Yea see, like I said. Its quite amazing how poor the debating skill is when it comes to anyone who challenges me.
This is literally shown on the cosmic map as the source wall that is the red to violet.
So how is this relevant, Deagon? How is this your trump card when the map relates this zone as the Source Wall and the Overvoid is right past it. Wana know whats funny though? The 2014 map doesn't reflect the visual of the Flaw in 2008.
The map is a snapshot as it was in 2014.
In 2008, the Void is all that is after that. Remember?
Grant also said the Source was the Overvoid. So your claim that the Overvoid is above the Source directly contradicts Grant in multiple respects, including the recent "Absolute Edition" of Multiversity.
Yea no. This is the same talk as Snyder, they are all emanations of God. The top form of it is the Overvoid Absolute. And everything not the Absolute is an infinitely small flaw to it. Including the Kirby Source that is the Ain Soph Aurr, you are trying to spin things into your favor in the opposite way the content creators said it.
A five second google search that the very term "voidism" is not recognized by any significant bodies. There doesn't appear to be a coherent and unified doctrine of belief or even official literature about this supposed religion. The term "Voidism" on wikipedia redirects to a page titled Śūnyatā which itself is very diverse in application, none of which seem to have immediate relevance to this discussion.
This is incoherant nonsense, Voidism is the Maharishi's tangent of Buddism that he follows, and its ancient as hell. Your insisting that Voidist belief isn't the core of his preaching and the Kabbalah is a bold face fraudulent statement. Do better.
I've already addressed this, I have no problem doing so again.
Nuh uh argument isn't you addressing it, its you dodging that it was directly said.
The phrase "same general purpose" is a weasel word here. You're retreating to something vague and generic because the specifics have been rebutted. It seems clear that you admit, at the very least, that the phrase "Transcendental Meditation" is absent in Supergods. There's a single line about him doing a Tibetan Meditation for his deceased father, and it is not given in relation to DC at all.
The only weaseling here is you trying to spin that Tebetan people don't meditate the same way as Transcedental Meditation practicioner do despite the scan I posted saying they do the same thing with a different goal at the end. Weasel, indeed.
You claim to have "other interviews" of Grant referencing TM, but they are conspicuously absent. The level of fixation you place on this non-TM reference to Meditation suggests that no such evidence actually exists. The only other piece of information provided is a statement about Grant from someone else claiming he was into TM, but there's no evidence to support it.
Only need one to debunk your claims that none exist. I gave you
three and never claimed to have more than three. You made that up. Another fraudulent statement with no evidence.
That's fine, but this isn't a conversation about David Lynch, it's about Grant Morrison.
You said there is no correlation between Grant and Transcedental Meditation except for that Grant is a big fan of the biggest and most famous practicioner of Transcedental Meditation,
rofl.
The fact that David Lynch practices TM, and that Grant referred to him as an inspiration for Batman & Robin, does not justify this claim that Grant based anything about DC's cosmology on the teachings of Maharishi.
Yes it does. Here is David talking about how his inspiration on his school and teachings are entirely based on Maharishi's teachings.
David Lynch is also a very famous filmmaker. Without evidence that this "inspiration" was pertaining to his TM advocacy rather than his filmmaking (which he is much better known for), this is basically nothing at all.
His documentary is literally titled the same thing Maharishi coined, and he is referenced in the documentary multiple times.
You have completely failed to justify caring about Maharishi in relation to DC. No references to him in anything Grant ever wrote, no references to TM.
Right it totally doesn't relate apparently except Grant saying a big focus was on the Buddist cosmic map, which is only found in Transcendental Meditation practice of the Buddist religion (its called Voidism) , except that Grant said its inspired by the Kabbalaist viewpoint structure, which is nearly identical to Voidism, and that his inspiration for a lot of things is David Lynch who in turn is the worlds proponent of Transcendental Meditation and also Grant loving the Beatles a ton means he surely didn't notice the Maharishi walking around them for decades and helping them on their music. Surely...lol
Yes, citing a real-world Christian figure on the basis of an angel being in DC would be extremely weird, given how routinely DC deviates from biblical canon in it's presentations of things. Lucifer Morningstar is obviously based on the Christian devil, but information given by a Catholic Bishop about the devil would not be relevant in any way shape or form to DC
Lucifer Morningstar isn't a refernce to nonfictional deities in the real world and beyond interacting with fictional stories in comics we wright on Earth, but the Overvoid and Monitors are. So your logic attempt is a poor one here. Aslan from Narnia in context is Jesus Christ from nonfictional space playing in a fictional story. This is not the same context as the Jesus Christ figure in DC, or Lucifer in DC Comics or vertigo, they are originated in the narrative of DC and are not being cast down from outside of the narrative. You are mistaken, another fraudulent statement by you.
No, more accurately, I pointed out that Grant said this concretely multiple times and your basis for objection was an unfounded claim that Grant made a mistake in his interview, because you could not accept that Grant directly contradicted your theory.
Grant doesn't contradict anything when I play live videos of him saying things, and the interviews text. You claiming this is just my opinion shows how weak you are on evidence based discussion and objective data debates. You simply cannot stand against me and can only say that any data you dislike is invalid and the author doesn't agree with me. Your nonsense claims that the entire Orrery of Worlds is gone after Final Crisis is laughable, as the only thing referenced as a Barrier was the Cosmic Armor and that was the only thing to have left and vanished.
No, because Maharishi wasn't Buddhist. He wasn't officially affiliated with any religion, but his teachings were Hindu in nature and his own teacher was Hindu.
A bold face lie from you. He was a Buddist, stop your nonsense.
Grant also said the Source was the Overvoid. So your claim that the Overvoid is above the Source directly contradicts Grant in multiple respects, including the recent "Absolute Edition" of Multiversity.
I own the Absolute Edition, and there is no reference to anything you just said about that in it that wasn't in the Prior.
Another lie. Lets see what it actually says. It says out past Monitor space is the Overvoid / The Source and not that the Overvoid is the Ain Sophh Aurr Source that Grant said it was twice...twice dude...
You claimed that Grant never said its based on the Kabbalah, yet the very Absolute Edition here says it is heavily inspired by it.
You claimed that fictional things can go past Earth 33, yet the guide Absolute Edition says NOPE they cannot. And the Monitor space and Overvoid are above Earth 33 because they are not supposed to be from any fictional place.
Deagon, I will thrash you without mercy on all of this no matter how many times you reply.
You claimed Maharishi wasn't a Buddist? What the hell...
You claimed Grant never said this is based on the Kabbalah or the Buddist maps?
The map of the multiverse is almost like a Buddhist map of the cosmos.
Remember for years when you said Grant didn't draw inspiration from this? Tell us again how its not based on this...each time you deny the scans I provide you, every time you make up your own variation of the truth, I win. Each time you try to make up nonsense like Maharishi wasn't Buddhist, I win. Each time you insist something that isn't true and call me the cherry picker, when I am the only one here saying be fair and give different ranks for each version of the continuity that showcases the Overvoid prominently, but you are the side that says shh dont do that...I win. Each time you shout the opposite of what the interviews say, I win. Each time you move to other topic forums and use author statements to confirm yourself but then deny all mine, I win.
And it doesn't matter how many others here validate you. You are being validated by favoritism, not because you actually won or got anything right.
Moreover, it is crucial to pay respect to the fact that Grant drew inspiration from a wide variety of sources, including religious, spiritual, and theoretical ideologies.
Correct, all three share the same structure, Voidism off shoot of normal Buddist viewpoint, which is explained right in the Mediatation guide that explains they are slightly different in what they are trying to achieve but both are still under Buddist belief. The Kabbalah, and the M-theory setup. Funny how you glossed over that hoping nobody would read it. But w/e at this point, you've gone off the rails long ago.
Here is grant repeatedly talking about Mtheory as the foundation.
And here
By Joe Glass The hall is filling up for Grant Morrison to unspool his mind and blow all of ours, and whilst we waited for the panel to begin, it was easy
bleedingcool.com
And here
Nerdist chats with iconic comic creator Grant Morrison about their new online archive, and they shared an unpublished Supergods excerpt.
nerdist.com
We can't just cherry-pick the most wankable religion or theory that Grant ever name-dropped in an interview and treat DC characters as far more powerful than they actually are by superimposing that religion on the cosmology. That'll never happen here. I doubt you will ever be convinced of that, but your personal convincing is sort of a moot point. That will just never get accepted here, it's a fairly ridiculous premise for a character's profile.
So far mate you have been debunked on every single point possible and its only me here saying revise the scaling based on each canon. You were active here for years telling everyone blur them all and ignore all the older ones and go for only the new one. Well you aren't even doing that lol. How the hell you call me the one cherry picking when I am the one telling you to give a fair rank for all the canons versions of the Overvoid and you are the one saying nah, cherry pick just the one you prefer...lol x infinity.
I am well aware it won't get fixed here, do you really think I am under the impression that I can alter biased bribers and 19x alias forgers like yourself? I don't stand a chance against that because I have a shame center in my brain and you don't.
Using something as an inspiration does not mean you copy and pasted every aspect of it into the verse. Numerous details about DC contradict every single one of the religions referenced above, which means they are nothing more than an influence. Using Kabbalah as an influence doesn't mean the Overvoid would be scaled as though it were literally the Kabbalah Ein, or the Buddhist Sunyata, or the Maharishi's Unmanifest Field, et cetera.
This is denial, and your revision of factual data to try to win arguments and you know others wont read anything I post, so you feel confident making up nonsense like he wasn't Buddhist and Grant didn't say any of that. You know you can say anything you want and you will still get support. That to me tells me you know you do not have what it takes to stand up to be on a real objective discussion
because you've brought exactly ZERO objective arguments here in this entire topic. Not a single one.
It just means that various elements of those things were used as a general template for a character (the Overvoid) which isn't any of those things specifically.
Its funny that you explain your own comments and ideas on this, but you deny the comic content creator their right to explain their content that you are discussion. Its bias. And you know it. And that isn't anything new, that's all you have, that's all you've ever had. You can't discuss the facts without total inversion and you have absolutely no shame what so ever in warping thousands of years of religious history and feigning like you don't understand why I would post discussions by Maharishi, a famous Buddist Voidist, when we are talking about how Grant says this is based on the Buddhist cosmic map system.
I have trouble believing you really don't get it. You do. You just opt to make excuses and some of the worst arguments possible because thats all you can do against me. So is there anything else you want to get debunked on? Anything at all. We are up to like 30 topics and statements you fabricated and made up, and self reinterpreted in a different way that the scans said it was.
