Grant says Overvoid is nondual and that all concepts resolve to meaningless unity with the Void. This is Transduality described by the Author in the interviews
It's nondual, from IGN's Final Crisis interview. Nondual...where concepts go to stop being concepts. Why are you removing titles and context?
"How Overvoid couldn't stop it's growth?"
And the Overvoid immediately bottled all of it so nothing could get in or out except it's own investigator it sent down. The entire Flaw was rendered a moot point by the Overvoid. This isn't even opinion, or interpretation, its exactly what the comic page showed.
You've said that Flaw was a real problem for the Overvoid, but it was the Overvoid that made it, condensing the stories out and on the Monitor Mind, but Grant says its the Overvoid condensing stories down without itself knowing. This is reflective of the Voidist religion that Final Crisis's hierarchy runs on, as the Absolute Void becomes self aware for a moment, and then makes the concepts of God, Creators, and Existence, Possibility, and so on. From there, the details are imposed upon the Void by those sentient concepts as the Void returns to being unmanifest.
If you want more on this, watch this video of a popular Voidist Yogi talking about it and explaining it.
The Difference between cosmic consciousness and God consciousness
The Absolute is the Void field, not the Creator God.
lots more on this, if anyone wants more data on how Grant set this up based on the Voidist viewpoint, I'd be more than happy to talk more about it as I've studied this topic for the last 15 years or so.
Its the Overvoid running through its own ultimate story with the Flaw as a cast member at best.
Its the Overvoid condensing stories down and out of itself.
"And its condensing stories out of itself because it finds inside its own gigagntic white space, self absorbed pristine consciousness, it finds this little stain, or mark, the DC Multiverse someone has drawn and it starts investigating."
The Overvoid is nondual in the Final Crisis lore, but not nondual in the other authores series so its fine that the ranks for the Overvoid are that low, but it makes no sense to also cripple the Cosmic Armor and Mandrakk also with lower rankings too. Especially the Armor. The Flaw = the Armor = the concept of story.
Everything, the Flaw itself is Story personified to the Overvoid. Here, Grant cites the entire Flaw, all existence, as Story personified.
The counter argument is that we should lower the power scale of the Overvoid because it could not stop the Flaw from expanding or growing or w/e the case is. This is invalid.
The Overvoid's first point was the eject the corruption value out of itself and make that the Probe that would continue the investigation. This tiny infinitely small piece of itself (Mandrakk/Dax Novu) was able to freely invade the Flaw as much as it needed.
The Probe was specifically designed to blend in while it did it's investigation. Where did the Probe go? Everywhere. In The Silver City, In Hell, In Apocolypse, in New Genesis, in the lower voids, in Limbo, in a good chunk of the DC structure in the Orrery, so nothing stopped him.
Corruption via bad values and ethics is what caused Dax to molt into Mandrakk. Data and knowledge itself is no inherently sentient in DC. There is no active portrayal of Data being sentient and overpowering the Overvoid or Dax Novu. So there is no reason to quash the Overvoid in FC's power rating.
What Vsbattles needs to do is revise every major canon that uses the Overvoid and give each their own ranking. FC and Multiversity Overvoid should be the only Tier 0 as it is repeatedly explaining to be nondual and what condensed the stories of everything else out of itself.
Story itself, all anything you can gather, every concept, energy, character, thing, nonthing = Story. And all of this was the Flaw.
All of this infected the Overvoid with questions and speculations. Overvoid disliking this while it was sentient for a time doesn't mean the Flaw is superior or able to harm the Overvoid when the Overvoid bottled it entirely.
This says the Overvoid being in shock was what happened, it didn't know that lower emanations of itself that become tangents of the concept of God or Creation or Creators etc etc was the one micro detailing the Flaw.
The argument that knowledge was somehow harming the Overvoid is invalid for the following reasons
1. The Overvoid walled off the entire Flaw, effectively nullifying any problems after.
2. Ejected its own corruption off and made that the Probe to further investigate.
3. Entire Flaw was going to be consumed by a tiny portion of itself, Mandrakk.
Mandrakk was made to go detail the Flaw and consume it. Here is Grant confirming.
That entire Flaw was what infected the Overvoid, the Overvoid and the author call this Flaw the idea of Story.
Just as Overvoid clips Dax out of itself and repurposed it to be an investigator and potential consumer of it all, the Overvoid opts to personify the Flaw's entire story as a suit of protective armor.
Its the Armor that infects the Overvoid
Its story that infects the Overvoid
Its the Flaw itself that infects the Overvoid
All three are different visuals of the same thing.
Why is this important? Its the literal road map for Voidism's religious view of how existence was formed.
The Flaw of existence was bottled.
The Flaw of Existence is actually all Story
The Story of the complete edition of the Flaw, past, present, future, all possibility incarnate is then personified as a suit of armor called the Thought Robot.
The Thought Robot = the Flaw = Story
And Grant isn't the only one to have this exact viewpoint on the DC Structure. Mr. Orlando too says the same thing.
Example and more simplified
The Flaw is the Apple.
The Flaw has a story, a full story, whatever happens or doesn't happen, all possibility itself, the story of the apple is what infected the Overvoid.
Apple is now seen by the Overvoid to act as the security guard to make sure nothing in, nothing out. Repurposed the entire Flaw and now see's the entire story of the apple as this.
A Mech suit apple. A literal coping mechanism to make the Overvoid feel safer.
Apple = Flaw = All story and all possibility = projected as a mechanical mech suit protector.
That's how this works. The Flaw = Existence = Story = personified as a suit of armor that wrapped everything with a barrier.
Overvoid see's the Story as infecticious and annoying, so it visualized the story of the entire Flaw as a suit of armor.
Get it? Its not hard. This comic was made for young teens and most readers on YouTube got this, lots of other forums got this, lots of other debaters posted this same thing since 08'
But for some reason, all of this is now reinterpreted in a new subjective way that downplays the personification of all existence, the corruption of the Absolute, and the Absolute that contains Marvel and DC comics entirely.
Jar = all story, including all DC and Marvel and beyond = the Flaw = personified as a mech suit
Jar contained everything that ever was in DC.
Jar is Existence, all Existence
Existence is what the nil monitors study from the outside that's in a jar
6th Dimension is the edge of the new Existence factor of DC's Structure and doesn't include what is outside of the DC section of the original Orrery of Worlds
The Source is the Ain Sophh Aur, and you rank it higher than the Overvoid. Grant said twice that the Source of DC is the Ain Sophh Aurr, and that is about 3 levels below the Unified Umanifest Field on the Kabbalah map. And that field is the Overvoid.
Your entire structure needs revision and I am more than happy to help.
