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@Synnian
could you send the original jp text of the ryougi type lumina thing here again?
also type lumina’s english release is known by the community to have bad translations all around
the fate extra materials are clear in saying that the only difference in their existence is their true name (Nameless erased his true name)The guy simply makes absurd strawmans to avoid facing the actual arguments. Like him claiming I said that Shirou's Origin is "hero", just to make me look wrong, when I told him countless of times that Nameless it not the same person as FSN Archer, sending him both an official quote saying that, and a screenshot from the game itself saying that Archer's Origin is the remnant ideals of nameless heroes, which would likely include the Sword Origin of FSN Shirou.
Or him genuinely thinking that "The fate awaiting Ryougi was the murder of a god" is any different from "The destiny in store for her was being a god killer". All because their objective is keeping Arcueid as number 1. It's so bad that Neco/Marshadow literally and unironically said that Earth > the Root on CV..........
Hell, just look at this:
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They used this to argue that Avalon can block MEoDP, which is contradicted by all lore and feats in the verse. They would use various parody meme non-canon instances to deny what is blatantly shown in the lore.
They are entirely dishonest and should just be ignored.
EMIYA has a true name recorded on the throne, so that discounts him.
but if you wanted to go this route, wouldn’t this mean that he would have access to every nameless heroes origin, which would be a near infinite/infinite amount?
also, it is not contradicted by the lore, as this is the only interaction that these two abilities have.
even then, what we know of avalon is that it is an absolute defense.
"All-Distant Utopia, [Noble Phantasm] Avalon.
Avalon. The land of eternal spring in the Arthurian legends, and the name of a fairyland.
Avalon is an ideal land associated with the island in Greek mythology where the 'immortal apples' are said to exist.
Not only does it heal the owner's wounds and halt aging, but if the true name is released, it decomposes into hundreds of parts and protects the owner from all interference.
- "所有者" (shoyuusha) - owner
- "を" (wo) - object marker
- "あらゆる" (arayuru) - all
- "干渉" (kanshou) - interference
- "から" (kara) - from
- "守りきる" (mamorikiru) - to fully protect
It is a Noble Phantasm within the realm of magic that shuts out all physical interference, transtioning from parallel worlds, and communication from multidimensional spaces (up to the sixth dimension).
If Saber were to seclude herself with this, it would be beyond anyone’s control."手におえない" (te ni oenai)"
•Avalon: The Everdistant Utopia
The matching “scabbard” of the holy sword Excalibur. The wielder does not age, and injuries will also quickly heal.
After invoking its true name, Avalon dissipates as tiny particles into the air, and shields the wielder from all interference. No damage can be done to the wielder when a state of absolute defence is initiated. Even interference from the parallel world based on the Second Magic will be blocked. An “absolute defence” that can even repel the assault of True Magic, it is a True Magic in itself. No one can harm the tranquil King that stands in the land of Avalon.
When Avalon was unleashed, not even the King of Heroes could harm Saber.”