Remove Transduality from Monitor-Mind The Overvoid

[Deagonx]

If the Overvoid named itself after the flaw then it would only qualify for Type 1 Nonduality, if at all.

I agree that Type 1 Nonduality is the only viable possibility, but right now we're trying to decide if it should get Type 1 Nonduality or not. Right now, Myself, Elizio, Lawyer, and DDM are against it, but Ant thinks it should likely have Type 1. Would you consider yourself neutral, or are you willing to take a firmer stance one way or the other to help wrap this up?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Unless we scale it to other characters, I haven't seen a nonduality feat posted at the moment. So I guess disagree without upscaling.

 

[Deagonx]

Thanks for the input. I suppose this can be applied then, @Elizio33

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if Qawsedf234 also does not think that it qualifies for Nonduality Type 1, I seem to be outvoted here.

 

[Elizio33]

you need qualitative superiority for transduality, not nonduality

Yes, but the Overvoid still forms a duality with the flaw which is everything that the Overvoid is not and had to contain it.

Thanks for the input. I suppose this can be applied then, @Elizio33

I don't mind for adding type 1 nonduality

 

[Antvasima]

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Monitor-Mind The Overvoid

Monitor-Mind the Overvoid is the void of absolute nothingness that encompasses creation, standing outside of its deepest reaches, beyond all dual concepts and the stories which form around them, being the crumbling point in which all things cease to be, and the background of all stories and...

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[Elizio33]

Okay should I add a justification on the type 1 nonduality?

 

[Antvasima]

Do you mean a footnote explanation for why the Monitor-Mind does not have it listed? If so, yes that seems like a good idea.

 

[Elizio33]

Do you mean a footnote explanation for why the Monitor-Mind does not have it listed? If so, yes that seems like a good idea.

Yes

 

[Elizio33]

What about: Although Monitor-Mind has been described as nondual several times in the story and by the author, it has been decided that the context of Monitor-Mind distinguishing itself from the flaw which is everything that Monitor-Mind is not, provides evidence that the Overvoid is outside of dual systems without transcending them. Therefore, do not attempt to upscale Monitor-Mind The Overvoid to higher levels than Nonduality (Type 1).

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

What about: Although Monitor-Mind has been described as nondual several times in the story and by the author, it has been decided that the context of Monitor-Mind distinguishing itself from the flaw which is everything that Monitor-Mind is not, provides evidence that the Overvoid is outside of dual systems without transcending them. Therefore, do not attempt to upscale Monitor-Mind The Overvoid to higher levels than Nonduality (Type 1).

The correct formatting for Type 1 Nonduality is [[Nonduality]] (Nature 1, Aspect 1; <JUSTIFICATION>). Why does Monitor-Mind have Type 1 Nonduality again, remind me?

 

[Elizio33]

The correct formatting for Type 1 Nonduality is [[Nonduality]] (Nature 1, Aspect 1; <JUSTIFICATION>). Why does Monitor-Mind have Type 1 Nonduality again, remind me?

Well, personally, i think that what Morrison meant by non-dual when describing Monitor-Mind is that the Overvoid represents nothingness, where there are no dual concepts because, well, it's nothingness and nothing exists in such a state, while the flaw represents existence encompassing concepts unfamiliar to Monitor-Mind such as love, hate, life, death, heroes, villains. It's basically non-existence and existence or nothing and everything if you prefer. I would understand why it still does not qualify for non-duality type 1

 

[Deagonx]

We could say it like this, and keep it a bit briefer:

Although Monitor-Mind has been described as nondual by the story and author, the relationship between the Overvoid and the Flaw is portrayed as a duality itself. As such it has been decided that this does not meet our criteria for non-duality.

 

[Elizio33]

We could say it like this, and keep it a bit briefer:

I agree I would just add on the part: "the relationship between the Overvoid and the Flaw is portrayed as a duality representing nothing and everything."

What do you think?

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

If that's what we're going with, Nonduality would have to be removed entirely when we add the note, not merely relegated to Type 1.

 

[Elizio33]

If that's what we're going with, Nonduality would have to be removed entirely when we add the note, not merely relegated to Type 1.

No problem.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

We could say it like this, and keep it a bit briefer:

I agree I would just add on the part: "the relationship between the Overvoid and the Flaw is portrayed as a duality representing nothing and everything."

What do you think?

No problem.

Can I apply this now?

 

[Elizio33]

The changes are done.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

The changes are done.

I've locked the page. This thread can be closed now.

 

[Elizio33]

I've locked the page. This thread can be closed now.

Yes

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you to everybody who helped out here.