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One Piece God-High Tiers Revision
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I referenced the Doflamingo portion in the beginning. Doffy only got Jozu because he was offguard and wasn't focused towards him at all (also, he just grabbed him, which wouldn't count as Attack Potency, but lifting I'm assuming), and Ace is definitely far weaker than Whitebeard but he could/would backscale for leaving light burns on him, and the Ace that burned WB isn't even the strongest version of Ace.
We all agree that Ace would get stomped though, no questions asked, but Ace still backscales.
We all agree that Ace would get stomped though, no questions asked, but Ace still backscales.
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My point is just that I don’t believe that you guys should have such a problem with the rating here then. What’s then wrong with for yonkos, “At least 6-B, likely higher” and for The rest just a simple 6-B” it still would come up in the same shoes, regardless of where they’re scaled.
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I don't think it's great scaling when we're only relying on a statement from the novel for this and we can't see the extent of the damage ourselves. The manga has always put Whitebeard way ahead of Ace.
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Do you believe that the admirals/jozu, and Marco are fine being 6-B?
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I agree with this.
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What's the Low 6-B calc they'd be scaling to?
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If Dressrosa Luffy could break Doflamingo's strongest thread, and Jozu couldn't break the regular threads, that isn't very impressive.
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They would probably have to downscale from being several times weaker.
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The Admirals and Marco, yes.
Jozu I'm a lot less sure of it. He charged into Aokiji with Haki, and it only resulted in a pretty small bit of blood from Aokiji's face. And then of course he got stomped afterwards.
EDIT: Unironically Luffy caused by more damage to Garp than Jozu did to Aokiji. That's not enough for Luffy to scale to Garp, but enough for Jozu to scale to Aokiji?
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Ace has feats on that level, again nobody had issues whenever Ace and Kaido were buddies in High 7-A which is even smaller than 6-B.
"Likely" 6-B should be the worst rating possible. The most you can argue against is "At least Low 6-B+, Likely 6-B."
Backscaling from 14 Teratons wouldn't make you Low 6-B.
"Likely" 6-B should be the worst rating possible. The most you can argue against is "At least Low 6-B+, Likely 6-B."
Backscaling from 14 Teratons wouldn't make you Low 6-B.
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They would still be 6-B though, since the calc is pretty high into 6-B.
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Read my comment up above on that.
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The manga always put Whitebeard far above the Ace we see in training, which is the Ace prior to give him a burn.
And the statement from the novel is support, not our main scaling.
Jozu wasn't in the position of where he could break threads. He was caught under parasite and wasn't allowed to move.
And I already brought up the inconsistencies with Jozu scaling in the OP Ant, it would put Luffy above admirals again.
Aokiji was transforming into Ice prior to when he got slammed by Jozu, so he brought the wounds to a minimum, but the wound on his face is the only place not logiafied.
And Jozu did not get stomped. He was caught off guard and he was frozen because he was worrying about Whitebeard. He showed no injuries from that prior.
And like I said, please stop using Luffy's marineford feats to devalue other feats.
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Also Damage really needs to stop with these PIS filled feats for Luffy and using them in comparison to the Yonko Commanders.
Luffy as of Marineford is entirely inconsistent, let's seriously not be purposely ignorant with our false comparisons.
Luffy as of Marineford is entirely inconsistent, let's seriously not be purposely ignorant with our false comparisons.
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We all know that Luffy hitting garp was PIS, and that garp was having flashbacks of him, Luffy and Ace and he LET luffy HIT him. So why are you comparing this to Jozu? It's not like Aokiji just let Jozu hit him, lol.
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I did and said comment is flawed.
Really dude? Using Marineford Luffy's inconsistent feats to devalue others? That pretty low, especially considering you yourself know the amount of PIS involved with his feats.
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Because the whole thing is just weird. Jozu gets like one decent AP feat in Marineford = okay for him to scale to Aokiji.
Luffy gets half a dozen feats in Marineford. But he cannot scale to 6-B.
So the alternative is that characters like Garp possibly aren't that all high just by themselves. Garp didn't shield himself with Haki because he lowered his guard, but he can't just lower the natural durability of his body, can he?
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Using that Logic would be like saying Luffy is on the level of Akainu, who garp would've killed like he claimed. Why are you lowballing again? Luffy couldn't do anything, we ALL know him hitting Garp is nothing but PIS/An Outlier, and I KNOW for a fact you know what is/isn't an outlier.
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Damage. This is Jozu's only feat.
Do you want Luffy to scale to 6-B? Because Luffy has at least 6 tier 7 feats he can scale off. If you want 6-B Marineford Luffy, go ahead.
Damage, maybe we can consider low tiers hurting God tiers as PIS, unless you want to say those that Luffy in base couldn't hurt (Or page 1, who tanked an elephant gun) are all stronger than Garp.
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I'm seeing a lot of pointless what if circumstances and "possibly" being thrown around a lot in disguise of an actual argument.
Like seriously stop arguing over the same shit that we've accepted as PIS for literally years now, this is both low and pathetic to be frank.
"But what if Luffy scales to Garp since he punched him??"
He doesn't, anyone in the Fandom would tell you this is a massive inconsistency.
Like seriously stop arguing over the same shit that we've accepted as PIS for literally years now, this is both low and pathetic to be frank.
"But what if Luffy scales to Garp since he punched him??"
He doesn't, anyone in the Fandom would tell you this is a massive inconsistency.
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I get why it would be easy to default to these being PIS, but part of me wants to find rational explanations for these occurences. Which isn't always going to be the case since it's fiction.
But I'll stop bringing up Luffy now on this thread.
You can't tell me to stop talking about anything. I thought you were leaving this forum?
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PIS, so luffy could get by and save his brother, and just to show that garp deep down cares for luffy and ace. Also, that's good then.
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If Jozu becomes 6B thats a good feat for doffy. nice
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There's a valid reason why Luffy has never been tier 6 in Marineford at any point in his profile, each time it was brought up it was rejected. As a mod I'd expect you to know such self-fulfilling questions.
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Hmm let's see, first of all it might behoove you not to take words so literally. Let's not be overly sensitive and pretend I'm forcing to to do anything Mr "You can't tell me to stop talking about anything but I also do the same thing to users consistently."
You used a flawed argument that everyone rode you for earlier, you know the argument itself is flawed yet you continue to ride on the same argument.
Also quite frankly that's none of your business, if I wish to stay or leave I'll do so. Which is funny since we were talking about attempts to devalue people earlier, which is exactly what your doing with this. Nice try tho
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It's also similar to Dadan beating up garp, and him letting her.
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Anyways, the Jozu example is flawed.
You don't scale to a horse by default by jumping on it and stopping it from running. Dadan hurt Garp and Makino held her back from hitting Garp again, does Makino scale to Garp now?
And saying "I don't think this novel statement is good enough" is nothing but ignoring feats. WB got burned by Ace's heat. It's obviously not a square inch sized burn or else he wouldn't be at the doctors saying "Ace is getting stronger". We're not ignoring it.
We're not ignoring a feat because we don't see it or like it.
And like I said
Before the 6-B feats, Ace had the highest AP applicable feat done by admirals, yonko, commanders, or anyone (except Zunisha). Guess where we'd scale WB to, the exact same feat. Not arbitrarily above.
Can we stop scaling people massively below others all because "we think they're lower"? Frankly, it's annoying and unnecessary.
You don't scale to a horse by default by jumping on it and stopping it from running. Dadan hurt Garp and Makino held her back from hitting Garp again, does Makino scale to Garp now?
And saying "I don't think this novel statement is good enough" is nothing but ignoring feats. WB got burned by Ace's heat. It's obviously not a square inch sized burn or else he wouldn't be at the doctors saying "Ace is getting stronger". We're not ignoring it.
We're not ignoring a feat because we don't see it or like it.
We do not scale off of stopping people from running from behind.
And like I said
Apply this same energy for everyone you want downgraded. If Jozu pulled consistent High 6-A feats, we're not gonna drop him lower than his own feat because WB would scale to it.
Before the 6-B feats, Ace had the highest AP applicable feat done by admirals, yonko, commanders, or anyone (except Zunisha). Guess where we'd scale WB to, the exact same feat. Not arbitrarily above.
Can we stop scaling people massively below others all because "we think they're lower"? Frankly, it's annoying and unnecessary.
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Can’t we use it to prove that parasito can stop the movement of a 6B character? not saying we should scale mingo’s attack potency or durability btw.
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That's lifting. We would say Parasito can overpower a Class T lifting strength character.
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Body Puppetry is typically a hax so I don't think that really works.
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Nah, let's go all out. Doflamingo stomped Jozu's momentum. He overcame the energy of a 6-B charge. So let's upgrade Doffy to 6-B as well.
How is attaching strings to someone and immobilizing them hax? Don't his strings have physical durability to them, and they didn't snap when they touched Jozu?
How is attaching strings to someone and immobilizing them hax? Don't his strings have physical durability to them, and they didn't snap when they touched Jozu?
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Regarding Jozu this was discussed in the past and it was agreed to that his AP would not scale to Jozu's.
Checking Doffy's profile you would see that:
Attack Potency: Mountain level with Black Knight (Pressured Trafalgar Law, and could hurt and overpower Base Luffy), At least Mountain level+ (Should be stronger than Vergo physically. Defeated Law twice. Easily defeated Sanji, One-shot Smoker, could injure Base Luffy and easily bested his Gear 2nd. The likes of Zoro and Fujitora combined were incapable of stopping Doflamingo's Bird-Cage threads), possibly Large Mountain level himself (Despite being physically inferior to Gear 4th Luffy, Doflamingo was capable of pressuring him and held Luffy at bay for over 20 minutes)
Lifting Strength: Unknown, at least Class G (Was able to restrain Law and clash with Luffy several times), possibly Class T with his threads (Restrained Jozu)
Checking Doffy's profile you would see that:
Attack Potency: Mountain level with Black Knight (Pressured Trafalgar Law, and could hurt and overpower Base Luffy), At least Mountain level+ (Should be stronger than Vergo physically. Defeated Law twice. Easily defeated Sanji, One-shot Smoker, could injure Base Luffy and easily bested his Gear 2nd. The likes of Zoro and Fujitora combined were incapable of stopping Doflamingo's Bird-Cage threads), possibly Large Mountain level himself (Despite being physically inferior to Gear 4th Luffy, Doflamingo was capable of pressuring him and held Luffy at bay for over 20 minutes)
Lifting Strength: Unknown, at least Class G (Was able to restrain Law and clash with Luffy several times), possibly Class T with his threads (Restrained Jozu)
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Ayy lesss get it
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Even if you went along the route of Doffy stopping Jozu's momentum he still wouldn't scale to the tackle that harmed Aokiji since Jozu used haki which is a damage boost; meaning Doffy wouldn't scale regardless.
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I'm sure if we summoned CinCameron here, we could get a wall of text proving why Doflaming being 6-B is logical and consistent.
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That's cool. He's not here, and he hasn't touched one of the many OP CRTs that there's been.
And if you think putting someone that scales below Gear Fourth Dressrosa Luffy that close to the Yonko when Luffy got 1 shot by one is consistent, there's a serious issue.
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If he can prove haki increased the momentum of Jozu's tackle then sure he's welcome to prove why it's logical and consistent.
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