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Sanji vs Law: North Blue Boys Face Off

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TheMonkeMan said:
Yeah that's what I told Kachon, Queen is a doofus who gets distracted easily. He's intelligent but has a short attention span.
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Yeah, some people say it was a bad plot excuse, but Queen doing that is really in-character. Dude's an eccentric scumbag.

Unlike the Zoro vs King fight, where King lost 50 IQ points.

He could've just stayed Zoan/Hybrid with flames on and exhausted Zoro.

He could've used his OP explosions to kill Zoro.

The only possible explanation besides plot for why he stopped using the flames on his back was due to a combination of his stamina draining (which he stated himself) plus him panicking that Zoro knew his weakness.
 
Eseseso said:
Yeah, some people say it was a bad plot excuse, but Queen doing that is really in-character. Dude's an eccentric scumbag.

Unlike the Zoro vs King fight, where King lost 50 IQ points.

He could've just stayed Zoan/Hybrid with flames on and exhausted Zoro.

He could've used his OP explosions to kill Zoro.

The only possible explanation besides plot for why he stopped using the flames on his back was due to a combination of his stamina draining (which he stated himself) plus him panicking that Zoro knew his weakness.
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I think once Zoro knew his weakness and broke his mask off he just went balls to the wall and started throwing things at the wall to see what stuck ( like when Katakuri's face was revealed and he threw a hissy fit ).
 
SnookB said:
Any awakened Wille will mess him up. Radio knife, Gamma knife.
Sanji is admittedly much faster but unlike Queen Law's got at least reasonable Kenbun to somewhat track/predict where Sanji will be. Fighting inside Room would have Sanji facing off against basically an entire environment being thrown at him while having to fight Law as well (and we know Law likes throwing shit based on his fight with Kaido/Doflamingo)
Sanji's only Wincon is hitting law enough times to put him down- and considering the big difference between Yonko-tier and Scabbard-scale 6A's, that won't happen easily. Not with Law's hax either.

Law just has far more wincons. My vote's staying the same
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I agree.

And my vote's also staying the same.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
Didn't Law cut Misery? I'm sure Sanji's flames aren't a big problem to him.
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What?

Kachon was talking about a Fire Kick not a Fire Puppet, how does this helps Law at all? I don't remember Misery even touching Law to begin with (that fight was months ago so i may be wrong) so how would you even scale Misery's potency to Law's heat resistance?
 
XDragnoir said:
What?

Kachon was talking about a Fire Kick not a Fire Puppet, how does this helps Law at all? I don't remember Misery even touching Law to begin with (that fight was months ago so i may be wrong) so how would you even scale Misery's potency to Law's heat resistance?
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It's still cutting fire, dude.
 
SnookB said:
Not sure how much Sanji can keep regenerating with how consistently deadly Law's dura neg attacks are even excluding Awakening (Gamma/Radio knife), and any Wille will mess him up big time per hit.
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About this, deadly in which world? Because in OP not even fodder like Doffy died to his dura neg, indeed he healed without any trouble at all without even having regen.

Also, when did Law fry Big Mom's organs? Someone else said this above but i don't remember this at all.

TheMonkeMan said:
It's still cutting fire, dude.
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And how exactly will he cut Ifrit if Sanji is way faster than him and much smaller of a target than misery?

Regardless, we aren't denying at all that he could cut Ifrit (i don't want to enter the haki layers debate at all), but you know very well that Sanji can just create another Ifrit later and this still doesn't answer how good is Law's resistance to heat for when he gets hit (and he will)
 
Also, people are forgetting his Awakening isn't like his basic room, his sword doesn't have as much AOE outside of it's massive length so hitting Sanji with it will be hard af, given he is nearly 5x smaller than Linlin, way more agile than her, can fly and is much faster.
 
XDragnoir said:
Also, people are forgetting his Awakening isn't like his basic room, his sword doesn't have as much AOE outside of it's massive length so hitting Sanji with it will be hard af, given he is nearly 5x smaller than Linlin, way more agile than her, can fly and is much faster.
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Sure, but he also hit Blackbeard who's tall but not as big as Big Mom or Kaidou.
 
Also, if he gets a single Awakening attack, which may happen at some point yes, he isn't killing Sanji with it alone due to endurance and regen.

And if he gives his biggest trump card away like that, against a faster opponent, he will not get a second hit, Kenbu+Agility+Flight+Speed ensure that.
 
XDragnoir said:
Also, if he gets a single Awakening attack, which may happen at some point yes, he isn't killing Sanji with it alone due to endurance and regen.

And if he gives his biggest trump card away like that, against a faster opponent, he will not get a second hit, Kenbu+Agility+Flight+Speed ensure that.
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I'm playing a game rn so I can't give any detailed descriptions of why this is wrong, but I'm just gonna say he tagged Big Mom Blackbeard and Kaidou who are faster than Sanji and have better reactions and Observation than him.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
I'm playing a game rn so I can't give any detailed descriptions of why this is wrong, but I'm just gonna say he tagged Big Mom Blackbeard and Kaidou who are faster than Sanji and have better reactions and Observation than him.
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Big Mom doesn't dodge 99% of the attacks, same goes to Kaido, while Blackbeard wasn't aware of what that sword would do.

Also, when it comes to Kaido you can remove any hit he gave to the massive Dragon Form and any hit he got while Kaido was targeting someone else, Kaido also always made it clear when he was or wasn't using Kenbu (which is twice iirc, thrice if we count when he dodged Zoro's attack).

It really amuses me how you are trying to use characters that are the "hit me with everything you've got" type to say Law can hit someone that he won't even be able to see.
 
XDragnoir said:
Big Mom doesn't dodge 99% of the attacks, same goes to Kaido, while Blackbeard wasn't aware of what that sword would do.

Also, when it comes to Kaido you can remove any hit he gave to the massive Dragon Form and any hit he got while Kaido was targeting someone else, Kaido also always made it clear when he was or wasn't using Kenbu (which is twice iirc, thrice if we count when he dodged Zoro's attack).

It really amuses me how you are trying to use characters that are the "hit me with everything you've got" type to say Law can hit someone that he won't even be able to see.
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Blackbeard would have still tried to dodge though, it's common sense. He isn't stupid.
Also Law ganked Kaidou in the throat lol. He doesn't let someone wail on him without at least blocking or countering.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
Why are we even talking about speed? It doesn't matter if Sanji is faster or not, Law can just teleport around.
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It takes more time to teleport than it takes for Sanji to hit Law with DJ or Ifrit.

And speed is more going to help avoid his shit anyway, but it will still let Sanji hit him several times, just like that combo against Queen at the end.
 
XDragnoir said:
Also, can someone list the reasons everyone is voting Law?
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His AP is higher ( severely injured and later stopped Big Mom getting up, and injured Blackbeard and Kaidou ).
Durability/Endurance is higher (took hits from a life-amped angered big mom, and this is after taking other hits from her and Kaidou, and was still able to deliver some devastating finishers to her ).
He can teleport and block Sanji's attacks via moving the terrain in front of him to act as a shield
He can shock and cripple Sanji with his attacks ( sure Sanji will regen but Law isn't just going to watch him regen while he clips his toenails or something )
etc.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
His AP is higher ( severely injured and later stopped Big Mom getting up, and injured Blackbeard and Kaidou ).
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When did he injure them without dura neg?
TheMonkeMan said:
Durability/Endurance is higher (took hits from a life-amped angered big mom, and this is after taking other hits from her and Kaidou, and was still able to deliver some devastating finishers to her ).
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Most of these are dura feats, he didn't keep fight with broken bones and the like as far as we know.
TheMonkeMan said:
He can teleport and block Sanji's attacks via moving the terrain in front of him to act as a shield
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Bruh, that's a really minor advantage, but okay.
TheMonkeMan said:
He can shock and cripple Sanji with his attacks ( sure Sanji will regen but Law isn't just going to watch him regen while he clips his toenails or something )
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His dura neg attacks don't cripple anyone, Blackbeard was literally fighting no problems after receiving one close to his heart. That is, if he can tag Sanji.

Also, Sanji was literally moving before his bones and organs regenerated after Snakueen so i fail to see how a single Shock Wille would cripple him beyond the extent he can move.

And again, how good is Law's heat resistance?
 
Also, i don't want to say this, but like:

Life Amped Buso > Life Amped > Base Linlin > Zoan Queen

Ifrit > DJ+Speed > DJ > Exo Sanji > Hybrid Queen

Like, i think people think that just because she is an Yonkou she is stronger than anyone by default, but she isn't, she needs all of her amps to be at the top and she kinda didn't use the best one (Hao Coating) to strike Law at the end of their fight.
 
XDragnoir said:
When did he injure them without dura neg?
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That's... sort of the point.
His dura neg is crazy good, and the fact it could **** up Big Mom and Blackbeard's organs like that is honestly impressive.
XDragnoir said:
Also, i don't want to say this, but like:

Life Amped Buso > Life Amped > Base Linlin > Zoan Queen

Ifrit > DJ+Speed > DJ > Exo Sanji > Hybrid Queen

Like, i think people think that just because she is an Yonkou she is stronger than anyone by default, but she isn't, she needs all of her amps to be at the top and she kinda didn't use the best one (Hao Coating) to strike Law at the end of their fight.
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It doesn't matter, Life Amped and Life Amped Buso BM is better than Ifrit. Big Mom hits like a truck with those amps. Yet Law took a plethora of punches from her while she was already quite pissed at him and Kidd, not to mention he didn't even coat him self with Armament or defend at all. All this match is doing is making me realize how durable and resilient Law is, not gonna lie.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
That's... sort of the point.
His dura neg is crazy good, and the fact it could **** up Big Mom and Blackbeard's organs like that is honestly impressive.
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The problem is that you said it was his AP. Dura neg isn't AP... For obvious reasons.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
His AP is higher ( severely injured and later stopped Big Mom getting up, and injured Blackbeard and Kaidou ).
Durability/Endurance is higher (took hits from a life-amped angered big mom, and this is after taking other hits from her and Kaidou, and was still able to deliver some devastating finishers to her ).
He can teleport and block Sanji's attacks via moving the terrain in front of him to act as a shield
He can shock and cripple Sanji with his attacks ( sure Sanji will regen but Law isn't just going to watch him regen while he clips his toenails or something )
etc.
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Okay so, all in all:

The first reason is wrong because it was hax, so Sanji has higher AP.

The second is half right, Law has Dura while Sanji has Endurance, i think their Stamina is even.

The third is really minor and like everything else is solved by his superior speed and flight.

The fourth is countered by endurance and regen (in the case it actually hits).
 
XDragnoir said:
Okay so, all in all:

The first reason is wrong because it was hax, so Sanji has higher AP.

The second is half right, Law has Dura while Sanji has Endurance, i think their Stamina is even.

The third is really minor and like everything else is solved by his superior speed and flight.

The fourth is countered by endurance and regen (in the case it actually hits).
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I don't think Sanji is fast enough to stop someone from teleporting.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
I don't think Sanji is fast enough to stop someone from teleporting.
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Are you even trying?

Law's teleport isn't thought based so Sanji will be able to hit him whenever he actually tries, and when the battle gets to CqC i don't have to explain why Sanji is beating Law to... better, Sanji will be cooking Law to death, as skill and fire dura neg are on his side.
 
XDragnoir said:
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Are you even trying?

Law's teleport isn't thought based so Sanji will be able to hit him whenever he actually tries, and when the battle gets to CqC i don't have to explain why Sanji is beating Law to... better, Sanji will be cooking Law to death, as skill and fire dura neg are on his side.
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They start 20m away so that's no happening lol.
Also Law literally cut fire why do people keep grabbing up Sanji's fire attacks like Law can't cut them?
 
Because Ifrit is fire used in COMPLETELY different way from Misery. Like... i will just ignore this from now on, you're just repeating yourself.
 
Also, when did Law cut Misery? I think she appeared for a single chapter or two, so i don't want to search it.
 
XDragnoir said:
Because Ifrit is fire used in COMPLETELY different way from Misery. Like... i will just ignore this from now on, you're just repeating yourself.
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" Ermm actually the fire is used differently because it's surrounding his leg thus Law can't cut it because I said so "
What a devastating argument, I imagine you have a lot of evidence and facts to back this one too..
 
TheMonkeMan said:
" Ermm actually the fire is used differently because it's surrounding his leg thus Law can't cut it because I said so "
What a devastating argument, I imagine you have a lot of evidence and facts to back this one too..
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Boy, i never said "Law can't cut his fire" at all, stop putting words in mouth:

"And how exactly will he cut Ifrit if Sanji is way faster than him and much smaller of a target than misery?

Regardless, we aren't denying at all that he could cut Ifrit (i don't want to enter the haki layers debate at all), but you know very well that Sanji can just create another Ifrit later and this still doesn't answer how good is Law's resistance to heat for when he gets hit (and he will)"

Literally one of my first posts in the first page
 
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