german swordsmanship manuals)

If you guys remember more, feel free to respond this.

Gamaran have good skill fight too if i remember

 

[EliminatorVenom]

Gamaran have good skill fight too if i remember

Good one! I need to get into Gamaran yet, it really caught my eye but I haven't had the time to check it out yet.

I mentioned series that are on the realistic side of fighting, as skill can be found even on incredibly unrealistic series such as Baki, eprhaps even moreso thanks to Super Skill(tm). But it's always refreshing to see people who are skilled but also on a realistic level.

 

[Regidian]

Good one! I need to get into Gamaran yet, it really caught my eye but I haven't had the time to check it out yet.

I mentioned series that are on the realistic side of fighting, as skill can be found even on incredibly unrealistic series such as Baki, eprhaps even moreso thanks to Super Skill(tm). But it's always refreshing to see people who are skilled but also on a realistic level.

Yeah

 

[PrinceofPein]

In that scan the only thing she doesn't have cut is lifespan and time directly (even tho her sword transcend it). Tho her sword can make her cut her own death in battle.

"it wards off all forms of untimely deaths, karmic damage, curses, and tragedies in a single sweep."

One more time having more potency doesn't make you more skilled with sword you know?

Sword atk passive? Have scan of this? How the **** can a sword atk be passive? With you scan he would have like killed everyone just by being here if this was passive which is not the case lol.

Futur nad life force???? Don't understand


She litteraly have fight infinity sasaki who can do that with infinity slash a'd not hundred millions

Scan? And well it will just be time manip then?

If they had the same potency, No.

and i mean future and life force, she cannot jump through possibilities if there is nothing like a future for her

to resist soujiro slash she will need to have resistance to
time manip, concepts manip, law manip and soul manip which musashi does not have(I know you want to say musashi has resistance to soul manip or something, believe me musashi soul manip resistance is useless has the potency of soujiro is way higher than anything in fate), and soujiro also nulls her precog with specific attacks (Shinatobe no Kaze): A technique that turns murderous intent into a sword. Despite the fact it doesn’t cause any big phenomenon, it releases precises slashes at close range without having to draw his sword, it cannot be predicted and therefore is impossible to dodge.)
that is passive by the way he only needs to get serious for that to happen
and here is the scan for the passive stuff, There's no concept of swinging, so everthing is hit. he does not need to swing his sword to attack, it is passive.

Time armor is literally yato law: Res Novae - Also Sprach Zarathustra: The manifestation of Tenma Yato's Law from when he was Ren Fuji, “I want to enjoy this moment forever”. After activation, time, in all levels of existence, are completely frozen, even in areas where time in all its forms does not exist. Through an extension known as “Time Armor”, Yato is also capable of completely negating change, making all damage done to him effectively null unless the opponent's power outright exceeds his own. The Time Armor even allowed him to halt Hajun’s Law from being completed for over 8,000 years, only stopping because of his own death (Albeit Hajun was significantly weakened due to having absorbed a vast quantity of souls and was not paying any mere attention to his existence).

 

[QuasiYuri]

and i mean future and life force, she cannot jump through possibilities if there is nothing like a future for her

to resist soujiro slash she will need to have resistance to
time manip, concepts manip, law manip and soul manip which musashi does not have(I know you want to say musashi has resistance to soul manip or something, believe me musashi soul manip resistance is useless has the potency of soujiro is way higher than anything in fate), and soujiro also nulls her precog with specific attacks (Shinatobe no Kaze): A technique that turns murderous intent into a sword. Despite the fact it doesn’t cause any big phenomenon, it releases precises slashes at close range without having to draw his sword, it cannot be predicted and therefore is impossible to dodge.)
that is passive by the way he only needs to get serious for that to happen
and here is the scan for the passive stuff, There's no concept of swinging, so everthing is hit. he does not need to swing his sword to attack, it is passive.

Just wanna say that Soujirou did stalemate Shiori who's power was to become her alt timelines selves, with her switching and all so it's not like he just, blow every possibilities away.

 

[Regidian]

and i mean future and life force, she cannot jump through possibilities if there is nothing like a future for her

to resist soujiro slash she will need to have resistance to
time manip, concepts manip, law manip and soul manip which musashi does not have(I know you want to say musashi has resistance to soul manip or something, believe me musashi soul manip resistance is useless has the potency of soujiro is way higher than anything in fate), and soujiro also nulls her precog with specific attacks (Shinatobe no Kaze): A technique that turns murderous intent into a sword. Despite the fact it doesn’t cause any big phenomenon, it releases precises slashes at close range without having to draw his sword, it cannot be predicted and therefore is impossible to dodge.)
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and here is the scan for the passive stuff, There's no concept of swinging, so everthing is hit. he does not need to swing his sword to attack, it is passive.

Time armor is literally yato law: Res Novae - Also Sprach Zarathustra: The manifestation of Tenma Yato's Law from when he was Ren Fuji, “I want to enjoy this moment forever”. After activation, time, in all levels of existence, are completely frozen, even in areas where time in all its forms does not exist. Through an extension known as “Time Armor”, Yato is also capable of completely negating change, making all damage done to him effectively null unless the opponent's power outright exceeds his own. The Time Armor even allowed him to halt Hajun’s Law from being completed for over 8,000 years, only stopping because of his own death (Albeit Hajun was significantly weakened due to having absorbed a vast quantity of souls and was not paying any mere attention to his existence).

Like i tell she can create futur/possibility that don't exist. She can just shift in them through battle.

She resist time manipualtion/space manipulation/concept/law, she have magical resistance rank A and the new accepted crt give resistance to these.

If we take the two with his 1-B potency normal that he bypass her resistance but if they had the same potency he would not.

The technique not make it passive tho,just mean e doesn't need to drawn sword to atk, he still need to turn the murderous intent in sword.

And to counter that musashi can cut certainty and causality with her sword.

(Myoujingiri Muramasa: A blade forged by the legendary sword smith Muramasa. It allows her to cut "karma", and is able to sever causality, or "certainty".)


Yeah so it mean that he bypass the time manipulation of Yato. But since he canncut time it's logic.

 

[LordGinSama]

Yall see the live action Kenshin movies on Netflix? Those are a phenomenal display of quasi realistic skill.

Also give John Wick a pencil and he ******* scrubs all of these nerds.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Just wanna say that Soujirou did stalemate Shiori who's power was to become her alt timelines selves, with her switching and all so it's not like he just, blow every possibilities away.

Shiori can withstand soujiro attacks, she herself said that she cannot evade it only tank it, and shiori has resistance to everything needed to tank soujiro attacks

 

[LordGinSama]

Also Zoro can absolutely fodderize people with crazy levels of Instinctive Reactions such as Hachi and Hyozou, the former having 6 brains which act independently while the latter has 8. Zoro can also produce several instantaneous slashes with one slash alone, similar to Sasaki's Tsubame, Zoro can produce 6 instantaneous slashes and iirc he should scale above a Swordsman who can cause 8+ slashes with only 2 strikes Nitoryu style.

 

[Regidian]

Does a ikki vs mihawk was done in the past? Or it just stop at the famous desperados GG?

 

[PrinceofPein]

Like i tell she can create futur/possibility that don't exist. She can just shift in them through battle.

Time Manipulation (Can cut the future)
Not possibilities but future

She resist time manipualtion/space manipulation/concept/law, she have magical resistance rank A and the new accepted crt give resistance to these.

She does not resist it on the potency of soujiro, and this is base soujiro but he has 1B hax,

If we take the two with his 1-B potency normal that he bypass her resistance but if they had the same potency he would not.

Like Hisashi in base likely has 4D hax, soujiro hax in base are 1B

The technique not make it passive tho,just mean e doesn't need to drawn sword to atk, he still need to turn the murderous intent in sword.

No he only needs to get murderous and it happens passively

And to counter that musashi can cut certainty and causality with her sword.

(Myoujingiri Muramasa: A blade forged by the legendary sword smith Muramasa. It allows her to cut "karma", and is able to sever causality, or "certainty".)

Yeah soujiro has type 4 acausality and can cut people with such

Yeah so it mean that he bypass the time manipulation of Yato. But since he canncut time it's logic.

He can cut time tho, cutting the future.

 

[LordGinSama]

Does a ikki vs mihawk was done in the past? Or it just stop at the famous desperados GG?

Probably lol.

I personally view Mihawk as being more skilled, simply because he can toy with Zoro with a butter knife and some simple foot work, this being the same Zoro who can bypass Instinctive Reactions and act dance around attacks from Hatchan which are nigh unpredictable.

 

[Sevil Natas]

Oooh, I haven't checked out KCD yet, but you sparked my attention.

seriously you should, if you're into very realistic medieval games, kcd is probably the best one out rn

 

[Regidian]

Time Manipulation (Can cut the future)
Not possibilities but future.

If she create a new possibilities she create a new futur where she can possibly go.

She does not resist it on the potency of soujiro, and this is base soujiro but he has 1B hax.

I have tell it it doesn't make him more skilled tho.

Like Hisashi in base likely has 4D hax, soujiro hax in base are 1B

I talk about potency, if musashi and mibu had a fight with the wame potency(the two in low 1-C by ex) then she would resist, otherwise normal she don't resist 1-B potency.

No he only needs to get murderous and it happens passively.

The text you show tell that the murderous intent need to be make in a sword before so not really passive.

soujiro has type 4 acausality and can cut people with such.

Musashi too so would not help him.

He can cut time tho, cutting the future.

It's what i have tell

 

[SemiRaedi]

Can someone with knowledge on the characters give what they believe to be the correct order of where the characters are to be arranged?

As well as add the additional characters mentioned above

Please can someone fulfill this, it would help out a ton rn

 

[PrinceofPein]

If she create a new possibilities she create a new futur where she can possibly go.

He cuts any future, I am not talking about creating new possibilities but the chance of musashi living in the future is cut

I have tell it it doesn't make him more skilled tho.

I talk about potency, if musashi and mibu had a fight with the wame potency(the two in low 1-C by ex) then she would resist, otherwise normal she don't resist 1-B potency.

Uhhm if they were to be the same, soujiro still cut you have not shown me how she resist having her concept cut or her life force cut. And again the soul manip in fate is really weak and no where near shinza soul stuffs. And even in low 1C, soujiro conceptual stuffs potency is still type 1.

The text you show tell that the murderous intent need to be make in a sword before so not really passive.


Musashi too so would not help him.


It's what i have tell

There is another passive scan right there not just the intent stuff so there is that too, so he still cuts.

 

[Regidian]

Please can someone fulfill this, it would help out a ton rn

Can't help much here

 

[LordGinSama]

Please can someone fulfill this, it would help out a ton rn

We'd have to discuss the skills of every character here and how they compare to one another.

 

[EliminatorVenom]

Yall see the live action Kenshin movies on Netflix? Those are a phenomenal display of quasi realistic skill.

Also give John Wick a pencil and he ******* scrubs all of these nerds.

Accurate. Kenshin, if it's what I'm thinking about, is a masterpiece.

 

[Regidian]

He cuts any future, I am not talking about creating new possibilities but the chance of musashi living in the future is cut.

Except she can cut the futur where she fated to dying too.

Due to cutting fates, it wards off all forms of untimely deaths, karmic damage, curses, and tragedies in a single sweep.

Uhhm if they were to be the same, soujiro still cut you have not shown me how she resist having her concept cut or her life force cut. And again the soul manip in fate is really weak and no where near shinza soul stuffs. And even in low 1C, soujiro conceptual stuffs potency is still type 1.

Servant doesn't have life force it's why their immune to surtr NP. By her concept cut you talk about her concept of existance?.

The soul manip of fate is anything but weak bruh it can litteraly have everything you could think it can do lol to manipulate it, modify it, make it higher dimmensionnal, erase it, power up it, swap it, create it etc.

Roa a guy from fate can litteraly manipulate his soul to make it able to resist Akasha erasure etc And the soul stuff in shinza is technically really basic....

Conceptual resistance of fate is type 1 too.

The other is the same, just say he doesn't need to swing so that lean everyone is hit. Like i tell his story himself show that it's not passive

 

[PrinceofPein]

Except she can cut the futur where she fated to dying too.

Due to cutting fates, it wards off all forms of untimely deaths, karmic damage, curses, and tragedies in a single sweep.

Please drop scans, especially the one where she cut the future where she is fated to die. Aside that she does not have any future with soujiro slash,

Servant doesn't have life force it's why their immune to surtr NP. By her concept cut you talk about her concept of existance?.

Yes concept of existence, it is okay whether they have life force or not, unless they have high godly regen musashi dies. As soujiro can negate high godly and he also has high godly regen.

The soul manip of fate is anything but weak bruh it can litteraly have everything uou could think it can do lol. Roa a guy from fate can litteraly manipulate his soul to make it able to resist Akasha erasure etc

Roa =\= musashi
And I will say it again you can not block an attack from an holy relic as it attacks both physically and spiritually at the same time and it needs to be blocked on both ends, soujiro attack souls is passive 1B souls btw, you will be the one bringing scans of musashi attacking souls past his own level.
And don't get me started shinza soul hax >>>>>>> fate.

Conceptual resistance of fate is type 1 too.

Yeah I will need scans it is not on musashi page or servants

The other is the same, just say he doesn't need to swing so that lean everyone is hit. Like i tell his story himself show that it's not passive

No it is passive it is literally there he does not need to touch or swing his sword to cut.

 

[Poppio2]

So if nobody had any hax abilities and they all fight with just normal swords who would win? Cause wielding 8 blades simultaneously while fighting is quite impressive, especially if he is fighting another swordsman like Sasuke and his team all at once.

 

[PrinceofPein]

So if nobody had any hax abilities and they all fight with just normal swords who would win? Cause wielding 8 blades simultaneously while fighting is quite impressive, especially if he is fighting another swordsman like Sasuke and his team all at once.

Well creating hax with blades is something e.g. able to cut anything

 

[EliminatorVenom]

Well creating hax with blades is something e.g. able to cut anything

It's a power, not skill. Skill is how well someone can use what they're given. In this context, this is strictly the skill they have with a sword and elements of swordfighting that a normal human in the real world can have, even if elevated to impossible degrees.

While this is just my opinion, in this blog post I go into detail a bit about skill.

 

[Poppio2]

Yeah but they would need to be able to replicate those feats with any kind of blade or at least a normal blade that is similar in appearance. For example Demon Slayers can use their breathing techniques even if they are using a wooden paddle. Or Shigure from Kenichi can dominate opponents less skilled with an everyday object like a spoon. Creating infinite possibilities with a blade is almost supernatural probably haxxy.
Sasaki and Musashi are definitely skilled and I imagine even without infinite possibilities or zero they can put up a good fight.

 

[Regidian]

Please drop scans, especially the one where she cut the future where she is fated to die. Aside that she does not have any future with soujiro slash,

It's the description of her NP.

Rokudou Gorin – Kurikara Tenshou (Six Realms, Five Rings – Acala Celestial Phenomenon
This Noble Phantasm can be considered an embodiment of the sword of “Zero”, the concept of “Void” that Musashi has yet to master. While it is classified as an Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm, it is in actuality an Anti-Fate Noble Phantasm, as it utilizes her Heavenly Eyes to their fullest potential to cut fates and achieve her desired outcome. Due to cutting fates, it wards off all forms of untimely deaths, karmic damage, curses, and tragedies in a single sweep.


If she does not have any futur she can create new one with her creating new possibilities.

Yes concept of existence, it is okay whether they have life force or not, unless they have high godly regen musashi dies. As soujiro can negate high godly and he also has high godly regen.

When he have ever showed being to cut the concepts of existence of someone?

Our discussion is with who is more skilled and who would win, so him having high godly regen have like nothing to do with his skill.

Roa =\= musashi
And I will say it again you can not block an attack from an holy relic as it attacks both physically and spiritually at the same time and it needs to be blocked on both ends, soujiro attack souls is passive 1B souls btw, you will be the one bringing scans of musashi attacking souls past his own level.
And don't get me started shinza soul hax >>>>>>> fate.
.

Your the one that talked about soul manipulation being weak i show you a example that it false.

Litteraly all weapon from servant atk both physically and spiritually and servant can block them.

One more time the discuss is if they had the same potency stop using 1-B as argument for skill.

Fate>>soul hax in potency and diversity 'ot even a question lol.

Yeah I will need scans it is not on musashi page or servants.

Nothing more easy i al the one who make the crt. It was made before the merging of type 2 and 1 so now concept manip general of fate is type 1.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/nasuverse-concept-crt.116930/

No it is passive it is literally there he does not need to touch or swing his sword to cut.

It's not just that he doesn't need to swing his weapon, not needing to touch or swing to cut doesn't make it passive you know? Passive would be that he always cut everything whitout stoping and is not the case

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I'd argue that in pure blade handling skills, Killer B is among the most impressive out there. His unique fighting style incorporating advanced acrobatics while handling 8 blades simultaneously is simply a marvel to behold visually.
It's also potent enough to completely overwhelm a skilled sword user like Sasuke, who also possesses the Sharingan with its kinetic vision that can keep up with fast moving objects, analyze their trajectories even if they're faster than the user, and analyze objects on the cellular level or smaller. In addition to its Analytical prediction that allows the user to visually see the opponent's next move. In fact, it was even mentioned that Sasuke couldn't predict B's movement at all, and this wasn't some bs resistance, it was simply due to his skill and unpredictability. (Wasn't due to speed either, since Sasuke could react to a much faster B when he wasn't utilizing his sword style)

I'm not trying to argue that B should be higher or anything, as I'm not too knowledgeable on the other characters on that list aside from Zoro, Mihawk, and Musashi (Fate). All I'm saying is that B definitely belongs on this list, and I wanted to put his pure swordsmanship and blade handling into perspective.
I mean, EIGHT ******* BLADES! Who can do that?!
Anyway, here's a glimpse for those unfamiliar with the character:

 

[Regidian]

Yeah but they would need to be able to replicate those feats with any kind of blade or at least a normal blade that is similar in appearance. For example Demon Slayers can use their breathing techniques even if they are using a wooden paddle. Or Shigure from Kenichi can dominate opponents less skilled with an everyday object like a spoon. Creating infinite possibilities with a blade is almost supernatural probably haxxy.
Sasaki and Musashi are definitely skilled and I imagine even without infinite possibilities or zero they can put up a good fight.

Even without the two they are still the more skilled guy in fate(except if we count vid shiki sheningann.

Musashi can directly find weakness of swormanship style she never encountee (like when she fight for the first time mhx) can adapt and evolve her swordsmanship by the ennemy she affront (quick ennemy/ennemy that use steath, that use counter/parade etc), can copy and integrated in her own style what she saw.
She can analyse fight style of other and just simulate the battle in her head innombrables time to find the best solution even about a guy she nevernhad fight, she specialises in destroying defense of swordsmanship etc, and that it whitout counting all the other swormanship guy haxed that she beat (like guy that can copy any style, that can already know everything you will do and is a step haed of you, that can counter any type, that can overcomeme any weakness, that have reactive evolution, that make swing that atk you with all infinite possibilities in same time, guy that have mastered every martial art that exist etc)

 

[Poppio2]

Even without the two they are still the more skilled guy in fate(except if we count vid shiki sheningann.

Musashi can directly find weakness of swormanship style she never encountee (like when she fight for the first time mhx) can adapt and evolve her swordsmanship by the ennemy she affront (quick ennemy/ennemy that use steath, that use counter/parade etc), can copy and integrated in her own style what she saw.
She can analyse fight style of other and just simulate the battle in her head innombrables time, she specialises in destroying defense of swordsmanship etc, and that it whitout counting all the other swormanship guy haxed that she beat (like huy that can copy any style, that can already know everything you will do, that can counter any type, that make swing that atk you with all infinite possibilities in same time etc)

True though it is weird she lost to saber Hokusai who just started.

 

[Regidian]

True though it is weird she lost to saber Hokusai who just started.

She let herself be deal she tell it, and tenma musashi is quite weird in first it's a part of Musashi that was separated of musashi a'd lost most of her skill

 

[Poppio2]

She let herself be deal she tell it, and tenma musashi is quite weird in first it's a part of Musashi that was separated of musashi a'd lost most of her skill

Okay makes sense then I guess.

 

[LordGinSama]

Reminds me someone should make Saber vs Zoro tbh.

 

[Regidian]

Reminds me someone should make Saber vs Zoro tbh.

With the shitshow that was sasaki vs zoro no thx lol and even if i don't like it you have see that many guy of fate merge different key and feat in the match so we will be just annoying if i had to discuss and try to see what is valid or not

 

[Regidian]

Even tho kt would be more easy to argue with musashi than sasaki as she don't juste scale above because it's tell but have fight most of the skilled guy directly.

 

[PrinceofPein]

It's the description of her NP.

Rokudou Gorin – Kurikara Tenshou (Six Realms, Five Rings – Acala Celestial Phenomenon
This Noble Phantasm can be considered an embodiment of the sword of “Zero”, the concept of “Void” that Musashi has yet to master. While it is classified as an Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm, it is in actuality an Anti-Fate Noble Phantasm, as it utilizes her Heavenly Eyes to their fullest potential to cut fates and achieve her desired outcome. Due to cutting fates, it wards off all forms of untimely deaths, karmic damage, curses, and tragedies in a single sweep.


If she does not have any futur she can create new one with her creating new possibilities.


When he have ever showed being to cut the concepts of existence of someone?

Our discussion is with who is more skilled and who would win, so him having high godly regen have like nothing to do with his skill.


Your the one that talked about soul manipulation being weak i show you a example that it false.

Litteraly all weapon from servant atk both physically and spiritually and servant can block them.

One more time the discuss is if they had the same potency stop using 1-B as argument for skill.

Fate>>soul hax in potency and diversity 'ot even a question lol.

Nothing more easy i al the one who make the crt. It was made before the merging of type 2 and 1 so now concept manip general of fate is type 1.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/nasuverse-concept-crt.116930/

It's not just that he doesn't need to swing his weapon, not needing to touch or swing to cut doesn't make it passive you know? Passive would be that he always cut everything whitout stoping and is not the case

Passive as in thought based btw.
And to top this off, musashi cannot damage soujiro has his has passive barrier that reflects all attacks so all of musashi attacks gets reflected back to her
Even in stats equal soujiro still stomp.
You have not shown me musashi
Resistance to
Concept manip
Fate manip
Time manip (resist her future been cut).

The reason why I mentioned high godly was that he can also bypass people with such regen with his blade.
Which means his attacks erases people conceptually