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Sonic Cosmology part 3: The End of Magingelion
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I sorta feel like the Solaris thing should come another time as it would probably drag out this thread, as this thread is more who scales to 5D and where in 5D they would scale
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Um sorry for the repeat, but could someone please answer my question about NiGHTs and Wizeman potentially scaling to this ? They both previously scaled to the cosmology when the Supers and those affected got upgraded, but I'm just making sure.
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I believe so tbh. It's a lot less solid imo mainly because 5-D is stemming primarily from Maginaryworld, and I don't know much about NiGHTS scaling myself.
If it IS accepted, something like "2-B to 2-A, possibly Low 1-C" could work. I'd recommend talking to @Mephistus, I know he's invested in the verse enough to do calcs for it.
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The scaling in JJ's blog seems self-explanatory. I agree on that front. Honestly, looking at all the evidence, I question why Metal Overlord wasn't scaled to the Emeralds' full power from the start...
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Overlord scaling is under the pretense Light Man’s rating is all scaling, if he has his own feat then I’m not as sure.
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i mean......Sonic needed to charge the power of the emeralds for a long time before fighting him, and even after that they were utterly surprised with how powerful he was
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Oh, you mean the “buying time” part? Yeah maybe.
But Eggman also charged his Ruby for a month before fighting Super Sonic so maybe there is more precedent for Eggman.
But Eggman also charged his Ruby for a month before fighting Super Sonic so maybe there is more precedent for Eggman.
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OP seems straightforward. Agree with the changes.
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Can you give a list, I suggested a lot of changes.
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She agreed with all of them, that is what "i agree with the OP" means
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Alright then.
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Btw i think the 6D solaris thing should probably be added op, cause thats pretty important
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Mmhmm done that.
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Waiting for Prime to finish before any 2-C upgrades.
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Btw do the hax gain 6D potency or just 6D range
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I guess whatever you get from working on being who are on the sixth dimensional level of the hierarchy, assuming that’s what happens.
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That'd be 6D potency, could be range but not sure.
The new rules on smurf hax are rather confusing.
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Is Solaris 6D in size or just exist in a 6D area?
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Latter.
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Just wait for more staff to respond, guys.
I'd recommend going to the walls of DarkDragonMedeus (one of the few staff supporters of Sonic) and maybe any other staff that appeared minus Qaw since that idea seems to be torture to him
I'd recommend going to the walls of DarkDragonMedeus (one of the few staff supporters of Sonic) and maybe any other staff that appeared minus Qaw since that idea seems to be torture to him
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It's still there
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Theres a discussion thread for a damn reason
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This doesn't really make sense to me. Since the blog itself is arguing that the Tesseract space isn't something the normal universe would scale to.
The second one is arguing that they transcend dimensions, which I can sorta get but the plot of Sonic Rush was the two Eggmen working together to make an Eggmanland rather than some transcendent realm and I find the idea of scaling these two robots to the super-dimensional quotes with Solaris to be incredibly flimsy.
I'm okay with these two suggestions.
EDIT: If anything I would actually say anything scaling to Super-Dimensional or above the standard multiverse space would be 5D. Based on it being above the infinite versions of the sonic universe and all the dreams.
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Yeah that's pretty weird overall. Metal Sonic copied Perfect Chaos, Shadow, Sonic and everyone else. Then had a prolonged fight with a boosted Sonic, Knuckles and Tails.
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It’s something that Eggman made himself by warping the laws of physics, and that was with technology and power sources inferior to what he would have used to create these “transcendent” or “super-dimensional” spaces. So I’m suggesting them being 4-dimensional in space like Eggman’s maze because of that.
The Eggmanland is the transcendent space, it’s just that because of it also being a part of Eggman’s dream, it also exists within Maginaryworld and Cyberspace, as those locations also contain Eggman’s dreams and memories.
But that doesn’t make sense, Maginaryworld by itself is 5-D, anything transcendent of it would just be more 5-D. I’m just arguing more spaces are 5-D based on them being infinite 4-D spatial Eggman creations with a time component, since it doesn’t make sense for superdimensional or transcending dimension spaces made with artifacts on par with the full power of the Chaos Emeralds to be lower dimensionality than a random maze created to trap base Sonic. Especially when Eggman has seen and understood fourth dimensional space firsthand due to Shuffle.
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Warping a universe into something else would already be superior to a tesseract. I don't think it would imply adding a random geometric axis to anything.
The quote comes from Sonic Rush Adventure doesn't it? The plot of that game was them using the Wizard to make an Eggmanland out of Blaze's dimension. Meaning they're Warping an existing space rather than creating one wholesale. In addition the quote about them transcending dimensions was because they were talking about the Chaos and Sol Emeralds and the barrier between worlds.
If anything I take that as more of a 2-C showing, where the Egg Wizard will combine the two dimensions together and then make Eggmanland.
Well, yeah. Which is what I said. They're Solaris and those who scale to it should probably be Low 1-C.
They aren't a lower dimensionality. Even in your own example they're a tier higher.
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As in Possibly 6D is fine (at least for range/hax potency?)
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Possibly 6D for being > Maginaryland works I think.
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Former and latter
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The Egg Salamander is from Sonic Rush, not Rush Adventure. The quote is from Sonic Rush.
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True, it’s just the addition of the super-dimensional or “transcending dimensions” aspect that makes me believe it’s not just warping a universe.
Multiple people already said it, but yes this quote is from the original Rush. It’s the Japanese version of the Eggmen saying they would make a new Eggmanland “beyond” Sonic and Blaze’s world.
So you agree that MW is 5-D, but not Cyberspace or the hypothetical Rush Eggmanland or the Otherworld Comedy Ruby dimension?
You clipped this ooc, I’m saying these superdimensional areas should be the same dimensionality as the maze due to using superior technology and power sources to Eggman’s maze, and said power sources being capable of grand scale reality warping that meets the same requirements as Eggman’s 4-D space maze warping physics.
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Well the Kanji used is 越え. Just looking at it being used in some sentences:
What I'm seeing is that the word means to cross over, exceed, or to expand beyond something. The plot of the game and its ending leads me to believe that what they're saying isn't that they're going to make an Eggmanland that is a dimensional tier higher, but one that breaks the barrier between universes and merges the two. The entire point of the ending of both games was that Eggman and Eggman Nega were going to fuse the realms together.
Yes.
They are the same dimensionality though and are even in a larger scale. What you're arguing is that they're an uncountable infinity higher.
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That is not the case, you are thinking of Rush Adventure, in the first Sonic Rush the Eggmen would let the 2 worlds get destroyed and then create the Eggman land
Altho by your description, would it be a range upgrade pherhaps?
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