Rush is the same. There's a tear in the space-time continuum and they're directly said later on to merge the two universes together. Their quote about transcending dimensions seems more like it would crossover and effect both Blaze and Sonic's world rather than create some super-dimensional space.
Sure?
I’m not, Eggman’s artificial space would also be a limited degree of 5-D via containing four dimensional space+time.
I mean, you're agreeing with me then. It's about them destroying th3 walls between worlds and making a super Eggmanland. Not about making some transcendent super-space.
The artificial space is just a non-universal 4D space. 5D would require it being universal in size along with having a higher time dimension. I'm not seeing 5D for any of the dream worlds personally.
It’s not. The plan was to let both universes be destroyed entirely, not fusing them together to make the new Eggmanland.
Well the maze space itself does contain trappings of a stellar cosmology as well. But the dream part is due to the fact that whenever a wish occurs, that wish is considered a dream, and the dream is created by the Precioustone as a tangible world to match whatever the dreamer was dreaming about. So, if someone had a dream about a 5-D world, then the dream would match that scope. It’s important because these super-dimensional or transcendent spaces Eggman created (the Ruby dimension in particular being stated as infinite scope) are either explicitly or implicitly confirmed to be dreams of his, which means they would show up in Maginaryworld.
They were causing a tear in both universes, with an in-game tracker even telling you the overlap percentages. In addition their previous back and forth was about the Chaos and Sol Emeralds being like magnetic poles and how they're specially linked together. This is a dimensional merger and creation fest. Not a 5D dimension feat.
His dream of an Eggmanland is two universes merging together and the idea that its 5D is based on a rather large set of assumptions that I don't see being resonable.
Most I really see is 2-A if you're being generous with it. 5D is reliant on stuff not backed by any statements and is relying a series of increasing assumptions.
It wasn't, in Rush the universe would not merge together at all, they would both be deatroyed, the point of the game is that as the emeralds attract eachother, both of the worlds would also be attracted, generating an explossive reaction that would destrpy both worlds
Yeah I tried arguing against this as well but apparently it’s accepted so
There's literally an indicator telling you how much of their worlds were merged. It's a universal merging feat, the entire plot was about combining the universes, having them blow up because of the Emeralds interacting with each other and then making an Eggmanland from that combined space.
Which is the plot of the game. They're building an Eggmanland that would crossover in both universes. The Kanji for transcend in this context isn't talking about +1D transcendence. It's about how they're breaking down the walls between two seperate universes.
It's an assumption to say that Eggman's creations should scale beyond a comic feat and that those two separate instances mean that CS is 5th Dimensional. I just don't see that being more plausible over it being 2-A or 2-B and fitting the criteria anyways.
That counter has nothing to do with Eggmanland. Eggmanland is only at the very end in the final stage, and it’s stated to be one beyond the scope of both of Sonic and Blaze’s world. We’re never told at any point that Eggman will combine the ruined fragments of both worlds.
The kanji also means to expand beyond something, it doesn’t have to mean creating something by merging two elements together. It being a space Eggman created with the Sol Emeralds should also put it above spaces he created without the Emeralds.
Eggman’s creations should scale beyond the comic feat because the comic feat was made with objectively inferior power sources and reality warp potential. The Ruby prototype and the Sol Emeralds are objectively among the most powerful artifacts in the series, capable of nigh limitless reality warp potential. And them existing as a dream makes sense since Maginaryworld, the source of all dreams, is itself a realm with a similar infinite 4-D+ time scope.
That was in response to the other user saying their was no universal merger.
Context wise I'm not seeing it meaning transcending Sonic and Blaze's world. Just crossing them over and from their they make Eggmanland.
So your statement about them not building off the rubble is contradicted by Eggman Nega directly.
It means to cross over, expand or go over. In this case crossing over dimensions makes more sense to me than a transcendent realm.
Eggman didn't make a 4D+1 realm. He folded space until it became a limited 4D space from what I can see in the blog. Which is still vastly inferior to making a Low 2-C/2-B/2-A space.
Because that’s just what’s supposed to happen when universes merge, it’s not directly connected to Eggmanland.
And with the context of the Sol Emeralds doing it, it could just as easily be a transcendent realm. Especially since Eggman Nega’s dialogue says they will create their own world, an “Eggmanland beyond this dimension”
He didn’t fold space to make the 4-D realm, the space itself is just infinitely shifting by folding and expanding, while also happening to be 4-D. And even if it’s inferior to Low 2-C (which it probably is because the visual cosmology is MSS), the fact Eggman later makes a dimension with a similar purpose (to trap characters in an alternate world), that is called an “infinite super-other dimensional space”, made with an artifact that rivals the Chaos Emeralds that also has reality warping potential, should make Otherworld more legitimate as a uni sized 4-D space+time. And if that doesn’t work, Eggman still dreamed of creating a physics breaking 4-D space that would someday fully trap Sonic, meaning that dream would be contained in Cyberspace (as the wish wasn’t fulfilled by the events of Test Run, which is before Frontiers). Cyberspace is uni sized at least, given it has absorbed data from across the universe to add to itself for 10,000 years, so it contains a universe’s worth of 4-D space+time, hence 5-D.
Then, by all means, Cyberspace should still be 5-D. Since it embeds multiple Low 2-C dream worlds. I was simply going off the idea that because it contains Eggman’s 5-D dreams manifested into reality, the realm itself is 5-D.
The superdimensional space I was referring to was Eggman’s Otherworld. Solaris is a different thing where he transcends the cosmology.
There wouldn't be any space afterwards, both universes would have been destroyed, there wouldn't be any space from the universes left for the Eggmen to alter
The destruction of the universes would lead directly into them using the Sol and Chaos Emeralds to remake the space. They're harnessing that energy to make their Eggmanland.
They are the ones causing the universes to merge. The entire plot of the game was them trying to get both emerald sets and then trying to use them to make a new universe for Eggmanland. They aren't creating a 5th Dimensional space in my view.
It's a byproduct of them wanting to use both Emeralds. They'll merge the universes and use the emeralds to then make the nee Eggmanland.
I've already covered my stance on this and nothing provided has changed my view. This just seems like a dimensional merging feat turned into a universe creation feat. Not a 5D creation feat.
I don't see that a valid reasoning for Otherworld being 5D. The other dimensional space is primarily an "Other" not a transcendent space above the standard universes.
Containing Low 2-C spaces doesn't make it Low 1-C unless you can prove they occupy an infinitesimal portion of it.
I’m just gonna leave it by saying there is no direct evidence Eggman would create the new realm from the ashes of the old one, and Emeralds/their comparable artifacts have been used to create alternate worlds before (Cyberspace is the obvious example). So Eggman creating an entirely separate world instead of using a template is feasible.
Because it doesn’t really make sense for a super-dimensional space made by the Phantom Ruby of infinite size, to be smaller than an MSS space Eggman created with his base tech (which is almost always inferior to the Chaos Emeralds, hence why he searches for them all the time), especially when both Otherworld and the maze were made to trap base characters, and Otherworld was far more successful in terms of that goal (doing so for a month instead of just a couple hours like the maze).
Exactly what is infinitesimal in this context? The entire realm contains endless/infinite data, and each of the individual dream realms and cyber realms that occupy Maginaryworld visibly do not take up the entirety of the space, as we never actually see them in-game despite exploring many facets of Cyberspace through the game’s boost stages.
Where are you getting "remake" from? There wouldn't be any space in the universes to remake, as the space time of both would have been gone
No they are not, the merging in happening even when both do not even the emeralds, in fact Eggman Nega never even had any emeralds until the final boss, and Eggman lost 1 by 1 after each boss battle
He agreed with possibly 6D Unanchored solaris dimension aswell
Well, worlds that contain infinite darkness are existing inside, but are not visible at any point, in what we see of Cyberspace, and the realm itself is endless in scope.
Thoughts on Overlord scaling to the highest tier?
He already agreed with that, he had an exchange with Clover
Eggman said the chance of victory with the Chaos Emeralds was slim and would still be a miracle thing. So overall I wouldn't be against it.
Point in time doesn’t matter considering we scale PDG and Nega Mother Wisp below Solaris. And pretty much every other boss in the series can at least be damaged by the super form on their own. Overlord can’t. Pretty much every other super form boss doesn’t require characters to buy time and charge up before entering the super state like Overlord did. And if we want to be pedantic, the single timeline means that Heroes takes place after Classic’s stint with the Time Eater.
Where is that shown? I have a problem with your other arguments, but if you can prove this, then I agree.
To add, in order to damage Metal Overlord you can't use normal attacks. Only a team attack from all three at once will do any damage.
He aprimorated the data up to this level
