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We still have the statement from the databooks which states that the commanders are equals.
This cannot be true. The Whitebeard War simply could not have worked as it did if Whitebeard had 14 Marco-level fighters on his side.
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We still have the statement from the databooks which states that the commanders are equals.
I think he's referring to the one saying Marco is equal to the admirals but that statement would only apply to Marco and no one else.This cannot be true. The Whitebeard War simply could not have worked as it did if Whitebeard had 16 Marco-level fighters on his side.
I just stated that to play devil's advocate. Plus there's no evidence that he froze Doflamingo not nearly as much as he froze jozu.What ¿ no. Aokiji simply never intended to kill doffy, if he did he would. He most likely just froze over him not from the inside out cuz luffy, sanji and zoro also got frozen. Aokiji did jozu differently and actually dura neg by freezing him to the very core.
I'd argue that conquerors haki can neg certain elements like doffy to kuzan, luffy to monet but need more factual evidence. That's for a different thread.
I agree.I think he's referring to the one saying Marco is equal to the admirals but that statement would only apply to Marco and no one else.
Most islands in one piece look like they span for 2 miles. But that changes when we get exact measurements.I agree. A statement can be made, and easily be contradicted by the narrative. For example, chinjao busting a "continent" it was stated, but it's contradicted by the fact that it doesn't look like one AT ALL.
You realize chinjao busting it has long since been calced right? Not to mention it's shown to not be long at all in the anime itself, even if anime can be flawed. It was not a continent, pretty simple.Most islands in one piece look like they span for 2 miles. But that changes when we get exact measurements.
Sounds good.Well, maybe pre-TS BB as well, but except for that, it should be fine.
Overall, I feel like the only people who should get the possibly 6-B ratings are jozu, ace, and vista, while marco, admirals, rayleigh, and beckman are at 6-B. Is that fine?
Agree with this 100%Well, maybe pre-TS BB as well, but except for that, it should be fine.
When i say commanders i would be reffering to marco, jozu & vista. They were consistent through the war arc. Doffy holding jozu back is like pre g2 luffy sending aokiji flying.This cannot be true. The Whitebeard War simply could not have worked as it did if Whitebeard had 14 Marco-level fighters on his side.
I disagree with you. If they were all equal I don't think jozu and vista would've had a problem of defeating them, if they were on par with marco, who was ACTUALLY doing something, then it would be more reasonable. It's already contradicted by the narrative too.When i say commanders i would be reffering to marco, jozu & vista. They were consistent through the war arc. Doffy holding jozu back is like pre g2 luffy sending aokiji flying.
The islands in the anime look like they span 2miles too.You realize chinjao busting it has long since been calced right? Not to mention it's shown to not be long at all in the anime itself, even if anime can be flawed. It was not a continent, pretty simple.
Those are islands, I'm talking about "continent"The islands in the anime look like they span 2miles too.
But anyway. Only care about marco anyway so if marco gets 6-B and others likely i see no problem as it has been said he wss equal and right now he's been holding off 2 of the commanders by himself for a long period of time which is consistent with the statements and feats.
Vista fought against mihawk + offscreen for some time. Vista contributed in stopping akainu with marco. Jozu stopped a sword slash which was to "test" his strength against whitebeard and jozu blocked and deflected. Jozu fought kuzan off screen for while till he got frozen which is a bad match up for jozu considering the fact that he is physical and all it takes is a touch from aokiji to break him in two. Jozu also forced him into element state and kuzan drew blood.I disagree with you. If they were all equal I don't think jozu and vista would've had a problem of defeating them, if they were on par with marco, who was ACTUALLY doing something, then it would be more reasonable. It's already contradicted by the narrative too.
Might need to elaborate on that but just leave it for now. Need to get this thread over with.Those are islands, I'm talking about "continent"
I agree with marco being 6-B, the others should be 6-B too, I don't care about possibly 6-B for them though.
1. Mihawk didn't try. 2. Stopped Mihawk's sword slash that was casual with huge effort behind it, imagine if he got spammed with them. 3. Not a bad match up, he just lost, he only hurt kuzan once, and ended up losing, doesn't matter if he drew blood or not, it's one thing. Also, saying they fought offscreen doesn’t mean anything, aokiji was fine after freezing him, it could’ve just been pure domination from aokiji, we have no way to tell that. I do think Jozu should still be 6-B though, but it's something I wouldn't mind.Vista fought against mihawk + offscreen for some time. Vista contributed in stopping akainu with marco. Jozu stopped a sword slash which was to "test" how his strength against whitebeard and jozu blocked and deflected. Jozu fought kuzan off screen for while till he got frozen which is a bad match up for jozu considering the fact that he is physciall and all it takes is a touch from aokiji to break him in two. Jozu also forced him into element state and kuzan drew blood.
Agreed, and jozu too.Might need to elaborate on that but just leave it for now. Need to get this thread over with.
Ima stay neutral, Marco and admirals for 6-B.
Plus there's no evidence that he froze Doflamingo not nearly as much as he froze jozu.
You're right about that. Then yes, Jozu should be 6-B.
They flat out say that Doffy wasn't frozen all the way while Jozu was frozen to the bone and his arm broke off... Kuzan didn't even make contact with Doffy while he had to hold on to Jozu until his body froze up.
What?
So what are the conclusions here? I personally do not think that Jozu has any feats of a 6-B scale. Again, he was stopped by Doflamingo, stomped by Aokiji, and only stopped a very dispersed long distance air pressure slice from Mihawk, not remotely a full power sword swing.
Scaling to Ace, instead of Ace scaling to him.What would his High 7-A end be for? What is that based on?
I assumed there already would be one, since it has on Ace's profile that he should be comparable to Jozu, no?Then wouldn't we have to find a scaling chain between Jozu, Ace, Doflamingo, and Crocodile then put a new key for Crocodile?
That seems fine to me.My suggestion is to put him as "At least High 7-A, possibly 6-B" for both AP and Dura.
Ace's profile says that he should be comparable to both Marco and JozuI assumed there already would be one, since it has on Ace's profile that he should be comparable to Jozu, no?
Ace was comparable to Jinbe and Yamato before his training with the Whitebeard Pirates. Same with the second one with Whitebeard. After his training he became astronomically stronger.Ace was comparable to Jimbe or Kaido's daughter. He was unable to even harm Whitebeard while the latter was sleeping, and was effortlessly killed by Akainu.
You realize aokiji froze him off guard right? Doflamingo stopping him means nothing.So what are the conclusions here? I personally do not think that Jozu has any feats of a 6-B scale. Again, he was stopped by Doflamingo, stomped by Aokiji, and only stopped a very dispersed long distance air pressure slice from Mihawk, not remotely a full power sword swing.
Sounds good and would clear up the confusionI say we add another Key to Ace before his training and after his training, because Ace fought Jinbe and Yamato in a previous key, so whatever Yamato or Jinbe scales to when we do revisions is what Ace will scale to.
"Regarding Pre-Timeskip Blackbeard, shouldn‘t he scale to High 7-A, possibly 6-B just like Ace" - friend of mine
Attack Potency: Large Mountain level, possibly Country level (Fought and defeated Portgas D. Ace, nearly breaking his neck with a single strike), Country level with Gura Gura no Mi (His Shima Yurashi is this strong).Sure. He also needs his rating with the Gura Gura mentioned in his Pre-Timeskip key.