One Piece High 7-A Field Day (Wano+ Edition)

[Eminiteable]

And either way, it's not usable since Queen isn't a reliable source of knowledge on this subject.

 

[Eminiteable]

Since Kid's stats were added, what's next or is the CRT finished?

 

[KingTempest]

Since Kid's stats were added, what's next or is the CRT finished?

Admiral scaling, Whitebeard pirate scaling

 

[KingTempest]

This is gonna be for the Mid-High Tiers.
This is a lot.

A lot of these characters have "possibly" on their ranking for High 7-A. The possibly's have no backing to why they're possibles, even though some of them scale off Luffy who has a solid High 7-A rating.
Some scale off the Admirals who were decided in this thread to be High 7-A or High 7-A+.

I have no issue with these being denied btw.
Here are my suggestions:

Spoiler: The Possiblies

• Donquixote Doflamingo
  • Durability: Large Mountain level (While weakened, withstood several blows from Gear 4th Luffy, who resorted to a stronger attack via King Kong Gun to put Doflamingo down for good). higher with Awakening (His strings tanked a Gomu Gomu no Double Culverin from Luffy).
• Charlotte Cracker
  • Attack Potency: Large Mountain level himself (Cracker was capable of cutting into Bound-Man Luffy’s arm, and he was capable of cuttingLuffy’s face)
    • It previously said "Albiet with Haki", but that doesn't mean anything since Luffy has Minor Resistance to Resistance Negation (Able to resist Doffy’s Busōshoku Haki and keep his rubbery body).
• Charlotte Katakuri
  • Attack Potency: Large Mountain level (Hailed as being the strongest of the Three Sweet Commanders which includes Cracker. Punched Bound-Man Luffy to the point where he ran away).
• Marco the Phoenix
  • Attack Potency: Large Mountain level (Was capable of sending Aokiji and Kizaru flying with a kick to the side, though the latter was unharmed.)
• Diamond Jozu
  • Attack Potency: Large Mountain level (Capable of hurting the likes of Aokiji, and briefly engaged him in battle)
• Vista
  • Attack Potency: Large Mountain level (Contributed to fighting against Sakazuki (Admiral Akainu) alongside Marco on two occasions. Should thus be at least comparable to Jozu)
• Jinbe
  • Attack Potency: Large Mountain level (Stopped a magma punch from Akainu, Freed Luffy from Charlotte Katakuri’s hold), though his attacks ignore durability to an extent by sending shock-waves to affect the water within a person's body (pushed a weakened and starving Big Mom off of the Sunny with one of his attacks).

Is Katakuri, Doflamingo, and Cracker agreed on?

 

[XDragnoir]

So i guess the Tobiroppo will have a thread only for them?

 

[Eminiteable]

Katakuri has quite a bit of support for baseline High 7-A, yet Cracker is stated weaker than Katakuri so I'm not sure he scales; unsure though since he did cut him. Since this only applies to Doflamingo's durability I'm still uncertain since I'm pretty sure Luffy in Boundman did destroy Doflamingo's awakening strings at one point.

 

[XDragnoir]

Luffy is going to be 1.131, Kata will be in that level, Smoothie and Cracker could very well be 1.130 or 1.050, whatever, they aren't far behind Katakuri, that is the point, so they all should be H7A.

Btw, how many have agreed with Luffy's dura raising to H7A after Katakuri has his 7A+ end removed?

 

[KingTempest]

Katakuri has quite a bit of support for baseline High 7-A, yet Cracker is stated weaker than Katakuri so I'm not sure he scales; unsure though since he did cut him.

Cracker uses bladed weapons and he barely fights, the soldiers do for him.

Since this only applies to Doflamingo's durability I'm still uncertain since I'm pretty sure Luffy in Boundman did destroy Doflamingo's awakening strings at one point.

Doflamingo blocked with 2 layers and Luffy couldn't go through. He blocked with 1 and he went through.

 

[Eminiteable]

Kata will be in that level

I think most people just agreed on Kat being baseline High 7-A since his physical stats should be weaker than Boundman but not by that much.

 

[Lgamer099_99]

Base Zoro ~ Amped Kaku > Base Kaku > Base Jabra > Sanji. Your point is? Manga said it.

Base Jabra > Sanji????
Sanji could fight against Hybrid Jabura, even without diable jambe.

No. His specialty is tekkai. Specialty ≠ best. Zoro's specialty in the group is Armament but Luffy has better armament than him.

Disagree. Zoro had better armament than Luffy before wano.

Zoro turned his attack into nothing then one shot him.

and Sanji first kicked Jabura with a no-named attack diable jambe, then one-shotted him with a flambage shot. Feats are comparable, since Jabura had tekkai actived when Sanji attacked him, while Zoro shotted a Kaku without tekkai actived.

His attacks are durability negation.

in the first chapters of one piece, it is said that sanji can't withstand well the impact of his own blows because they're too powerful.

Biologically, not overall. Or what, Sanji > Katakuri and Luffy now? Or Big Mom too?

and what I said? Katakuri > oven because Katakuri protects himself with haki. But Cracker took the hit without amrmanet haki protecting him.

You mean the snack that lost to Eustass Kid?

Losing to Luffy's rival, wow, what a shame.

Sabo's the 2nd strongest in the revolutionary army and he stresses with Fujitora who scales to Gear 2nd and 3rd Luffy.
Or what, Fujitora ~ Akainu now? Gear 2nd Luffy = Akainu Level You guys.

Akainu and Kuzan were the strongest marines without any doubt, but I still think Fuji should scale well above gear 2nd and 3rd Luffy. He's an admiral afterall and Dressrosa Sabo is really understimated, he should be at least comparable to Ace, because the two since kids were physically equal, but then Ace obtained a fruit and Sabo trained under Dragon and obtained really powerful armament haki (he seems to have ryou). Someone with Ace's potential and growth, better haki than Ace and 2 more years of training compared to Ace, but less experience with mera mera no mi, that's Sabo. I would totally scale Sabo at Large Mountain level and Fujitora too.

 

[XDragnoir]

Didn't someone say in another thread we shouldn't give a solid rate to someone like Fujitora who did all his feats (the 377, 420 and 6C feats) without any shown effort?

 

[KingTempest]

@Lgamer099_99 , take this to my message wall or to the general discussion. This is a CRT, let's not argue here

 

[KingTempest]

Didn't someone say in another thread we shouldn't give a solid rate to someone like Fujitora who did all his feats (the 377, 420 and 6C feats) without any shown effort?

Me

 

[XDragnoir]

So why is Sabo stressing with Fujitora an anti-feat for Sabo? Due to his position and fame, it could very well be Fujitora using more power than what he used with Luffy.

 

[KingTempest]

So why is Sabo stressing with Fujitora an anti-feat for Sabo? Due to his position and fame, it could very well be Fujitora using more power than what he used with Luffy.

That's what I'm saying. Fujitora could've been using much more strength, but since all we've seen from him is his casual feats, it doesn't matter

 

[XDragnoir]

Anyway, it does not matter, since Lgamer wasn't talking about Sabo nor Issho, so their fight shouldn't even have been brought up by you.

 

[XDragnoir]

If the Tobiroppo end in H7A wouldn't that also raise Apoo's durability for holding Drake?

 

[KingTempest]

I'm still tryna give this man Luffy high 7-A dura bruh

 

[Tetsucabrah]

What ever happened with the 6-C calaca calc for Big Mom and Kaido?

 

[KingTempest]

Which one? The Conquerors haki clash one?

Also, I just noticed that Zoro trained for a day. I highly doubt Zoro could've went from Mountain to Large Mountain in 1 day of training, so the scaling chain of
Zoro ~ Killer ≤ Kid still fits.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

this https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Calaca/Kaido_and_Big_Mom's_Heaven_Split

 

[Damage3245]

What ever happened with the 6-C calaca calc for Big Mom and Kaido?

I'm pretty sure it was re-calced by a different Calc Group Member and got Large Town level results.

 

[Eminiteable]

Also, I just noticed that Zoro trained for a day. I highly doubt Zoro could've went from Mountain to Large Mountain in 1 day of training, so the scaling chain of
Zoro ~ Killer ≤ Kid still fits.

He trained for three days & keep in mind training in Enies Lobby boosted the straw hats largely. Killer also doesn't scale to Santoryu Zoro since he was one shot by him.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

I'm pretty sure it was re-calced by a different Calc Group Member and got Large Town level results.

Can you post it?

 

[Damage3245]

Can you post it?

I believe this is it.

 

[KingTempest]

He trained for three days & keep in mind training in Enies Lobby boosted the straw hats largely.

Nah it was 1.
4 days prior to the raid, Zoro gets the sword.
3 days prior to the raid, Zoro trains.
2 days prior to the raid, Kin'emon tells everyone to get ready to leave.
Yeah you're right I just noticed"

Killer also doesn't scale to Santoryu Zoro since he was one shot by him.

Good point

 

[Eminiteable]

Had a read through the thread, looks like the majority of staff and members agree with putting Katakuri at baseline High 7-A so would it be fine to apply that now or would it still require more input?

 

[XDragnoir]

If you still remember, how many agreed with H7A dura for Luffy? Since this is directly related to Kata's tier.

 

[Eminiteable]

Staff: @Damage3245 & @DemonGodMitchAubin agreed for baseline High 7-A. @DarkDragonMedeus & @Antvasima liked their posts and said they trusted their judgement.

In terms of of members it's harder to find but I believe (sorry if I'm mistaken) @KingTempest, @UchihaSlayer96 and me are for baseline High 7-A Kat, maybe more I can't quite remember.

Edit: Sorry i misread I thought you said who agreed for baseline H7A Kat not dura for Luffy, as far as I can tell there isn't any staff agreement on that.

 

[XDragnoir]

Well, Zoro has H7A dura because he took hits from Apoo, shouldn't Luffy also scale? Ulti, who scales above Apoo, wasn't able to damage Luffy much when he was on guard, but yeah, Damage disagreed with scaling based in Katakuri, but i think with scaling from Apoo, Zoro and Ulti (as well as Katakuri) H7A is much more valid.

 

[Damage3245]

Zoro has H7A dura because he took hits from Apoo

Err, why? Apoo doesn't have High 7-A AP.

 

[XDragnoir]

Idk, it is in his profile right now:

Large Mountain level (Took attacks from Scratchmen Apoo)

 

[Eminiteable]

shouldn't Luffy also scale

No, also that results in circular scaling I think: Apoo's AP scales to K.O base luffy who scales to Apoo for taking it etc.

Ulti, who scales above Apoo

Ulti doesn't scale above Apoo.

 

[XDragnoir]

She does, Apoo isn't able to become a Tobiroppo, and in the beast pirates strength grants you a higher rank.

Also, Apoo's DF should scale to his own dura (equal or above) which is 7A+ for clashing with Drake, who is 7A+ for... scaling above Apoo's DF? Isn't that already circular scaling or i am forgetting someone here?

 

[Eminiteable]

She does, Apoo isn't able to become a Tobiroppo, and in the beast pirates strength grants you a higher rank.

The Tobiroppo are the strongest of the headliners and Apoo isn't a headliner. Plus from what we learn during the raid it's rare opportunity for members of the beast pirates to show their strength to garner the right to gain a higher rank; for example the Tobiroppo had to find Yamato just for the right to challenge a Calamity and move up in rank.

It's not like the Beast pirates have scouters to determine if characters are actually stronger at any given time, and we know someone like X Drake who was regarded as quite a strong Tobi Roppo wasn't any stronger than Apoo based off his feats.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

I believe this is it.

oh ok, thanks

 

[Eminiteable]

upon checking Apoo's page:
Attack Potency: Mountain level+ (His "Fighting Music" put a deep cut into Zoro and momentarily incapacitated Base Luffy during the Siege of Onigashima. He was able to leave a mark on Luffy from a blunt force attack, even with the latter's Blunt Force Resistance).

Considering the feats I've highlighted, wouldn't that warrant Apoo and "at least 7-A+" AP rating? Since overcoming Luffy's blunt force resistance obviously would require more than just scaling equal to base luffy's durability & K.O him would require more than baseline as well.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Couldn't Apoo be using Haki to bypass that? It's the New World, if you don't have haki you're kinda screwed.

 

[Eminiteable]

Couldn't Apoo be using Haki to bypass that? It's the New World, if you don't have haki you're kinda screwed.

It would be hard to prove he has haki let alone prove he was using it in that instance since he hit Luffy with his devil fruit.

 

[XDragnoir]

The Tobiroppo are the strongest of the headliners and Apoo isn't a headliner. Plus from what we learn during the raid it's rare opportunity for members of the beast pirates to show their strength to garner the right to gain a higher rank; for example the Tobiroppo had to find Yamato just for the right to challenge a Calamity and move up in rank.

It's not like the Beast pirates have scouters to determine if characters are actually stronger at any given time, and we know someone like X Drake who was regarded as quite a strong Tobi Roppo wasn't any stronger than Apoo based off his feats.

He isn't a headliner, but his position is still below the Tobiroppo since he still wanted to have one of their spots, meaning he didn't have all the privileges their positions grants to them, and more privileges are granted only to those with strength in the Beast Pirates.

He wouldn't have reached this special position outside the normal ranks without showing his power to someone, be it a Calamity or Kaido himself (the latter is more likely due to Apoo being a Supernova), meaning they evaluated all the Supernovas in one point, leaving Hawkins (who has the weakest feats) as a normal headliner, Apoo with this special position and Drake as a Tobiroppo (who are only below the Calamities), so Apoo was strong enough to be above headliners (his feats are better than Hawkins') but not strong enough to be grouped with Drake and his peers (was fighting a casual Drake), this is consistent afaik.

Just like Zoro wasn't serious, Drake also wasn't, he didn't even use his X-Calibur, an attack which was portrayed as being in the same level as a Kong Gun, Zoro isn't the only one who is saving energy to fight the real problems, the only reason Zoro turned serious was because he saw Kiku's severed arm, otherwise they would still be fighting, meaning none of them was interested in wasting energy against Apoo.

And Apoo's music punch left a mark in an off guard Luffy and didn't turn Luffy in his serious state, while Ulti used her base Ul-Zugan while Luffy was on guard, also left a mark, and made Luffy realize he was understamating Kaido's crew (all of that after Luffy fought Apoo)