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This cannot be true. The Whitebeard War simply could not have worked as it did if Whitebeard had 14 Marco-level fighters on his side.
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One Piece God-High Tiers Revision
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This cannot be true. The Whitebeard War simply could not have worked as it did if Whitebeard had 14 Marco-level fighters on his side.
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I think he's referring to the one saying Marco is equal to the admirals but that statement would only apply to Marco and no one else.
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I just stated that to play devil's advocate. Plus there's no evidence that he froze Doflamingo not nearly as much as he froze jozu.
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I agree.
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Most islands in one piece look like they span for 2 miles. But that changes when we get exact measurements.
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You realize chinjao busting it has long since been calced right? Not to mention it's shown to not be long at all in the anime itself, even if anime can be flawed. It was not a continent, pretty simple.
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Overall, I feel like the only people who should get the 6-B ratings are jozu, ace, and vista, while marco, admirals, rayleigh, and beckman are also at 6-B. Is that fine?
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Sounds good.
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Agree with this 100%
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However, the only problem I have is that blackbeard was getting his ass handed to by a near-dead WB, which does make it a bit controversial for me, but it is only possibly, and for scaling to ace, which is alright ig.
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When i say commanders i would be reffering to marco, jozu & vista. They were consistent through the war arc. Doffy holding jozu back is like pre g2 luffy sending aokiji flying.
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I disagree with you. If they were all equal I don't think jozu and vista would've had a problem of defeating them, if they were on par with marco, who was ACTUALLY doing something, then it would be more reasonable. It's already contradicted by the narrative too.
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The islands in the anime look like they span 2miles too.
But anyway. Only care about marco anyway so if marco gets 6-B and others likely i see no problem as it has been said he wss equal and right now he's been holding off 2 of the commanders by himself for a long period of time which is consistent with the statements and feats.
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Those are islands, I'm talking about "continent"
I agree with marco being 6-B, the others should be 6-B too, I don't care about possibly 6-B for them though.
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Vista fought against mihawk + offscreen for some time. Vista contributed in stopping akainu with marco. Jozu stopped a sword slash which was to "test" his strength against whitebeard and jozu blocked and deflected. Jozu fought kuzan off screen for while till he got frozen which is a bad match up for jozu considering the fact that he is physical and all it takes is a touch from aokiji to break him in two. Jozu also forced him into element state and kuzan drew blood.
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Might need to elaborate on that but just leave it for now. Need to get this thread over with.
Ima stay neutral, Marco and admirals for 6-B.
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1. Mihawk didn't try. 2. Stopped Mihawk's sword slash that was casual with huge effort behind it, imagine if he got spammed with them. 3. Not a bad match up, he just lost, he only hurt kuzan once, and ended up losing, doesn't matter if he drew blood or not, it's one thing. Also, saying they fought offscreen doesn’t mean anything, aokiji was fine after freezing him, it could’ve just been pure domination from aokiji, we have no way to tell that. I do think Jozu should still be 6-B though, but it's something I wouldn't mind.
Regardless, I don't think anything should really change, including jozu.
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Agreed, and jozu too.
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Yeah, nvm Jozu should stay 6-B too.
EDIT: Nothing should change.
EDIT: Nothing should change.
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They flat out say that Doffy wasn't frozen all the way while Jozu was frozen to the bone and his arm broke off... Kuzan didn't even make contact with Doffy while he had to hold on to Jozu until his body froze up.
What?
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You're right about that. Then yes, Jozu should be 6-B.
They flat out say that Doffy wasn't frozen all the way while Jozu was frozen to the bone and his arm broke off... Kuzan didn't even make contact with Doffy while he had to hold on to Jozu until his body froze up.
What?
EDIT: I believe this thread can be closed now, as no one agrees with the compromise, and is fine with the new upgrades, but before that happens I think Pre-Timeskip, pre gura-gura BB should be 6-B too (if not ap, durability for sure). Hopefully these upgrades also confirm that as Whitebeard got weaker, his DF power didn't by TOO much since he's still able to whoop akainu and teach. (went from 26 teratons at first, down to like 14ish) @Damage3245 @Antvasima
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So what are the conclusions here? I personally do not think that Jozu has any feats of a 6-B scale. Again, he was stopped by Doflamingo, stomped by Aokiji, and only stopped a very dispersed long distance air pressure slice from Mihawk, not remotely a full power sword swing.
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In Jozu's defense he's a physcial fighter which puts him at a disadvantage due to aokiji only needing to touch him to freeze him to the core. If u look above we tell that jozu himself was fighting kuzan offsceen for quite some time evenly, the only thing that led him to his defeat was the fact that he was caught off gaurd due to marco's situation in which kuzan took advatage off which he states himself.
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My suggestion is to put him as "At least High 7-A, possibly 6-B" for both AP and Dura.
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What would his High 7-A end be for? What is that based on?
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Scaling to Ace, instead of Ace scaling to him.
And he could easily dominate Crocodile who has some scaling to Doflamingo.
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Then wouldn't we have to find a scaling chain between Jozu, Ace, Doflamingo, and Crocodile then put a new key for Crocodile?
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I assumed there already would be one, since it has on Ace's profile that he should be comparable to Jozu, no?
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That seems fine to me.
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Ace's profile says that he should be comparable to both Marco and Jozu
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Ace was comparable to Jinbe and Yamato before his training with the Whitebeard Pirates. Same with the second one with Whitebeard. After his training he became astronomically stronger.
As time passed, Ace grew stronger, which is why his strongest attack initially didn't do anything to Whitebeard, but over time he could burn him.
Akainu killed Ace because of plot. Ace wasn't overpowered because of AP, he ran in the path of Akainu's fist (which we've given Durability negation plus it has an elemental advantage over Ace) and it went through his heart. Ace punched Akainu's punch previously and he showed very minor damage.
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I say we add another Key to Ace before his training and after his training, because Ace fought Jinbe and Yamato in a previous key, so whatever Yamato or Jinbe scales to when we do revisions is what Ace will scale to.
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You realize aokiji froze him off guard right? Doflamingo stopping him means nothing.
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Sounds good and would clear up the confusion
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"Regarding Pre-Timeskip Blackbeard, shouldn‘t he scale to High 7-A, possibly 6-B just like Ace" - friend of mine
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Sure. He also needs his rating with the Gura Gura mentioned in his Pre-Timeskip key.
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Attack Potency: Large Mountain level, possibly Country level (Fought and defeated Portgas D. Ace, nearly breaking his neck with a single strike), Country level with Gura Gura no Mi (His Shima Yurashi is this strong).
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Regardless of rationalisations, Ace and Jozu do not have any feats of equally matching any 6-B level characters on-screen that I know of, so I think that we should stick with "At least 7-A, possibly 6-B", as stated above. Anything more than that seems like speculation or wishful thinking.
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