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One Piece Chapter 1016: "This is O-Tama!!" (Official Release)

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Well, Yamato is not exactly identifying himself as trans, just as Oden, so I am not sure. I am not a woke intersectionalist, for reasons that I have explained to you all earlier (my impression is that intersectionalism is recurrently extremely bigoted towards specific targets), but I do want to treat all decent people in a respectful manner, regardless of gender, sexuality, ethnicity, religion, disability, neurodiversity, etcetera, so it seems safest to try to remember to use male pronouns. At least until we receive contradictory information regarding the subject.
 
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As a trans woman myself, I think some of y'all are overthinking it. Whether or not Yamato is actually trans or is just kinning Oden, everyone uses He/Him and he doesn't correct them, so He/Him is the way to go. Just say "he's the daughter of Kaido" or add a note at the bottom of the page if you're really hung-up on that intro title.

Anyway Yamato's a ******* king, Didn't even feel like activating his Zoan when Kaido went into his Hybrid form, absolute chad energy
 
Yamato is great and i am hyped for him to be the 11th straw hat member

BTW, if memory serves, the "daughter" part is a mistranslation, the literal japanese meaning of the word is a gender-neutral term.
 
Okay. The issue seems to be settled then. And Yamato is very badass, yes.
 
to be fair i always called Yamato Her because just want to be like Oden

i wanted to called her if possible but if someone will find disrespectful then i'll call Yamato He or Him

by the way Zephyros are you really Trans?
 
When Yamato eventually gets a profile, all you'd need to do for him is put this:

Gender: Biologically female but identifies as male

Or:

Gender: Male (Biologically female)

Or some similar wording, to make it clear to users.
 
Amelia told me earlier that such a wording is a form of hate-speech against trans-people, but that trans-female/trans-male, combined with otherwise using preferred pronouns, is acceptable, so that is what we use as a standard in the wiki.

It isn't always easy to keep up with what kind of wording is or isn't acceptable nowadays, as different people find different things offensive.
 
Amelia told me earlier that such a wording is a form of hate-speech against trans-people, but that trans-female/trans-male, combined with otherwise using preferred pronouns, is acceptable.
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We'd still only use Male pronouns (he/him) on the profile. But listing Yamato as biologically female is not a form of hate speech, it is an undeniable fact. We'd still be listing Yamato's gender / preferred gender / preferred pronouns as Male.

Using the term "Trans-Male" doesn't bother me either though, so that would be fine.

"Hate speech" would be listing Yamato as purely female. I don't see how any person could see listing Yamato as biologically female but identifies as male is offensive when it is literally what is happening in the series.
 
Well, I thought so as well and used that approach earlier, but Amelia said that it was very offensive.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, I thought so as well and used that approach earlier, but Amelia said that it was very offensive.
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I can't disagree with their perspective, because their views are their own, but everyone is offended by something.

So all we can do is be factual and respectful. I consider any of the suggestions I've made to be both of those things.
 
Yes, I agree about that the entire point of wikis is to strive for factual accuracy, but postmodern intersectionalism has a totalitarian stranglehold on western civilisation, and the Fandom staff seems to strongly adhere to it, so these subjects are largely not up to polite discussion anymore. It is simply obey or have your life destroyed. As such we have to comply, and in addition, as I mentioned earlier, I much prefer to treat all decent people in a respectful and inoffensive manner anyway.
 
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but postmodern intersectionalism has a totalitarian stranglehold on western civilisation, and the Fandom staff seems to strongly adhere to it, so these subjects are largely not up to polite discussion anymore. It is simply obey or have your life destroyed.
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Respectfully this somewhat of a backhanded "acceptance" is not exactly embracing non-cis people.
 
Oh, I am definitely accepting them, have consistently tried to treat them well, and given that I am genuinely autistic, ADHD, somewhat mentally unstable, and used to be severely psychotic, I am arguably far more dysfunctional than the vast majority of them are. As an unusual mixture of democratic socialist, social-democrat, and left-libertarian, I just dislike all forms of divisive, bigoted, and/or totalitarian sentiments on principle. I want everybody to be able to have well-intentioned polite discussions without being severely punished for it, for example.
 
Antvasima said:
I am arguably far more dysfunctional than the vast majority of them are.
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Okay I respect what you revealed about yourself and I do not want to get into this here so I will not say anymore after this. Please do not imply non-cis people are disfunctional.

Best wishes everyone.
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I want everybody to be able to have well-intentioned polite discussions without being punished for it, for example.
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This^^ :) 🤝
 
My apologies. That was not my intention. My point was just that this is the main problem that I have with intersectionalism. That it seems to select just a few specific groups as automatic victims and other specific groups as automatic villains, regardless if it fits or not. For example, by rational measurement, many autistic and mentally ill people are far more harrassed and dysfunctional than non-cis people, and yet they have almost been ignored, and heterosexuals, Christians, caucasians, males, and westerners have been designated as automatically morally inferior to everybody else. If it had just been about being respectful to everybody, and opposing bigotry in all forms, I would have been all aboard.
 
Did Yamato just jump from 7A+ feats to 26 teratons? Like, what about Yamato shaking from G3? I get that attacks can be casual but defenses? I mean, there is no way G3 would be able to clash with Hybrid Kaido, and G3 didn't KO Paypay for more than 3 minutes iirc.
 
We'd have to see more of Yamato's performance.

(Or just maybe, Kaido's physical strikes aren't 26 Teratons)
 
XDragnoir said:
Did Yamato just jump from 7A+ feats to 26 teratons? Like, what about Yamato shaking from G3? I get that attacks can be casual but defenses? I mean, there is no way G3 would be able to clash with Hybrid Kaido, and G3 didn't KO Paypay for more than 3 minutes iirc.
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He didn't really jump from anywhere, he one-shot Ulti and defended against Gear 2nd+3rd Luffy's attacks (and even then while defending there wasn't an indication he was struggling.)
 
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Did Yamato just jump from 7A+ feats to 26 teratons? Like, what about Yamato shaking from G3? I get that attacks can be casual but defenses? I mean, there is no way G3 would be able to clash with Hybrid Kaido, and G3 didn't KO Paypay for more than 3 minutes iirc.
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Or you know Kaido just isn't 26 teratons.
 
Eminiteable said:
He didn't really jump from anywhere, he one-shot Ulti and defended against Gear 2nd+3rd Luffy's attacks (and even then while defending there wasn't an indication he was struggling.)
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One of the panels from their clash has Yamato trembling, you don't tremble from a 7A+ attack if you are 6B.
 
XDragnoir said:
One of the panels from their clash has Yamato trembling, you don't tremble from a 7A+ attack if you are 6B.
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His weapon is rattling, that isn't an indication of struggling. Either way when Yamato and Kaido clash it appears to be a Haoshoku clash; if Yamato can clash against Kaido it's likely only with Haoshoku coating similar to Luffy (we wouldn't claim regular base luffy is equal to haoshoku coating luffy so I see no issue scaling wise)
 
So Yamato is like, 7A+, 6B with haki?

Man, if the Marines feared/thought the Gura Gura had the power to destroy the world just tell them everyone is becoming as strong as it now days, they will love it.
 
ZephyrosOmega said:
Twitter's already going off on it

"Damn guess Ulti is the weakest of the Tobiroppo" is one of the first takes i saw logging on today
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To be fair, Ulti and Page both might be the weakest of the Tobi Roppo, but this in no way dismisses Nami as capable of harming them... with lightning... which has been stated in-canon several times now.

Ulti >> Nami tbh. She only won with Zeus' help AFTER Big Mom already weakened her vitality.

Damage3245 said:
We'd still only use Male pronouns (he/him) on the profile. But listing Yamato as biologically female is not a form of hate speech, it is an undeniable fact. We'd still be listing Yamato's gender / preferred gender / preferred pronouns as Male.

Using the term "Trans-Male" doesn't bother me either though, so that would be fine.

"Hate speech" would be listing Yamato as purely female. I don't see how any person could see listing Yamato as biologically female but identifies as male is offensive when it is literally what is happening in the series.
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I do believe we need to note that a character is the gender they identify as, but it is very important to make a note of the character's biology for the sole purpose that there are characters in fiction whose powers are more effective depending on gender. Yamato's identification as a male would hold nothing against powers built to harm females for example.

One such character I like to bring up is from Basilisk, Kagerou, a woman who has an ability where she produces breath that is useless against women, but can kill men.

Noting that a character has the biology of a male or female is important when making a versus debate as a match-up between a transgender and someone with a gender-specific ability could theoretically happen (and i'm certain has happened).

Hell, we got Ivankov, who can switch between male and female (and presumably a hermaphrodite if he so chose)
 
WrongIdea21 said:
Even though Nami gets help, they will still scale, this is the same as Luffy vs Doffy, which Law helps, after all, they are still scaling because they hurt each other.
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I mean, Luffy without G4 is either equal or below Doffy in certain aspects and G4 has it's own multiplier that is unrelated to Doffy's tier, it's Doffy who is (down)scaling from Luffy G4 and even then there is some discussion here and there about removing it since he did basically no damage to Luffy.

While Nami got help from BM (who completely KO'ed someone just a bit weaker than Ulti) and Nami herself is also using internal damage (Doffy and Luffy weren't, only Law was and as you can see he doesn't scale to Doffy at all).

And as Cameron said, Ulti, Paypay and also Maria are the weakest since they are the only in the F6 to not be a "Calamity candidate"
 
joshpiece said:
When was it stated they aren’t a candidate
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Sasaki says Page One couldn't dream of replacing them or something like that, and they are treated as kids by the others, seeing how it's a crew where power rules and they don't really seem to be friends, i doubt Sasaki would make jokes about the power of someone stronger than him. But if you want to place Pay tan and Ulti above Who's Who and Sasaki, no problem IMO.
 
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