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By this logic, let's have Yuno powernull devil fruits.the question would be more... Why would mana based ability that acts the same as without mana be any different when the both act the same? (you understand what I mean, if you don't... Your biased.)
Yuno has spirit Magic, which at its lowest, gave a reaction speed great enough to see someone comparable in speed move at snail's pace.You said reaction time... reaction time comes from your Perception.. Haki sharpens all of the senses anyway, to the point a child was able to react to lightning speed
I'm not even gonna entertain that.Haki negs abilities, unless the magic doesn't function any differently to what the ability literally does... It gets blocked.
It being always active doesn't mean Yuno can't do the same thing he did to Lucius.A completely different precog to obs Haki. Yes I will unless you actually specify
Obs Haki does the same + has precog. A precog that's always active and will know your future exactly when you'll do it and where instantly
According to the same Calc you've sent before, that room is barely above 200km in diameter at best.Because it's a nonphysical space that's attached to his body... Even if let's say yuno somehow teleports out of it, law can increase it's size from a distance
I'm alone are the honored one?I swear the way you guys debate, it's like talking to mosquitoes fr... Never ever seen you guys discuss with good faith besides Kazuma_kuwabara (ops sorry for the @ )
the question would be more... Why would mana based ability that acts the same as without mana be any different when the both act the same? (you understand what I mean, if you don't... Your biased.)
You said reaction time... reaction time comes from your Perception.. Haki sharpens all of the senses anyway, to the point a child was able to react to lightning speed
Haki negs abilities, unless the magic doesn't function any differently to what the ability literally does... It gets blocked.
Obs Haki does the same + has precog. A precog that's always active and will know your future exactly when you'll do it and where instantly
A completely different precog to obs Haki. Yes I will unless you actually specify
Because it's a nonphysical space that's attached to his body... Even if let's say yuno somehow teleports out of it, law can increase it's size from a distance
Quick responseI found out R-Room needs to be thrown at the object before it āattachesā. Thatās obviously not gonna work, Yuno easily evades.
Are you ok man?I simply am not wrong.
If I truly was, I would say I was wrong but Iām not , I donāt have time to waste time on this match but most of what you guys have said isā¦ yuno easily evades, yuno easily teleports yuno easilyā¦ without ever saying an actual valid wincon for him to winā¦ as Iāve said before, law can keep room open at all timesā¦ if he teleports back (idk how the f he would begin to even know he needs to teleport hundreds of km away) heāll instantly get sensed and know what yuno will do, instantly countering yuno with an instant space slash. Yuno has no understanding of laws abilities who also uses the abilities mentioned in the beginning of the fight in character, law would simply cut him before he even knew what happened and that outcome becomes even a higher chance, when law knows yuno moves beforehand who can also teleport
Quick response
Law can create a small room (or just attack with anything), whenever yuno is about to teleport out of the way, law knows where yuno will teleport to and send the ROOM at that location beforehand, which ends up getting him caught in a space slash
Someone like Blackbeard who always uses haki often, wasnāt able to know what happened when law cut his flying horse with RE ROOM because of having no information that he could do that, same would happen here without yuno having any defense/resistance against a space slash
The only way I can see yuno winning via the argument of the opposition is if he knows he has to randomly teleport without law also going after him and then getting stronger/faster to the point lawās physical movements is insanely slower and finds an oppening (btw does yuno even have any one shot abilities?)
Why the f am I even commenting, Iāll be the one losing if Iām going to debate with people like thatā¦ the ones who explains nothing and argues out of literal bad faith, I can go read all of yunos fights andā¦ now Iām just ranting bye, I need to sleepā¦ but what Iām saying is true tho, if I found my bro talking ok nevermind just find life in a good way. (Bro my mind is insanely stubborn the only reason Iām still commenting is because I canāt sleepā¦ bye )
Are you ok man?
the lowest that obs Haki enhances ones senses was for a kid being able to react to the movements of Enel with no training whatsoever, just by unlocking obs hakiYuno has spirit Magic, which at its lowest, gave a reaction speed great enough to see someone comparable in speed move at snail's pace.
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That doesn't make sense... But if he does resist fire manipulation... He would resist fire manipulation from devil fruits... They are the same functionBy this logic, let's have Yuno powernull devil fruits.
It's just true...I'm not even gonna entertain that.
That can be worse... Obs Haki is meant for battle and unlocks in battles, "normal" seeing the future has many disadvantages like not knowing exactly when in the future that will happen, or exactly knowing fully where. They also need to take time to see the future and the proceed... So unless you guys specify why that situation would somehow work against law's precog the same way which is instantly knowing when and where in the future you'll be with your every move, then it's just total bs and isn't comparableIt being always active doesn't mean Yuno can't do the same thing he did to Lucius.
I'm pretty sure Lucius's is not only always active as well, but can straight up see the entire future which automatically makes it more impressive than just seeing seconds ahead like Law does.
According to the same Calc you've sent before, that room is barely above 200km in diameter at best.
What's the radius...?Neverland's radius, I said radius, even at its lowest, is bigger than that.
You've literally not even giving the range and I've also literally said that law has counters for if yuno actually were to teleport away for no reason at all.I'm not gonna lie, I just think the problem is with you. You're the only one still arguing about Yuno not teleporting out of the room, when the mf has far greater range than even Law's biggest room.
I never did... But it definitely should be... As awakening techniques are far taxing than regular ROOMsRealize that you even tried to put the range of his huge room domain comparable to that of his sword coated with room, like, what are we doing here.
Well it isn't me that started commenting, the only reason I replied was because people were being disingenuous and not fair with their votes basically just naming Yuno's abilities and ignoring everything about law's abilitiesSo either let's just agree to disagree or let this thread die.
This is also literally not true... That's what the Sea does... It weakens the df user... Even the sea doesn't actually negate df from using their abilitiesHaki negs devil fruit from using its abilities.
You canāt twist this logic for convenience.
The whole point of this range argument is because both can one shot the other, Law can attack from anywhere within his room and Yuno can do the same within his Mana Zone. This is something we've said before.I simply am not wrong.
If I truly was, I would say I was wrong but Iām not , I donāt have time to waste time on this match but most of what you guys have said isā¦ yuno easily evades, yuno easily teleports yuno easilyā¦ without ever saying an actual valid wincon for him to winā¦ as Iāve said before, law can keep room open at all timesā¦ if he teleports back (idk how the f he would begin to even know he needs to teleport hundreds of km away) heāll instantly get sensed and know what yuno will do, instantly countering yuno with an instant space slash. Yuno has no understanding of laws abilities who also uses the abilities mentioned in the beginning of the fight in character, law would simply cut him before he even knew what happened and that outcome becomes even a higher chance, when law knows yuno moves beforehand who can also teleport
And literally the ones I've said/responded toAnd honestly instead of "passively crashing out" being these strikethrough messages, you can... idk, ask us or check for yourself? Name ONE thing we've said that was either in bad faith or straight up not on his profile?
Doesn't actually state the size just says it's bigger and downplays ROOM size while also saying it's law's maxAccording to the same Calc you've sent before, that room is barely above 200km in diameter at best.
Neverland's radius, I said radius, even at its lowest, is bigger than that.
I'm not gonna lie, I just think the problem is with you. You're the only one still arguing about Yuno not teleporting out of the room, when the mf has far greater range than even Law's biggest room.
Literally just a lie and never actually say how yuno dealt with future sight and how that situation would work against law's obs Haki.Not it doesnāt do the same, itās just precog being an upgrade of enhanced senses which is a basic thing for all wind mages in BC. Obviously enhanced senses alone isnt enough so stop the fallacious attempts to link reaction times, especially when no other wind mages can do what Yuno does to deal with precog.
And Lucius precog is intrinsically the same as what you just said about obs haki.
Irrelevant, itās intrinsically the same I.e. Knowing the next moves.
+ more but you get the ideaIām voting Yuno based on multiple stat amps, mana zone (casts attacks at point blank and boosted speeds so Yuno can actually attack while room expands), higher reaction time to keep up with precognition via spam teleportation to evade starting moves and initial room attacks, Reactive Power Level (AP, Speed; enough to blitz precognition in a short amount of time) to easily deal with latter room attacks.
Star magic range: far greater than diameter of capital (which is at least 300km) in radius when arranged circular. {Epsi Jack calc <center to nobel realm / 2 to estimate capital size>}. Almost 2000km when arranged linearly. {circumference}. Giving Yuno plenty of room to spam teleport or teleport Law.
ROOM isn't a spatial attack, he has no reason to teleport away even if he did... Law would know he would've teleported away, which would just change his starting tactic to something else that would counter yuno's teleportationYuno sensing Spatial attacks that not even Captain level mages with crazy high Magic Sensing could? I can pull you the very scan in his profile...
It's way worse to be passive aggressive or arguing with someone out of bad faith... Not just for wasting time but also in my view attacking the whole vs match, it starts being way more than just friendly match up discussionIt's honestly sad to hear it when not one of us even said this about you.
Which is literally true...?Even when you said Cosmic Awareness would be needed to sense Room's expansion
Law knows where he'll teleport to... After he's teleported 500km out, law won't be able to sense him or precog him... Which is literally why I said thisOr about Law being able to predict Yuno (even though we never saw him predict someone from 100s of miles away, let alone when time is stopped)
if he teleports back (idk how the f he would begin to even know he needs to teleport hundreds of km away) heāll instantly get sensed and know what yuno will do, instantly countering yuno with an instant space slash.
... You saying they are completely different from df's instead of talking about the ability is the bad faith I'm talking about...Or even argued he would resist Yuno's Mana Zone abilities, which are completely different from Devil Fruits...
It was from work and bad chips especially , and yee it is a silly fictional powerscaling match up... Which is how it looks absolutely insane and sad to me when I see others just lie or argue out of bias, I only said what I said so that someone might realize what they are doing if they were arguing out of bad faith, intentional or notLet's not forget it's a silly fictional powerscaling website, we don't need to gain sleep deprivation over this.
He can notice ROOM all he wants... Doesn't mean he'll know it's mechanicsNow, Law's wincon requires to not only
- expand his room without Yuno noticing, but also
You've yet to actually explain the ability for how far or is it universal?-predict his teleportation with precog (even though, I've said it before, YUNO'S MANA ZONE STOPS TIME)
He has no reason at all to teleport far beyond where law is... Just the current existing ROOM, which wouldn't be far beyond and would then be countered as law knows where he'll teleport to beforehand-and āsomehow catch him with re-room when Yuno can teleport far beyond any of Law room techniques (except the long ahh sword).
He knows the future, he'll know yuno will stop time... Or what's this supposed to mean?Law won't be able to predict it because he hasn't shown to be able to predict stuff when time is stopped.
I mean, Yuno in the anime is 4-Bi mean law was stated to transcend the concept of dimensions
i mean law was stated to transcend the concept of dimensions
These two comments are peak comedyI mean, Yuno in the anime is 4-B
I alone am the honored clownThese two comments are peak comedy.
Monkey Of Life makes sense to me so far so I'ma vote law.
I alone am the honored clown
I did not saveMe not being able to follow up with the funniest image cuz idk how to post them on VSBW
Kazuma you saved this threat from 7 pages. Congratulations
Can he beat Goku tho?I did not save anything, it was epsilon
Did you miss the part where we said Yuno can fire attacks at point blank range while being far away? (mana zone)
without ever saying an actual valid wincon for him to win
Someone like Blackbeard who always uses haki often, wasnāt able to know what happened when law cut his flying horse with RE ROOM because of having no information that he could do that, same would happen here without yuno having any defense/resistance against a space slash
Literally just a lie and never actually say how yuno dealt with future sight and how that situation would work against law's obs Haki.
Voting based on just stating yuno's abilities and what he can do
Is on the Haki page, he has minimal precogNot to mention it's not even on his profile.
Don't see him listed (I could easily just be overlooking so ill take your word for it)Is on the Haki page, he has minimal precog
Wtf are these precog comparsionsā¦ someone who can see 5 seconds in the future can have 100x better precog than someone who can see 5 hours into the futureā¦ it all comes down to the mechanics and information that they get.
Yuno is not āoutspeedingā the precog of obs haki, they only thing he can do tho is blitz law himself soo much to where his body isnāt moving and standing in placeā¦ that happens to observation haki users and can still read and precog them.
Also stop with the whole yuno has instinctive reactions, law has that too
More potent means it is better thoYee itās simply a you problem if you guys canāt understand how just seeing more into the future doesnāt mean you have ābetterā precog
More potent maybe but thatās all. Thereās a reason why some future sight are non combat applicableā¦ obs haki is especially used for battle and gained/perfected trough battles
All precogs can have different disadvantages
Whenever if I get into bcā¦ I can tell you guys the differences.
But Iām going to assume the future sight of the one in bc isnāt anything like the one in OP thatās strictly for battles