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fair to me.
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One Piece God-High Tiers Revision
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That works
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Would the same go for Jozu?
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Jozu has no reason to scale to that feat, and he has no scaling outside of the admirals
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So would 6-B for him be fine? or Likely 6-B
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Marco and Jozu being 6-B for now is fine to me
If King and Queen start matching Marco and being said to be comparable to him, we have a difficult conversation to have
If King and Queen start matching Marco and being said to be comparable to him, we have a difficult conversation to have
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If that happens, then I believe that marco/jozu/ and ace will all have to be downgraded. The admirals, rayleigh, Yonko, and other god tiers stay at 6-B for sure though.
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works for me
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Most likely, Perospero will run interference
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I think this bit should be removed. He literally lost in their exchange of attacks, whether you believe it was purely through Devil Fruit superiority or not, Ace couldn't match Akainu's attack.
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Yeah, I think the idea that Ace only lost to Akainu because of a hierachy of devil fruits is not correct
Akainu is blatantly stronger in my eyes
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I agree
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Will they though? Ace is already getting a 7A likely 6b and hes scaling primarily to his own advent. And jozus scaling to his own feat. The king queen thing should only affect marco. And even then honestly rn they're barely taking damage from this attacks, kings tanking hits in base
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I mean to be fair he may be tanking it, but he's still losing. Not to mention marco is getting 2v1ed and he's about to get 3v1ed. Also, it should apply to ace and jozu, considering marco has better feats than them both against the same people.
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Let's just avoid Wano Arc altogether in this thread for now.
That will be addressed in time, and the fight isn't over yet.
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That's fine.
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Yeah, just need confirmation onto whether jozu and ace can be changed, and it's done
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Changes have been applied. We're good
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Thread can be closed
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That's fair. Jozu hurting Aokiji is his most significant feat, but he's also had a feat of him charging into Crocodile (an admittedly inconsistent character as well) and not stomping him straight away. And the damage he did to Aokiji is ultimately quite minor.
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Are there any suggestions for his scaling?
Aokiji transformed into Ice right before he got tackled (which is why most of his body shattered), but he still drew blood.
And @Ant, the Doflamingo antifeat is known as a lifting strength feat for Doflamingo, not an anti AP feat for Jozu. And he didn't get stomped by Akainu, they fought offscreen then he negated his durability and froze him to the bone, which is why his arm fell off after the war (via Durability negation, not attack potency).
Aokiji transformed into Ice right before he got tackled (which is why most of his body shattered), but he still drew blood.
And @Ant, the Doflamingo antifeat is known as a lifting strength feat for Doflamingo, not an anti AP feat for Jozu. And he didn't get stomped by Akainu, they fought offscreen then he negated his durability and froze him to the bone, which is why his arm fell off after the war (via Durability negation, not attack potency).
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Attack Potency: At least High 7-A (Far superior to Crocodile, and should be comparable to Ace), possibly Country level (Could wound Aokiji with a surprise attack)
Durability: Country level with Devil Fruit (Withstood an attack from Mihawk that was meant for Whitebeard)
Just a suggestion.
Transforming into ice wouldn't protect him from the attack, due to Haki.
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Looks valid
His body turned into huge Ice blocks. Haki didn't shut off everything.
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Mihawk strictly launched a long distance air pressure swipe against Jozu, not an actual full power sword strike.
Also, Vista seems like the second-strongest commander after Marco, given that he helped out against Mihawk and Akainu, so maybe we should rate him as 6-B as well?
Also, Vista seems like the second-strongest commander after Marco, given that he helped out against Mihawk and Akainu, so maybe we should rate him as 6-B as well?
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Fine by me. I would also like to add that jozu got frozen by aokiji stiff, and couldn't get out, but doffy could.
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I mean I think possibly would be better for vista since I don't believe Mihawk was trying.
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Haki doesn't stop the user from turning into their element. In fact it would shut off any advantage he'd gain from turning into ice, unless he specifically dodged out of the way.
It was a long-distance slash, so it may not be as powerful as a full 6-B close-range attack from Mihawk, but it's still his only significant durability feat, isn't it?
We could say he has "Likely 6-B durability".
We could rate him as Likely 6-B. He ultimately didn't harm either of those opponents, and his fight with Mihawk was off-screen after the moment they clashed.
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The Whitebeard War would have turned out differently if Sengoku hadn't sat on his ass until Luffy was by Ace's side, freeing him.
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For Jozu's durability in diamond form a full 6-B rating should be fine considering he's described as having "Unparalleled Toughness".
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Well, they have not been portrayed as equals in terms of combat prowess. The one from Wano is not portrayed as nearly as strong as Marco for example.
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Okay then.
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I agree. A statement can be made, and easily be contradicted by the narrative. For example, chinjao busting a "continent" it was stated, but it's contradicted by the fact that it doesn't look like one AT ALL.
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What ¿ no. Aokiji simply never intended to kill doffy, if he did he would. He most likely just froze over him not from the inside out cuz luffy, sanji and zoro also got frozen. Aokiji did jozu differently and actually dura neg by freezing him to the very core.
I'd argue that conquerors haki can neg certain elements like doffy to kuzan, luffy to monet but need more factual evidence. That's for a different thread.
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