Warriors of Heaven and Hell: The Most Skilled on the Wiki!

[azontr]

They could share a spot.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Boros should be the number one meteoric burst user

 

[azontr]

Also at the request of (aka harassed) other users I made the list a top 10 per category instead of top 5.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Boros should be the number one meteoric burst user

Have seen better tbh

 

[First_Witch]

Also at the request of (aka harassed) other users I made the list a top 10 per category instead of top 5.

I mean I joked about it too but why. We barely have character to fill in spots in the first place. I expected that change after 20 new pages of discussion

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I mean I joked about it too but why. We barely have character to fill in spots in the first place. I expected that change after 20 new pages of discussion

People dont care about that after all its just meme stuff that matters

 

[azontr]

I mean I joked about it too but why. We barely have character to fill in spots in the first place. I expected that change after 20 new pages of discussion

I'm attempting to make the thread more active so we do get those characters, that's the whole point

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Daredevil should not be ranked above or at Tasky level just for winning tbf.

Taskmaster has a much vaster skillset, on top of already being equal to Daredevil in unarmed combat and acrobatics, which are some of his primary forms of combat.

Daredevil may edge out in combat strategy and is less cocky, (which is how he won their initial bout) but calling him AS skill strikes me as iffy.

 

[Eclipso]

Daredevil should not be ranked above or at Tasky level just for winning tbf.

Taskmaster has a much vaster skillset, on top of already being equal to Daredevil in unarmed combat and acrobatics, which are some of his primary forms of combat.

Daredevil may edge out in combat strategy and is less cocky, (which is how he won their initial bout) but calling him AS skill strikes me as iffy.

Either way DD should be > bullseye

I’m fine with Task>DD>Bullseye

edit:also not relevant to Misc category (not very relevant anyway), but DD is more skilled than Cap

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Either way DD should be > bullseye

I’m fine with Task>DD>Bullseye

edit:also not relevant to Misc category (not very relevant anyway), but DD is more skilled than Cap

All 3 are fodder

 

[Eclipso]

Anyways, I personally think DD should be more skilled than taskmaster mainly for his strategical skills and senses, and predictions

 

[azontr]

You could make a thread to discuss it if you really want DD in Task's spot.

 

[Eclipso]

You could make a thread to discuss it if you really want DD in Task's spot.

I’m too lazy for that. I’m sure Midas would agree Task>DD>Bullseye and I’m fine with that

 

[Deceived3596]

I guess you can add Mugai to the pending submissions list until I fully revise his profile. After which I'll make an argument for him being on the list itself.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Yeah I am agree with Task>=DD>Bullseye. Both Task and DD have advantages and disadvantages over one another in terms of skills.

 

[Eclipso]

Bump

 

[azontr]

I love you.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Bump

Run

 

[Silvervigilant]

I'd say Joe Yabuki for Bare-Handed Modern Martial Artist

Feats:

• Joe is a naturally talented fighter, who can become considerably stronger with little to no training, he was able to close the skill gap between him and Wolf Kanagushi in a short time period, Carlos Rivera was shocked by how much he progressed in a short amount of time. Joe is able to grasp even highly difficult techniques with relative ease, such when he was able to tag Rikiishi, a undefeated pro with his jabs, despite practicing them only for a day or so, Rikiishi was impressed by his jabs and even compared them to those of a pro. Not only that, Joe in his first boxing match, was able to tie with Rikiishi by hitting him with a cross counter, a high level technique that he completely mastered just after seeing once. Was able to blitz Aoyama despite getting blitzed by him during the beginning of their fight. Can get better as the fight progresses.
• Joe is capable of mimicking techniques through simple observation even after just a single viewing. He was able to perfectly copy the cross counter just after seeing once. He copied Aoyama high level hit and run techniques through simple observation, Aoyama skills were on a such high level that not even Rikiishi was sure he could deal with them. He also copied Aoyama konnyaku techniques, while punch drunk, just by remembering it. Joe was able to copy Carlos Rivera's hidden elbow smash attack something that's difficult for the average boxer even see. Used Harimau's own acrobatic fighting style against him. Copied Jose Mendoza's advanced corkscrew punches, a high level punch. Joe even used some of Mendoza's other techniques against him.
• Joe is repeatedly stated to be a fighting genius by Danpei, who is pretty damn smart himself when it comes to boxing. Joe learned how to do a effective footwork, block and even a high level sway all by himself, he also developed the no-guard stance by his own. He is capable of coming up with unorthodox strategies to win even in the heat of the moment and is a master at using ropes to his advantage, he used the ropes to land a cross counter on Rikiishi, managed to caught Pinang Sarawak off guard by using the ropes, Joe was even able to use the ropes not only to counter Harimau acrobatic attacks but also as way to make him fall of the ring in a perfectly legal way. Joe is also an excellent counter puncher, he was able to knock out a large number of Juveniles using the cross counter, created the triple cross counter during his fight with Wolf, was able to counter Harimau's unpredictable acrobatic fighting style. During his fight against Jose Mendoza, Joe was able to completely negate Jose's defense which everyone thought was perfect, Joe was also able to understand the whole secret behind Jose's shoulder grip trick, Joe even managed to land a cross counter and a triple cross counter on Mendoza, despite being punch drunk and completely blind in one eye. Joe is also capable of mastering high level techniques with relative ease.
• He Could hit Jose Mendoza multiple times despite Mendoza being completely sure that he dodged his punches, and even though José was seeing Joe's arm clearing missing his head, Joe punches were actually hitting him, even after José began to explore his blind eye to slip his punches, Joe was still able to hit him numerous times, with Mendoza still not knowing how.
• Joe was able to keep fighting while unconscious multiple times during the series, instinctively dodge a uppercut from Rikiishi, often utilizes his mental effort on planning strategies rather than using to perform his offensive/defensive moves.
• Joe's instincts warns him when his opponent is about to do something deadly.
• While preparing for a fight, Joe can develop new techniques and strategies that are proven to be effective to counter his opponents fighting style, he can also evolve as fighter by a good amount after training.
• Joe was able to hit Kim Young-bi multiple times during their fight, and Kim himself even admitted that his calculations failed against him. Kim is stated to be a human computer, he's always calculating his opponents next moves, he never never commits any errors during a fight or during his training, he can easily dodge all his opponent's attacks and counter them without breaking a sweat, he can read his opponent so well that he can punch them with his eyes closed, he was also able to parry multiple punches from Joe with his eyes closed too, he can accurately predict how many strikes are left to knock out an opponent, Kim can also predict the outcome of a fight by calculating, his coach describes him as boxer who foresees all possible scenarios beforehand and acts accordingly no matter what happens. Due to this, his fighting style is pratically immune to counters or lucky punches.

 

[Deceived3596]

I'd say Joe for Bare-Handed Modern Martial Artist

Feats:

• Joe is a naturally talented fighter, who can become considerably stronger with little to no training, he was able to close the skill gap between him and Wolf Kanagushi in a short time period, Carlos Rivera was shocked by how much he progressed in a short amount of time. Joe is able to grasp even highly difficult techniques with relative ease, such when he was able to tag Rikiishi, a undefeated pro with his jabs, despite practicing them only for a day or so, Rikiishi was impressed by his jabs and even compared them to those of a pro. Not only that, Joe in his first boxing match, was able to tie with Rikiishi by hitting him with a cross counter, a high level technique that he completely mastered just after seeing once. Was able to blitz Aoyama despite getting blitzed by him during the beginning of their fight. Can get better as the fight progresses.
• Joe is capable of mimicking techniques through simple observation even after just a single viewing. He was able to perfectly copy the cross counter just after seeing once. He copied Aoyama high level hit and run techniques through simple observation, Aoyama skills were on a such high level that not even Rikiishi was sure he could deal with them. He also copied Aoyama konnyaku techniques, while punch drunk, just by remembering it. Joe was able to copy Carlos Rivera's hidden elbow smash attack something that's difficult for the average boxer even see. Used Harimau's own acrobatic fighting style against him. Copied Jose Mendoza's advanced corkscrew punches, a high level punch. Joe even used some of Mendoza's other techniques against him.
• Joe is repeatedly stated to be a fighting genius by Danpei, who is pretty damn smart himself when it comes to boxing. Joe learned how to do a effective footwork, block and even a high level sway all by himself, he also developed the no-guard stance by his own. He is capable of coming up with unorthodox strategies to win even in the heat of the moment and is a master at using ropes to his advantage, he used the ropes to land a cross counter on Rikiishi, managed to caught Pinang Sarawak off guard by using the ropes, Joe was even able to use the ropes not only to counter Harimau acrobatic attacks but also as way to make him fall of the ring in a perfectly legal way. Joe is also an excellent counter puncher, he was able to knock out a large number of Juveniles using the cross counter, created the triple cross counter during his fight with Wolf, was able to counter Harimau's unpredictable acrobatic fighting style. During his fight against Jose Mendoza, Joe was able to completely negate Jose's defense which everyone thought was perfect, Joe was also able to understand the whole secret behind Jose's shoulder grip trick, Joe even managed to land a cross counter and a triple cross counter on Mendoza, despite being punch drunk and completely blind in one eye. Joe is also capable of mastering high level techniques with relative ease.
• He Could hit Jose Mendoza multiple times despite Mendoza being completely sure that he dodged his punches, and even though José was seeing Joe's arm clearing missing his head, Joe punches were actually hitting him, even after José began to explore his blind eye to slip his punches, Joe was still able to hit him numerous times, with Mendoza still not knowing how.
• Joe was able to keep fighting while unconscious multiple times during the series, instinctively dodge a uppercut from Rikiishi, often utilizes his mental effort on planning strategies rather than using to perform his offensive/defensive moves.
• Joe's instincts warns him when his opponent is about to do something deadly.
• While preparing for a fight, Joe can develop new techniques and strategies that are proven to be effective to counter his opponents fighting style, he can also evolve as fighter by a good amount after training.
• Joe was able to hit Kim Young-bi multiple times during their fight, and Kim himself even admitted that his calculations failed against him. Kim is stated to be a human computer, he's always calculating his opponents next moves, he never never commits any errors during a fight or during his training, he can easily dodge all his opponent's attacks and counter them without breaking a sweat, he can read his opponent so well that he can punch them with his eyes closed, he was also able to parry multiple punches from Joe with his eyes closed too, he can accurately predict how many strikes are left to knock out an opponent, Kim can also predict the outcome of a fight by calculating, his coach describes him as boxer who foresees all possible scenarios beforehand and acts accordingly no matter what happens. Due to this, his fighting style is pratically immune to counters or lucky punches.

 

[azontr]

There's literally nobody in that category so I could honestly add him as a placeholder in 1st place.

 

[Silvervigilant]

There's literally nobody in that category so I could honestly add him as a placeholder in 1st place.

That should work

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

I ignored this thread for two seconds (several weeks) and somehow Touhou is on top

In all honesty I don't have anything against Touhou (Though Dodging Rain just seems like a blatantly bullshit feat) but I am genuinely surprised Sora is no longer at the top of Misc, lol. Ig those girl's are just built different.

 

[azontr]

Bob has been saying he's going to make a rematch to reclaim the spot, however, it seems his IRL responsibilities have delayed that.

 

[TheGatememer]

Touhou fans when you tell them that a character breathing isn't Concept Manipulation (Air is part of a UES that includes concepts, which makes that air conceptual in nature)

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Touhou fans when you tell them that a character breathing isn't Concept Manipulation (Air is part of a UES that includes concepts, which makes that air conceptual in nature)

what's this got to do with skill though

 

[TheGatememer]

what's this got to do with skill though

Concept manipulation, skill, basically the same thing on this site

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Concept manipulation, skill, basically the same thing on this site

It can be if you're manipulating the concept of skill

 

[Nehz_XZX]

It can be if you're manipulating the concept of skill

I think it would be more impressive if you were the embodiment of the concept of skill and could therefore do anything that has even remotely to do with skill.

 

[Da3ggman]

I think it would be more impressive if you were the embodiment of the concept of skill and could therefore do anything that has even remotely to do with skill.

Batman?

 

[Eclipso]

I’d like to bring to light the fact that Ben Reilly thinks Taskmaster is the worlds greatest hand to hand fighter(I think in Devil’s Reign #2?)

 

[azontr]

Taskmaster is already on the list lol, unless you want to argue him higher ?

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

further support for his ranking, really. Taskmaster is consistently stated and shown to be capable of using the techniques of, and fighting against, the best unarmed fighters in marvel (Iron Fist, for instance) so it tracks.

him truly being truly the best is debatable, but he’s certainly up there.

 

[Eclipso]

Taskmaster is already on the list lol, unless you want to argue him higher ?

Should be #1 frfrfr

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

I would argue him higher, but frankly, I would rather tie the noose than be in the same conversation as a Kingdom Hearts character.

so I’m content with top 3

 

[First_Witch]

I would argue him higher, but frankly, I would rather tie the noose than be in the same conversation as a Kingdom Hearts character.

so I’m content with top 3

Midas to the KH goons(Thats totally what he thought deep down):

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Literally me to all Kingdom Heart scalers

 

[Bobsican]

It's difficult to argue for Tasky here as his mimicry isn't too effective on stuff beyond his physical capabilities, namely stuff like flight or teleportation (of weapons).
However, he does have solid feats and stuff from what I've heard, but I'd rather get done with what I'm doing against Marisa first before going at the Marvel goons.

 

[azontr]

I don't understand why he'd need to be able to Mimic hax to be able to get a spot in a skill list lol

 

[Bobsican]

You and I have seen that often users like to just do a haxless VS thread.