Sanji vs Law: North Blue Boys Face Off

[DaMonkeMan]

Then don't talk about it. I'll count it as a concession.

The reason I'm not talking about it is because it's pretty obvious the Emperors have superior Observation and reactions than Sanji, and they tagged people far faster than him ( example: Luffy. Another example: Yamato ). It's that simple.

 

[Kachon123]

The reason I'm not talking about it is because it's pretty obvious the Emperors have superior Observation and reactions than Sanji, and they tagged people far faster than him ( example: Luffy. Another example: Yamato ). It's that simple.

Niether of them are faster than Sanji (Luffy possibly faster).

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

I'm not even gonna talk about how this is one of the most idiotic statements I've ever heard about powerscaling.

Blackbeard doesn’t really scale anywhere in terms of speed meanwhile Sanji speed ≈ Admirals due to him being faster than Marco who can match all 3 admirals in combat

 

[Kachon123]

meanwhile Sanji speed ≈ Admirals due to him being faster than Marco who can match all 3 admirals in combat

Sanji's speed vastly surpasses that of the Admirals.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Niether of them are faster than Sanji (Luffy possibly faster).

I'm pretty sure the Emperors are faster than Sanji, and Yamato and Luffy are reasonably faster than him too for tagging said Emperors.

Blackbeard doesn’t really scale anywhere in terms of speed

Yeah I guess he doesn't, perhaps the Blackbeard part isn't valid, but he still tagged Big Mom and Kaidou who are FAR faster than Sanji.

 

[Kachon123]

I'm pretty sure the Emperors are faster than Sanji

Based on?

FAR faster than Sanji

Based on?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Based on?

Based on?

 

[Kachon123]

This isn't showing me anything. Even without using a scaling chain, Sanji's is still higher.

Kaido: FTL, higher, far higher.
Sanji: FTL, higher, far higher, even higher.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

This isn't showing me anything. Even without using a scaling chain, Sanji's is still higher.

Kaido: FTL, higher, far higher.
Sanji: FTL, higher, far higher, even higher.

We only see him use his moves on Queen who's reactions and Observation are donkey excrement. Meanwhile Kaidou could speed blitz and dodge Luffy who's faster than Sanji and has better Observation.

 

[Kachon123]

Luffy who's faster than Sanji

Proof?

has better Observation.

Proof that Luffy's base Observation is better than Sanji's? (Luffy never used Future Sight during his fight with Kaido outside of that one time at the beginning of the fight IIRC)

Queen who's reactions and Observation are donkey excrement

???

 

[Lynieryz]

Sanji FRA

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Proof?

Proof that Luffy's base Observation is better than Sanji's? (Luffy never used Future Sight during his fight with Kaido outside of that one time at the beginning of the fight IIRC)

???

Idk what you mean by "proof", Luffy is literally reacting to Emperors and tagging them, dunno how you see that and say " Yeah, he's slower than Sanji who couldn't stop him self from getting caught and crushed by Queen ".

 

[Kachon123]

Idk what you mean by "proof", Luffy is literally reacting to Emperors and tagging them, dunno how you see that and say " Yeah, he's slower than Sanji who couldn't stop him self from getting caught and crushed by Queen ".

You continuously repeating the term 'Emperor' isn't going to automaticall prove that a character is faster and/or stronger than another. That's just not how it works.

Show me feats, a concise scaling chain, and scans that prove your claim instead of just repeating the same baseless sentences.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

You continuously repeating the term 'Emperor' isn't going to automaticall prove that a character is faster and/or stronger than another. That's just not how it works.

Show me feats, a concise scaling chain, and scans that prove your claim instead of just repeating the same baseless sentences.

Like I said, Luffy, Kaidou, and Law can react to and counter Big Mom's attacks, meanwhile a nullified Big Mom trashed Queen and he couldn't even touch her or react to her. But Sanji could get tagged by Queen and even got trapped and crushed by him once.

 

[Kachon123]

Like I said, Luffy, Kaidou, and Law can react to and counter Big Mom's attacks, meanwhile a nullified Big Mom trashed Queen and he couldn't even touch her or react to her. But Sanji could get tagged by Queen and even got trapped and crushed by him once.

Using Big Mom as a metric isn't really a smart idea.

Post Exo Ifrit Jambe > Post Exo Diable > Post Exo Base Sanji > Pre Exo Diable Sanji > Zoan Forms Queen Speed > Base Queen's Reaction speed ~ Marco's speed ~ Big Mom's speed

Just to show you how much faster Sanji is in comparison to Big Mom, Base Queen, who's slower than Hybrid Queen, could react to and follow Hybrid Marco's attacks. Hybrid Marco is comparable in speed to Big Mom. Sanji in Ifrit Jambe was able to and 10 consecutive kicks without Queen being able to respond or even show that he could react to any of them once.

Sanji is so vastly superior to Big Mom in speed that it's not even funny. Sanji is much, and I mean this with as much seriousness as I can, much faster than Law. This should not be the conversation we should be having.


And now that that is out of the way, Sanji can negate Law's hax, can regenerate from Law's durability negation, can dodge all of his attacks, can likely blitz him, can scorch him with Ifrit, and outlast him.

Does Law have anything that can put Sanji down? I really can't see it.

(Sorry for the notifs in advance, but I'd like you hear you lot's opinions, as you've voted for Law)

Voting Law.

Law

Law FRA

Law FRA

Voting Law

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Using Big Mom as a metric isn't really a smart idea.

Post Exo Ifrit Jambe > Post Exo Diable > Post Exo Base Sanji > Pre Exo Diable Sanji > Zoan Forms Queen Speed > Base Queen's Reaction speed ~ Marco's speed ~ Big Mom's speed

Just to show you how much faster Sanji is in comparison to Big Mom, Base Queen, who's slower than Hybrid Queen, could react to and follow Hybrid Marco's attacks. Hybrid Marco is comparable in speed to Big Mom. Sanji in Ifrit Jambe was able to and 10 consecutive kicks without Queen being able to respond or even show that he could react to any of them once.

Sanji is so vastly superior to Big Mom in speed that it's not even funny. Sanji is much, and I mean this with as much seriousness as I can, much faster than Law. This should not be the conversation we should be having.


And now that that is out of the way, Sanji can negate Law's hax, can regenerate from Law's durability negation, can dodge all of his attacks, can likely blitz him, can scorch him with Ifrit, and outlast him.

Does Law have anything that can put Sanji down? I really can't see it.

(Sorry for the notifs in advance, but I'd like you hear you lot's opinions, as you've voted for Law)

I'm not going to let you use that speed nonsense to bull shit your way through another thread, I was tolerable and patient enough to let you do it with the Sanji vs Marco thread but it's clear you need to be stopped before you do this with every thread involving Sanji.

First of all: Queen was already half conscious and could barely move at that point, and he was kneeling and coughing blood at some points. He basically got surprised by Sanji who still had to use a barrage of attacks to actually knock him out despite surprising him. Most of Sanji's attacks on Queen were due to Queen's incompetence or Queen being unfocused. Law isn't going to be so careless and easily-distracted, in contrast.
Second of all: Law could tag people outright stated and shown to be far stronger and faster than Sanji. Like I said, he could gank Kaidou in the throat completely unnoticed, even though Kaidou could speed blitz people like Luffy ( who has Observation stronger than Sanji's due to it being advanced ) and react to them.
And the flames should be no problem, he cut Big Mom's misery and can clash with intangible elements using Kroom.
Power isn't a problem either, and it's arguable that he has more power and strength than Sanji for clashing with Blackbeard's Gurash attack, among other feats.
Also even if Sanji can regen from Law's attacks, it's not gonna be incredibly fast, and he's gonna find it hard to move since some of his attacks fry your organs and break your arms and spine.
The Haki argument doesn't work either- Big Mom had superior Haki and couldn't stop him from using his dura neg attacks at all.
And I don't think you should ping people who have outright stated the reason for why they're voting in their messages ( most said FRA ).

 

[WrongIdea21]

Law's AP and Dura both outclass Sanji based on the scaling chain. Their Haki is comparable so in the grand scheme of things Sanji's at least not getting one-tapped by amputate
Sanji's faster, but once that Room is up Law's got teleportation range out the ass to make up for the speed difference. Not sure how much Sanji can keep regenerating with how consistently deadly Law's dura neg attacks are even excluding Awakening (Gamma/Radio knife), and any Wille will mess him up big time per hit.

Voting Law. His hax is too much for Sanji, and he's more than durable enough to take hits based on his Yonko encounters.

Law Fra

 

[DaMonkeMan]

That's 7 which I think starts Grace?

 

[Kachon123]

Law Fra

Those reasons were debunked. Will you still vote for Law?

 

[Kachon123]

Queen was already half conscious and could barely move at that point, and he was kneeling and coughing blood at some points. He basically got surprised by Sanji who still had to use a barrage of attacks to actually knock him out despite surprising him. Most of Sanji's attacks on Queen were due to Queen's incompetence or Queen being unfocused. Law isn't going to be so careless and easily-distracted, in contrast.

The thing you're not getting is the fact that wether Queen was "focusing" on Sanji or not, it would not have mattered. Queen could not even perceive Sanji due to sheer speed. Queen would have been "surprised" regardless. There was absolutely nothing he could have done. Law could do whatever he wants. He could look around and "focus" on nothing because that is what Sanji would look like to him. He will be hit with a Ifrit flaming dura neg kick to the head followed up with a combo.

Law could tag people outright stated and shown to be far stronger and faster than Sanji. Like I said, he could gank Kaidou in the throat completely unnoticed, even though Kaidou could speed blitz people like Luffy ( who has Observation stronger than Sanji's due to it being advanced ) and react to them.

You still have not proved that Sanji is slower than Kaido at all.

it's not gonna be incredibly fast

Yes it would. Sanji healed from Brachiocoilus near-instantly, so I don't see why it would randomly be any different this time around. Plus, that's only if it hits, which I doubt it would.

The Haki argument doesn't work either- Big Mom had superior Haki and couldn't stop him from using his dura neg attacks at all.

I'm saying that the superior Haki would be able to negate attacks like Amputate, Shambles, Injection Shot, ect. Other attacks like Counter Shock and Gamma Knife either get dodged or healed from right after.

And I don't think you should ping people who have outright stated the reason for why they're voting in their messages ( most said FRA ).

Those reasons were debunked.

 

[Harith0cell]

Law fra

 

[SnookB]

Does Law have anything that can put Sanji down? I really can't see it.

Any awakened Wille will mess him up. Radio knife, Gamma knife.
Sanji is admittedly much faster but unlike Queen Law's got at least reasonable Kenbun to somewhat track/predict where Sanji will be. Fighting inside Room would have Sanji facing off against basically an entire environment being thrown at him while having to fight Law as well (and we know Law likes throwing shit based on his fight with Kaido/Doflamingo)
Sanji's only Wincon is hitting law enough times to put him down- and considering the big difference between Yonko-tier and Scabbard-scale 6A's, that won't happen easily. Not with Law's hax either.

Law just has far more wincons. My vote's staying the same

 

[Eseseso]

And Law's durability is absurd. I'm talking Flame-On King levels of absurd.

A desperate Life Amped Big Mom using Busoshoku Haki ******* wailed on him and landed dozens of hits, yet asides from some bleeding Law managed to endure this even if it clearly hurt him. He still had enough energy to use Puncture Wille, use Silent on Big Mom, and cut Misery in half.

 

[SnookB]

I'm talking Flame-On King levels of absurd.

goddamnit

 

[Eseseso]

goddamnit

?

 

[SnookB]

Maybe flame-ON King is pushing it. Unless we're arguing Law would take an Enma slash from Zoro directly and be entirely unscratched.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

The thing you're not getting is the fact that wether Queen was "focusing" on Sanji or not, it would not have mattered. Queen could not even perceive Sanji due to sheer speed. Queen would have been "surprised" regardless. There was absolutely nothing he could have done. Law could do whatever he wants. He could look around and "focus" on nothing because that is what Sanji would look like to him. He will be hit with a Ifrit flaming dura neg kick to the head followed up with a combo.

You still have not proved that Sanji is slower than Kaido at all.

Yes it would. Sanji healed from Brachiocoilus near-instantly, so I don't see why it would randomly be any different this time around. Plus, that's only if it hits, which I doubt it would.

I'm saying that the superior Haki would be able to negate attacks like Amputate, Shambles, Injection Shot, ect. Other attacks like Counter Shock and Gamma Knife either get dodged or healed from right after.

Those reasons were debunked.

He only couldn't perceive him at the end of their fight. Before that he was able to react to him and hit him. And like SnookB said, Law can still teleport away from Sanji, so the speed argument doesn't really work.
Also Sanji isn't instantly regenerating from a shockwave messing up the majority of his organs and crippling him, lol.

And I'm not even going to mention the fact you keep saying Sanji is faster than Big Mom and Kaidou.

 

[Eminiteable]

And Law's durability is absurd. I'm talking Flame-On King levels of absurd.

A desperate Life Amped Big Mom using Busoshoku Haki ******* wailed on him and landed dozens of hits, yet asides from some bleeding Law managed to endure this even if it clearly hurt him. He still had enough energy to use Puncture Wille, use Silent on Big Mom, and cut Misery in half.

That ain't flame-on king levels of durability.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Yeah clearly Law doesn't have flame-on King levels of durability but he's still pretty damn sturdy lol. Also what Eseseso said just reminded me, Law's stamina and endurance is bonkers. Dude was fighting Kaidou and Big Mom with the other Supernovas on the Roof Top and was still able to go down into the castle and fight Big Mom despite her beating on them multiple times.

 

[Eseseso]

Yeah clearly Law doesn't have flame-on King levels of durability but he's still pretty damn sturdy lol. Also what Eseseso said just reminded me, Law's stamina and endurance is bonkers. Dude was fighting Kaidou and Big Mom with the other Supernovas on the Roof Top and was still able to go down into the castle and fight Big Mom despite her beating on them multiple times.

And not to mention he took a Thunder Bagua from Haoshoku Infused Hybrid Kaido (which is way above Sanji's paygrade) and was...honestly fine after a few minutes.

That ain't flame-on king levels of durability.

Maybe flame-ON King is pushing it. Unless we're arguing Law would take an Enma slash from Zoro directly and be entirely unscratched.

Ok, that's fair, but Law has like the 2nd best durability feat in the verse outside of Luffy's shenanigans.

The first is tied between King tanking the Enma attack with zero damage, and King effortlessly tanking an explosion from himself that would've killed Zoro had the latter not used Buso (which means his explosion scales above Kaido and Big Mom's Hakai).

And Law took dozens of blows from Buso + Life Amped Big Mom, while already using an Awakened technique (which keep in mind is openly stated to drain his energy significantly), and was still able to use Silence and bisect Misery, which is BM's strongest Homie by far.

 

[SnookB]

Either way- it's still higher in the chain that Sanji by a good chunk. Sanji's regen is good but you also have to realize that fighting Queen, who was toying around for most of the fight- won't be like fighting Law.
Law won't sit and wait for him to regen, especially not after he sees it once.

 

[Eminiteable]

Ok, that's fair, but Law has like the 2nd best durability feat in the verse outside of Luffy's shenanigans.

The first is tied between King tanking the Enma attack with zero damage, and King effortlessly tanking an explosion from himself that would've killed Zoro had the latter not used Buso (which means his explosion scales above Kaido and Big Mom's Hakai).

And Law took dozens of blows from Buso + Life Amped Big Mom, while already using an Awakened technique (which keep in mind is openly stated to drain his energy significantly), and was still able to use Silence and bisect Misery, which is BM's strongest Homie by far.

Luffy (I know you excluded him), Kaido, Big Mom got better durability than him tbh.

 

[Eseseso]

Luffy (I know you excluded him), Kaido, Big Mom got better durability than him tbh.

I was talking about actual on-screen feats, not scaling-wise.

I don't doubt Life-Amped BM and Shuron Hakke Kaido could take plenty of hits from each other.

And while IMO Ifrit Jambe is Base Yonko level in power (and Sanji effortlessly tanking Hybrid Queen's sword blow to the neck while being off-guard gives him at least Base Yonko level durability), Law is well above that FRA.

The dude literally matched Blackbeard blow for blow.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

And not to mention he took a Thunder Bagua from Haoshoku Infused Hybrid Kaido (which is way above Sanji's paygrade) and was...honestly fine after a few minutes.


Ok, that's fair, but Law has like the 2nd best durability feat in the verse outside of Luffy's shenanigans.

The first is tied between King tanking the Enma attack with zero damage, and King effortlessly tanking an explosion from himself that would've killed Zoro had the latter not used Buso (which means his explosion scales above Kaido and Big Mom's Hakai).

And Law took dozens of blows from Buso + Life Amped Big Mom, while already using an Awakened technique (which keep in mind is openly stated to drain his energy significantly), and was still able to use Silence and bisect Misery, which is BM's strongest Homie by far.

TBF that explosion might have did that much because Zoro was already pretty damaged before their batlle.

 

[Eseseso]

TBF that explosion might have did that much because Zoro was already pretty damaged before their batlle.

Didn't the medicine bring him back to 100% health?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Didn't the medicine bring him back to 100% health?

I don't think so, seems that it was just healing him a little and prolonging his stamina.

 

[Eseseso]

Also, Sanji was clearly taking a lot of damage from Queen's Vinsmoke abilities (which are obviously well above normal Hybrid Queen), and may have run out of stamina and lost had Queen not been distracted at the worst moment (which, tbf, is pretty in-character for Queen).

I don't think so, seems that it was just healing him a little and prolonging his stamina.

@Eminiteable didn't the Mink medicine give him 100% health?

 

[WrongIdea21]

Those reasons were debunked. Will you still vote for Law?

Yes.
Alot of Reason above can make my Vote counted.

 

[Eseseso]

After the fight:

Sanji: OK, you beat me. What do you want, Robin's knowledge on the Poneglyphs?

Law: Gimme your Raid Suit.

Sanji:...What?

Law: I want your Raid Suit.

Sanji: I destroyed that stupid thing back at Wano.

Law (now bummed): ...Just give me the stupid Poneglyphs then.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Also, Sanji was taking damage from Queen's Vinsmoke abilities (which are clearly above normal Hybrid Queen), and may have run out of stamina and lost had Queen not been distracted at the worst moment (which, tbf, is pretty in-character for Queen).


@Eminiteable didn't the Mink medicine give him 100% health?

Yeah that's what I told Kachon, Queen is a doofus who gets distracted easily. He's intelligent but has a short attention span.