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Tier 6 Fairy Tail Stuff

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Erza knightwalker has magic in her spear. Which made her also stronger it's base metaphysic of entire FT world. FT character physical state it depends on amount of Magic Power inside body. Again Edolas cleary demonstrate it at least on Natsu example.

And a Dragons a strongest physicaly agains because their "container" of MP is far higher than humans.
 
Both Mystogan and Knightwalker had durabilty feats comparable to mages despite the fact they had no magic
 
Vergil Lucifer said:
Erza knightwalker has magic in her spear. Which made her also stronger it's base metaphysic of entire FT world. FT character physical state it depends on amount of Magic Power inside body. Again Edolas cleary demonstrate it at least on Natsu example.

And a Dragons a strongest physicaly agains because their "container" of MP is far higher than humans.
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Knightwalker was still going toe to toe with Scarlet even though her spear was destroyed
 
@triforcepower1 The way you worded your comment sounded like you were referring to Irene using U1, which she cast to by time for Zeref, not August's suicide spell which didn't have any clear reason for being used (beyond Hiro getting August out of the picture).
 
Delta3000 said:
@homu
Acno is resistant to and can absorb magic so he would/could have large country dura against magic but much lower dura against everything else.
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No one, including August knew that Acnologia was immune or resistant to magic, He still thought he would never win, but Zeref with Fairy Heart could
 
Homu Sweet Homu said:
Yeah, still no to the High 6-B Natsu and FH Zeref. August feat is his own, due to the mechanic of the spell. Having more magic power is not a good reason to scale it to Zeref and Natsu. You gotta show something like countering the spell, just like Erza did to Irene High 6-C meteor.
Not sure about Dragon Acno tho, since I doubt August can even kills him even with suicide attack, as it were implied that even Etherion won't be enough to put him down.
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That's exactly how the Fairy Tail world works, though, Having more magic allows you to be stronger and therefore destroy more, emotion is tied to power, the reason people win fights in fairy tail, is because they're emotions get bigger, and therefore their Magic Gets bigger and then they're stronger, August Used all his magic to try and destroy Fiore, Zeref is naturally stronger than August, however some people don't believe this is enough to scale to the attack, which I agree, however you then give Zeref Fairy Heart, which on it's own can fire Etherion at least once, which needed the power of the entire magic council, I can't see how he doesn't scale to the suicide attack
 
1) Prove it. the only people surprised by his power set were those we knew for a fact did not know. 2) Irene, igneel and co fought or at least saw acno in action during the dragon war so they would know his powers and likely would have told others. 3) That could have been why he thought he could never win, as magic res would render August's hax useless.
 
1) you're right I can't prove it, but why would August say that Zeref with Fairy Heart, could beat Acnologia, if he knew he way immune to magic, Zeref, said that he never told anyone about Neo Eclipse so it wasn't that August knew Zeref would win by technicality.

2) Irene MIGHT have saw him, fair enough, however how does that mean she knew he was immune to magic, We only knew that Acnologia was immune to magic because he said, so and that was 400 years ago when Irene was still young, plus she also seemed confident Zeref with Fairy Heart could defeat Acnologia too

3) See my earlier points
 
Also, Acnologia on his own should just scale to Etherion, Many people think they NEED it to beat him, also 400 years ago in his HUMAN Form, he beat both sides of the Dragon King Festival, on his own, and he was the only survivor, meaning he soloed almost all the dragons, which is insane, and he's gotten far stronger, so definitely he should scale
 
1) Well if I were fh powered zeref I would use Acno's magic absorption against him by feeding him magic till he overloaded and exploded (we know acno can overload because he became unstable after eating the ROT). Additionally Zeref's death magic has a history of killing what ever absorbs it like Natsu's scarf and Ultear's orb.

2) No she definitely saw him, one of her flash backs shows her on the same battle field morning her friends as he's several hundred feet away laughing to himself have just killed all those dragons in front of her; safe bet she saw his magic and would know his abilities.
 
1) While that first Idea is funny, probably not what they were planning, as for the death Magic thing, I honestly myself have no idea whether or not the death magic would work on Acnologia, however August and Irene believed Fairy Heart was needed to power Zeref to defeat him, since they both did not know his plan, so I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume Acnologia and FH Zeref are not that far apart in power

2) You're right I forgot that
 
Probably not and we will unfortunately never know because Hiro went with power acno up + friendship punch. instead of some thing smart like: hitting him with motion sickness inducing magic and keeping him immobilised till he died of starvation (This should work because Acno was affected by the destruction of the anti motion sickness orb on the Christina); Amping Zeref to the point were he was physically stronger than Acno then Zeref just beats him to death; however they intended to use Larcade. this plan implies that Acno might not be resistant to every type of magic, assuming that they knew Larcade's magic would work which would require them to have a very high familiarity with acno's abilities or that Larcade can bypass magic resistance.
 
I forgot about Larcade...

Wait that means that they probably didn't know about his magic resistance since, Larcade definitely uses Magic, and it's just a litttle more unbelievable to assume he can bypass magic resistance, More than likely Zeref didn't know about the resistance, which means probably everyone didn't, which means either Irene didn't tell anyone, or She didn't know, most likely the latter
 
Possible, but I think it is far more likely that Acno isn't resistant to every type of magic and that Zeref and co know this and they consequently gave larcade a magic they knew would work. There are after all two magics that worked on Acno without him displaying any resistance, universe one and anti motion sickness, and one of them was in the possession of team Zeref. so there being more magics like this and one of them being larcade's is rather feasible.
 
Maybe, but Universe One wasn't an offensive magic, and wasn't used on Acnologia, it was used on Fiore, so it moved him far away, but didn't damage him, as for the anti Motion Sickness device, That is another non offensive type magic, and it's more of an enhancement, Motion sickness is a physical thing all Dragon slayers, and most likely Dragons have, so That isn't much of an Argument, but regardless I think Acnologia should scale to Etherion, for the fact that Many characters, said that they NEEDED it to take out Acnologia
 
Why do those magics being a non offensive/damaging magic make a difference? they still worked on him; with U1 preventing his return for like two days and given how fast he is he must have been teleported a very long way or something magical was preventing him from re-entering Fiore, both of those meaning the magic affected him; And the anti motion sickness magic undeniably affected him.

I agree he could scale to etherion but like I said before he would be more durable against magic regardless of if anybody knew about his magic resistance or not.
 
I'm just saying that most likely Larcade's magic can not bypass magic resistance, and therefore Zeref Probably didn't know about Acnologia's resistance, and August neither, so FH Zeref and Acnologia should scale to the suicide attack, along with the fact they are close to Etherion in power
 
In official translate he is "Dragon of Magic" and it's more logical since his previous statement was about is abilitiy to eat any magic.

Dragon Scale basicaly could resist Zeref curse, remember Natsu scarf.

There is no proof he could eat Zeref Demon's curses which is different from magic and use any sourse of power and antimagic is not work agains curses

Knightwalker was still going toe to toe with Scarlet even though her spear was destroyed

Erza was run out of magic too lol, it's not proof
 
And so even with Fairy Heart the only point Zeref see to defeat Acno it's timetravel to the years where Acno is not so strong. So Zeref FH is weaker than pre-RoT Acno
 
Vergil Lucifer said:
And so even with Fairy Heart the only point Zeref see to defeat Acno it's timetravel to the years where Acno is not so strong. So Zeref FH is weaker than pre-RoT Acno
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While that is true, he mostly wanted to time travel so he wouldn't be immortal anymore, he didn't care about beating him in the current time, since he was just going to go back in time, and many heavily state that FH Zeref is at least comparable to Acnologia, which should be enough to scale, Just because Zeref Didn't want to fight Acnologia, doesn't mean that he couldn't
 
@vergil Lucifer Actually Natsu's scarf died and had to be cleansed/revived by Wendy when struck with zeref's curse. And given the divine origin of Zeref's curse Acno might not be able to (fully) resist or absorb it much like natsu was unable to properly resist or absorb Zancrow's god flames.
 
@DemonGodMitchAubin, actually Zeref partialy lied to Spriggans that with FH he could defeat Acno because all he wanted is use FH combine with RoT to time travel. And in FH form he still weaker than Dragon Forse Natsu (in power output) which is cleary weaker than Pre-RoT Acno.
 
Not true, Zeref with FH is way stronger than DF Natsu, that Natsu completely destroyed his Body, and he felt no pain and Was completely fine, he then one shot Natsu, however after POF Natsu is able to damage and Incapacitae Zeref, Also Fairy Heart gives a huge boost in power, it alone can power etherion, which is a Large Country Attack. However that does not mean That it takes a large Country amount of magic to power the energy, however it does need a lot of power, so give one of the most powerful mages alive, who is stronger than August, who can destroy a large country, with his magic output, another huge boost in power, he should scale to Etherion and therefore Acnologia

August and Irene, who are two of the most powerful and intelligent characters in the manga, Believed FH + Zeref could rival acnologia in power, I'm not saying he could win, Acnologia is still probably Stronger, however I don't think Zeref, even if he had equal power to Acnologia, wanted to fight him, his main goal was to get rid of his immortality, that's the real reason he wanted to Time travel, and have an easier time fighting Acnologia
 
Also Acnologia alone should just scale to Etherion, since basically everyone thought they NEED it to defeat Acnologia
 
It doesn't mean was he feel pain or not actually. His body was been destroing COMPLETELY. That alone is proof that in power output DF Natsu is stronger. And then ge kill base Natsu which is run out of magic. That feat is comparable with killing usual 10-A human. DF Natsu > Zeref FH. Zeref not actually become stronger. He still has his limited power output. He cannot release an attack with infinite power. And Zeref himself stated that he is no match for Acno even with Mavis.
 
@Vergil

Erza and.....Erza were both able to survive the fall from their island just fine without magic

And also FH Zeref One Shot DF Natsu without problem, something he couldn't do before without death magic.
 
1) Zeref just stood there and let his guard down and let himself be completely open, and Natsu still didn't stop him 2) Natsu without Magic is was stronger than 10-A, with just a physical punch, he destroyed a building 3) FH Zeref>DF Natsu, Dragon Force Natsu with all his power couldn't Stop a Zeref who just let him use his full power 4) Yes he can not release an attack of infinite Power 5) He said he was no Match without Mavis, and once again he mainly wanted to use Neo Eclipse to get rid of his curse, if he wanted to fight Acnologia in Current time, he could probably put up a good fight, but Zeref doesn't gain anything from this, which is why he doesn't do it 6) I'm saying Zeref FH>Acnologia, I'm saying they should be comparable in power, anyways both of them should scale to Etherion and August's Suicide Attack
 
And also FH Zeref One Shot DF Natsu without problem, something he couldn't do before without death magic.

Base* Natsu. He is went out of his DF after attack because of run out of magic. He let him destroy himself because he know that whatever Natsu do now he cannot defeat him because of his space-time manipulation's. It doesn't mean he is stronger. Natsu destroy him and made it without PoF. Fact of the manga.
 
He was unfazed, after the attack, yes it destroyed his body, but that's only because Zeref let him, by dropping his guard, Zeref Laughed at DF Natsu thinking he could defeating him in power, but was Shocked, amazed even that Savage Dragon Fire Natsu (POF) was able to defeat him on an astral and insane level

Also people forget Zeref had the power of the ROT when he also had Fairy Heart, so more Proof he scales to Etherion and Acnologia
 
Vergil Lucifer said:
And also FH Zeref One Shot DF Natsu without problem, something he couldn't do before without death magic.

Base* Natsu. He is went out of his DF after attack because of run out of magic. He let him destroy himself because he know that whatever Natsu do now he cannot defeat him because of his space-time manipulation's. It doesn't mean he is stronger. Natsu destroy him and made it without PoF. Fact of the manga.
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Natsu was still in DF after using his FDK Demolition Fist
 
Wow he was, you can barely tell, but he still has the scales he was still in Dragon Force
 
I am going to make another argument Acnologia has been stated many times stated that Etherion is Necessary for him to be defeated so he should scale to that, also being stronger than the suicide Attack Zeref has Fairy Heart and the Ravines of Time in his possession when he went through his transformation. The reason we say Acnologia with the Ravines of Time scales to Etherion because he has the ravines of time, which is comparable in power to Etherion, So why doesn't Zeref scale, he uses the ravines of time power, he doesn't have time magic because of FH, he has it because of ROT, he should scale Natsu manages on his own with his "Savage Dragon Fire" to overpower this Zeref who is powered by both the ROT and FH, in one on one combat

How do they all not scale to Large Country Level
 
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