Eminiteable
He/Him- 7,401
- 6,631
@KingTempest could you add Eustass Kid's 7-A+ scaling to the first post with the justifications being he harmed Apoo & took attacks from him?
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
One Piece High 7-A Field Day (Wano+ Edition)
- Thread starter KingTempest
- Start date
- Status
- 15,438
- 15,404
I totally agree with Baseline High 7-A Katakuri BTW, that's my opinion
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #283
Gotcha
Edit: How do you guys want the wording?
Edit: I forgot you said first post.
Last edited:
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #284
Wano-Arc Eustass Kid
- Attack Potency: At least Mountain level+ (Was shown comparable to Luffy in strength with one hand during their time in Udon. Could harm Scratchmen Apoo).
Eminiteable
He/Him- 7,401
- 6,631
Looks good to me except whats the "at least" justification?
- 8,155
- 2,590
A note would be fine if you think it is too much for his AP section, but i think "one shot Apoo with an Ittoryu attack, so his Nitoryu and Santoryu attacks should be at this level" isn't that big.
- 8,155
- 2,590
It probably wasn't Tempest reasons to add the "at least", but it seems his attacks do become stronger the more he adds metal to them, going by his recent talk with Killer, so an at least should be fine if he adds "can create stronger attacks by adding more metal".
Eminiteable
He/Him- 7,401
- 6,631
Fair enough I guess
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #290
Gotcha. Remove the current rating as well?
Eminiteable
He/Him- 7,401
- 6,631
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #292
His current rating is this.
Attack Potency: Likely Mountain level (Should be superior to Killer who he is the captain of and fought with against Kaido, was shown comparable to Luffy in strength during their time in Udon)
Should I remove it and put this?
Attack Potency: At least Mountain level+ (Was shown comparable to Luffy in strength with one hand during their time in Udon. Could harm Scratchmen Apoo).
Or combine them like this.
Attack Potency: At least Mountain level+ (Should be superior to Killer who he is the captain of and fought with against Kaido, was shown comparable to Luffy in strength with one hand during their time in Udon. Could harm Scratchmen Apoo).
Attack Potency: Likely Mountain level (Should be superior to Killer who he is the captain of and fought with against Kaido, was shown comparable to Luffy in strength during their time in Udon)
Should I remove it and put this?
Attack Potency: At least Mountain level+ (Was shown comparable to Luffy in strength with one hand during their time in Udon. Could harm Scratchmen Apoo).
Or combine them like this.
Attack Potency: At least Mountain level+ (Should be superior to Killer who he is the captain of and fought with against Kaido, was shown comparable to Luffy in strength with one hand during their time in Udon. Could harm Scratchmen Apoo).
- 31,208
- 27,406
Fighting against Kaido doesn't belong on there, since for all we know he was stomped.
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #294
Second one it is then
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #295
Eustass Kid is a locked profile.
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #297
Attack Potency: At least Mountain level+ (Was shown comparable to Luffy in strength with one hand during their time in Udon. Harmed Scratchmen Apoo who could clash with X Drake, can create even stronger attacks by adding more metal).
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #299
Attack Potency: Mountain level (Was shown comparable to Base Luffy in strength with one hand during their time in Udon), At least Mountain level+ with metal arm (Harmed Scratchmen Apoo who could clash with X Drake, can create even stronger attacks by adding more metal).
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #300
Also, Eustass Kid is still locked
- 801
- 252
Sorry, my rival, but I disagree.
It's the true that at the beginning of the story Luffy and Zoro were kinda near to eacher other, but since Ennies Lobby the gap has only grown.
Luffy fought against Lucci who was 4000 dorikis and Zoro fought Kaku with 2200 dorikis, while Sanji fought Jabura with 2180.
It's pretty clear that Oda started to portray Sanji and Zoro on the same level and Luffy above them.
As Oda said, Zoro and Sanji are Luffy's most trustworthy men and who looks at his back.
Luffy Is clearly portrayed on different level, he defeated the Pacifista alone while Zoro did It with Sanji, he always walk to the boss while the cook and swordman cover his back. If Zoro was near or equal to Luffy, then we wouldn't see Zoro covering Luffy's back alongside Sanji, and we would see the swordman being escorted by the cook.
It's clear that Oda decided to increase the gap between Luffy and Zoro, and well, people on this site even disagree with Sanji being comparable to Zoro and think that the swordman would easily defeat him (when Oda itself makes fun of this bullshit, there Is the gag of Sanji = 1,000 men and Zoro saying that then he's = to 2000 men and Nami telling him "yeah, yeah..")
But well, if I you are mad my rival friend what should I say? I can't even hope for an upgrade for Sanji when he had a clash with King and should scale to Zoro since they're rivals and portrayed on a similar level (Zoro clearly has the edge). But I have to wait for feats that can't be denied by Sanji's haters. I would like to even make a topic about Sanji, since I don't get how he Is ranked so low.
Honestly, If I have to say my opinion about last chapter: Zoro should scale well above Apoo, I think that Zoro should scale higher than Dressrosa Luffy, because now he has enma and even people as Jack are considered to be well above Doflamingo (Jack = Strong, Mingo = too weak, Kaido's words), but I would like to wait for Drake, he can still possibly be stronger than that (He was considered a Calamity candidate).
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #302
In that arc, Oda said in the databook that Zoro and Luffy were equals.
Base Zoro matched an amped Kaku. Kaku was getting shat on so badly he needed his Hybrid form to fight Zoro with 2-3 swords. Asura Zoro one shot him.
Sanji struggled with a base Jabra then needed multiple Diable Jambe hits on him to put him down after he was amped.
They both negged the Pacifista, their rivalry gets in the way.
X Drake was a Tobiroppo. Luffy was gonna go gear fourth right when Ulti transformed.
Hybrid X Drake matched Apoo who Zoro negged with 1 sword.
Sanji with a raid suit couldn't even beat Page One.
Post timeskip, I'll use Doriki to show the strength of the villains.
3rd place, 1000. Sanji struggles.
2nd place, 1001. Zoro one shots with no issues.
1st place, 1500. Luffy struggles.
Sanji fought Vergo. That's it. Oven has no good feats, he lost to Page One and ran away, idk. King rammed him and sent him to the other side of the war zone.
We're putting him at High 7-A, Bounce-man Luffy level.
Eminiteable
He/Him- 7,401
- 6,631
Kid's profile isn't locked for me so if staff agree with this I could apply it. We also need Kid's durability and justification.
- 801
- 252
Databook <<< manga.
Lol nope. Jabura has an higher durability than Kaku (he's the master of the tekkai) that's why Sanji need 1 normal diable jambe hit and one diable jambe name attack. While Zoro ashura had to first use a move to counter-attack Kaku's attack and then he one-shotted him. But even Zoro used two attacks and Kaku didn't have his tekkai active when Zoro has attacked him, while Jabura always has his tekkai actived.
Sanji without diable jambe and without haki, who was testing the suit and who left Page one to Usopp. Sanji is the same who takes strong opponents when he knows his friends can't handle with them (Jabura, X-Drake...)
So Page One is just a waste of time for Sanji.
Sure, sure.
yeah, injured Sanji fought Vergo in a close space, when his forte are air attacks (he said that to Judge) and when Sanji usually hurts himself because with his attacks, because his attacks are too strong for his durability.
Oven is confirmed by vivrecard to have the sturdest body in the charlotte family, and Cracker without haki could take Luffy's tankman attack. Oven's durability > Cracker's one.
Not enough? Injured Judge fought against Snack, a former commander, and healthy Judge would have lost to Sanji without his human shield.
Try again.
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #305
My bad. I switched computers and I forgot to log in to the wiki. It's unlocked for me.
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #306
Base Zoro ~ Amped Kaku > Base Kaku > Base Jabra > Sanji. Your point is? Manga said it.
No. His specialty is tekkai. Specialty ≠ best. Zoro's specialty in the group is Armament but Luffy has better armament than him.
Zoro turned his attack into nothing then one shot him. We're gonna say Toppo doesn't scale to Frieza cause he destroyed his attack first?
Where was it stated or shown that he didn't use haki?
You mean the Page one that with one hand threw an on guard Sanji into a building?
Scaling chain above.
His attacks are durability negation.
Biologically, not overall. Or what, Sanji > Katakuri and Luffy now? Or Big Mom too?
You mean the snack that lost to Eustass Kid? Former commander my ass. No wonder why he's not a commander anymore.
Former commander doesn't mean anything. You're scaling off of position. Sabo's the 2nd strongest in the revolutionary army and he stresses with Fujitora who scales to Gear 2nd and 3rd Luffy.
Or what, Fujitora ~ Akainu now? Gear 2nd Luffy = Akainu Level You guys.
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #307
Error
Kid has
Kid has
- Attack Potency: Mountain level (Was shown comparable to Base Luffy in strength with one hand during their time in Udon), At least Mountain level+ with metal arm (Harmed Scratchmen Apoo who could clash with X Drake, can create even stronger attacks by adding more metal).
- Durability: Mountain level+ (Took an attack from Eustass Kid, His tonfas took attacks from a human-allosaurus hybrid form X Drake).
- 31,208
- 27,406
Do you mean the circular scaling of Apoo to Kid and Kid to Apoo?
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #309
Yep
Eminiteable
He/Him- 7,401
- 6,631
@KingTempest @Lgamer099_99 I'm not sure since I haven't read these walls of text but it looks like it isn't relevant to the current discussion.
@KingTempest just remove the "at least" from Kid and leave it as "Mountain level+" and add higher for any greater degree of metal attacks he can perform.
@KingTempest just remove the "at least" from Kid and leave it as "Mountain level+" and add higher for any greater degree of metal attacks he can perform.
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #311
And I wanted to say this before.
The Yonko have a circular scaling between them too.
Whitebeard > Kaido ~ Big Mom > Blackbeard (shouldn't be too far below) Big Mom > Blackbeard (shouldn't be too far below) Big Mom > Blackbeard (shouldn't be too far below) Big Mom >
Yeah you understand
The Yonko have a circular scaling between them too.
Whitebeard > Kaido ~ Big Mom > Blackbeard (shouldn't be too far below) Big Mom > Blackbeard (shouldn't be too far below) Big Mom > Blackbeard (shouldn't be too far below) Big Mom >
Yeah you understand
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #312
Actually nevermind for Apoo, the other justification for his rating is scaling to X Drake, so it's all good.
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #313
Eustass Kid, done.
I wanted to work on the scabbards too. Inu and Neku scale to Apoo so they get Mountain+.
I just noticed that Jack took an attack from Zunisha who's 6-C... umm?
I wanted to work on the scabbards too. Inu and Neku scale to Apoo so they get Mountain+.
I just noticed that Jack took an attack from Zunisha who's 6-C... umm?
Can we scale this to Zunisha? Kaido's the strongest beast, so he should be over Zunisha's 6-C, and the other yonko scale to him.
Eminiteable
He/Him- 7,401
- 6,631
no this was removed in the past, Kaido's "known as the strongest creature", unlike with Whitebeard or Mihawk who don't have hearsay attached to their titles.
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #315
Even the narrator's Hearsay? Damn it.
Well, the Yonko have circular scaling w/ no good justification
Well, the Yonko have circular scaling w/ no good justification
Eminiteable
He/Him- 7,401
- 6,631
Yeah even the narrator says "This pirate is said to be the strongest creature in the world" and pretty much every time they've referred to Kaido as this title they usually have a level of hearsay on it.
What do you suggest is changed to the Yonko scaling to fix the circular scaling?
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #317
Damn it. Alright then.
Just noticed that Queen called Zoro and X Drake 2nd and 3rd in strength, with the presence of Jinbe, who (via the OP) is High 7-A.
Just noticed that Queen called Zoro and X Drake 2nd and 3rd in strength, with the presence of Jinbe, who (via the OP) is High 7-A.
- 8,155
- 2,590
Kaido and Bigmon have their own tier 6 feat no? Blackbeard is the only one without a feat or something better than "is also an Yonkou"
We saw their fight? Kid could very well have used a huge amount of metal just like he is planning to do right now, he is 7A+ for his standard sized hands after all, it would still put Judge in 7A+ for fighting him while injured.
- 8,155
- 2,590
Which was already agreed to be talking about his point of view and that alone.
- 21,468
- 30,790
- Thread starter
- #320
As the 2nd commander of Kaido who is witnessing Jinbe, Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Usopp, Kid, Law, and all of the above, while probably knowing about Jinbe because of his title and name, that means a lot.
- Status
Similar threads
