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One Piece Chapter 1016: "This is O-Tama!!" (Official Release)
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Yeah it’s usually whenever two haki users clash. It was there for luffy and ulti’s clash and many others w/o HH iirc.
It’s kinda hard to know when they are directly using HH to coat unless it’s like what Roger/Wb did also BM against pay pay.
Yeah that’s true although I think they are all pretty relative to each other.
Although I believe Who’s Who to be the strongest. And who do y’all think he is btw?
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It can't be proven that Doflamingo is equal or stronger than Luffy in Gear 4th, but on that same token, it can't exactly be proven that Doflamingo is weaker than Gear 4th Luffy either (outside of us simply going based on "we don't see Doffy actually inflict a wound on Gear 4th"). Gotta remember the battle was off-panel, Doflamingo was not using Haki in his Awakening until after Leo Bazooka (aka, not going all out because he simply could not until he became bloodlusted/enraged), and both were injured to varying extents.
I wouldn't say Page is weaker than Ulti. It's very ambiguous who among the Tobi Roppo is stronger/weaker than the other.
I suggested Page and Ulti are the weakest. Idk where you got Maria being the weakest from. She wasn't interested at all in trying to challenge a Lead Performer and opt'd to simp for Kaido. Who's Who still seems likely to try and back-stab Queen. Sasaki is somewhat unknown, but also seemed eager to face a Lead Performer. X-Drake is the only one outright praised by the other Tobi Roppo, really.
I'd say: Drake > Who's Who >/= Sasaki = Maria > Page = Ulti. But they're all really close to eachother in power.
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Really cannot call Twitter dumb when VSWIKI is just as bad. Wano has been one of the worst arcs for people Jumping the Gun and scaling has suffered because of it.
By objective evidence Sasaki is by far the least impressive F6 only scaling to only Franky.
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They were introduced with Page One being portrayed as the weakest. And the whole world knows Ulti and Page One aren't far from each other.
If Usopp can hold you off, you're trash
If Usopp can hold you off, you're trash
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Yes thats why we arnt applying any Wano scaling yet, its why we are waiting until after the arc is over.
Also I will absolutely call Twitter dumb for a multitude of reasons beyond even just the OP shit.
Also I will absolutely call Twitter dumb for a multitude of reasons beyond even just the OP shit.
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Just a reminder that Ulti got up after a full power attack from Big Mom, and overpowered base Luffy. Even Queen was unable to cause any damage to BM.
I think that the Tobi Roppo member that Jinbe fights is likely the strongest, but Jinbe also singlehandedly has to fight his entire crew at the same time, so it is not certain. In any case, I have a very hard time seeing Ulti as the weakest. She has the best feats of the Tobi Roppo so far. I think that the one that fights Franky was easily beaten in one strike by Yamato though.
I think that the Tobi Roppo member that Jinbe fights is likely the strongest, but Jinbe also singlehandedly has to fight his entire crew at the same time, so it is not certain. In any case, I have a very hard time seeing Ulti as the weakest. She has the best feats of the Tobi Roppo so far. I think that the one that fights Franky was easily beaten in one strike by Yamato though.
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I mean technically he did manage to damage her skull ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Bump official release is out.
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I mean, no feats of him damaging G4 quite literally means he doesn't have feats at that level, he only has a H7A end... just read his page, he doesn't have the H7A end anymore?
Well, Paypay took pretty much two hits, an Elephant Gun and a Hao-Coated BM, while Ulti had a minor clash with Luffy, a quick KO by Yamato and a minor clash afterwards, took 2 thunder attacks before 1016 and a combined attack from BM's 3 big homies and was still good enough to tank a Zeus Kanabo and then dodge a Zeus Thunder once, that's much better than what Paypay went through during the Raid. Sure, i may be forgetting other things P1 did but i am sure they aren't major things.
That was my bad, i meant that Maria being one of the weakest was my own view.
Well, my scaling isn't that different:
Who's Who = Drake > Sasaki >/= Maria >/= Ulti > Paytan
Sure, they are close to each other and all of them will scale to 7A+ iirc, but as we all know being in the same tier doesn't suddenly erase scaling chains so Page and Ulti are in the weakest side even if they are in the same tier, so Nami and Usopp will keep being in the lower part of the Straw Hats, i mean, the people "against Ulti being the weakest" are thinking Nami will become the 4th strongest of the crew or something like that?
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Bro how does Doflamingo get brought up in every chapter thread?????
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I was literally finna say this.
Are we stuck in dressrosa or something Doffy had his shine good lord
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People are obsessed with keeping Doffy relevant power wise, him not being a Top Tier doesnt make him any less great of a character.
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LMAO, i think we need to add real life tier social influencing to Doffy at this point.
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Do keep in mind; when people start discussing power-scaling, Doflamingo is one character that is important in the discussion lol... especially when people are trying to say the Tobi-Roppo are stronger than him
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Are… are you serious..?
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Luffy never said that, although there was a mistranslation by the people at Manga Stream about Luffy saying Cracker's haki was the strongest he had encountered up until that point. Imo, Cracker never really did anything in his fight with Luffy that supported him being superior.
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Luffy also says Cracker's haki is hard in the Japanese Raw of that chapter.
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ROFL Judging by the profiles on here "people" are def not. 30,000x weaker than other high tiers. XP
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Yeah this is true, still though Cracker's Armament is still greater than Doflamingo's since Luffy never complained like that about Doffy's Armament and Doffy couldn't break through Boundman's defense while Cracker could.
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Luffy didn't have to vocalize a complaint when we can see Doflamingo blocking a Gear 2 barrage from Luffy with his Haki just as effectively as Cracker did.
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True I guess, still though Cracker's Armament > Doffy's.
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I never said they where successful
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You just forgot to mention Cracker scaling above or below him will also be brought up 60% of the time...
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While he never complained about Doffy's Armament being hard, he did complain about a haki-imbued punch from him hurting in Chapter 745. And the only time Cracker was shown breaking through Bound Man's haki defense was while Luffy was off-guard trying to pull his arm back in after breaking open Cracker's armor. He couldn't do it when he tried to counter Kong Gun with Pretzel Roll. Also, now that Luffy's able to control his rubber's elasticity even in his Armament Haki state as BM, it's easier to break through his defense with a sharp object (which he's always been vulnerable to) like a sword than it is with a kick.
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Considering he's quite literally the person who most scaling came from before Commanders/Admirals got their own separate scaling, yes, he is.
Or at least was since he was the justification for everyone in the Paramount War having High 7-A/7-A+.
No. Luffy made no connection between Cracker and Doflamingo. People took a mistranslation about Cracker's Haki being "harder than anything Luffy's had to deal with before" and took that as fact.
The canon doesn't actually support this. Both Cracker and Doffy have overpowered Luffy's Haki defenses quite casually. Trying to make a comparison doesn't really work, even if you want to argue Cracker cutting Luffy arm in Gear 4th. Luffy's still got weakness to cutting attacks (Still, he didn't exactly suffer a deep cut), and Doffy literally kicked Luffy while Cracker swung a sword.
Cutting > Kicking when vs Luffy's elasticity.
^ This, and I do want to point out that we have to take note when Luffy is NOT using Armament on parts of his body with Gear 4th. When Cracker cut Luffy's face, Kaido one-shot Luffy via head-shot, and Katakuri's Power Mochi landed, Luffy was not defending with Haki, meaning all of those Haki attacks (or just cutting in Cracker's case) were impacting Luffy's regular durability (whatever Bound-Man w/out Haki would be).
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This gotta be one of the worst derailments I've ever seen in my life
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Spoilers for chapter 1017 are out: https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-chapter-1017.119734/
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