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[Wankbreaker]

And ur going to make Arcueid on the same level as the root Mr. "Root is not Negative theology"

if you have a rebuttal to aog mages living alongside the root, using it directly for energy, and modern mages trying to get the understanding AOG mages had back, please tell me. you can’t live “alongside” something with negative theology

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

 

[Wankbreaker]

Wank the Ataraxia trio (goats) to 1-B or something and I'll support whatever y'all do.

according to this wiki angra mainyu would be tier 0 or whatever due to having the same origin as shiki

 

[Tdjwo]

if you have a rebuttal to aog mages living alongside the root, using it directly for energy, and modern mages trying to get the understanding AOG mages had back, please tell me. you can’t live “alongside” something with negative theology

You're the only one making such a claim. It's been stated that nobody ever succeeded in reaching the root cuz there was literally NO COMING BACK!!!

 

[MasqueTLDF]

according to this wiki angra mainyu would be tier 0 or whatever due to having the same origin as shiki

This would be based actually and totally correct.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

THE GARCHER

 

[Wankbreaker]

You're the only one making such a claim. It's been stated that nobody ever succeeded in reaching the root cuz there was literally NO COMING BACK!!!

aoko specified that was for a “human-ranked soul”

still doesn’t address anything though

 

[Tdjwo]

according to this wiki angra mainyu would be tier 0 or whatever due to having the same origin as shiki

He doesn't have the same origin as Shiki. Shikis origin is "Emptiness". Not to be mistakent with "Nothingness"

 

[Tdjwo]

aoko specified that was for a “human-ranked soul”

still doesn’t address anything though

Prove that. Literally talking about every single being.

 

[Wankbreaker]

He doesn't have the same origin as Shiki. Shikis origin is "Emptiness". Not to be mistakent with "Nothingness"

they’re both described in the same kanji. any difference in English is the flavor of the translator in question

 

[Wankbreaker]

Prove that. Literally talking about every single being.

「蒼崎。一人も生還者がいないって、どういう事だ？」


「根源に触れて、帰ってきた者は一人もいないの。世界規模でね。触れれば即消滅。人間程度の魂だと触れた瞬間に元・に・戻・る・とか、根源に取りこまれるとか」



人間程度の魂 means"human level/ranked soul."

 

[Wankbreaker]

also, zepia lol

 

[Tdjwo]

they’re both described in the same kanji. any difference in English is the flavor of the translator in question

Lol. Why are you lying out of your ass? Even the Type-Moon wiki that's inconsistent asf realizes the difference.

Fujino Asagami: Nothingness (虚無, Kyomu?)
Shiki Ryougi: Emptiness (空, Kara?)

Ryo8gi Shiki is the only character ever stated to have the origin of literal "Emptiness." Not to be confused with "Nothingness."

 

[Wankbreaker]

Lol. Why are you lying out of your ass? Even the Type-Moon wiki that's inconsistent asf realizes the difference.

Ryo8gi Shiki is the only character ever stated to have the origin of literal "Emptiness." Not to be confused with "Nothingness."

the type-moon wiki

now, to send you to the actual novel.

「......わたしの起源は虚無だから、その肉体を持つ式は死が視える。二年間――昏睡状態で外界を見る こともできず、ただ両儀式という虚無を見つめ続けてきた式は、死の手触りを知ってしまったから 。

　式はね、ずっと根源の渦と呼ばれる海に浮いていたのよ。ただひとり、「　」のなかで式というカタチをもっ て」

kanji is 虚無

 

[Tdjwo]

「蒼崎。一人も生還者がいないって、どういう事だ？」


「根源に触れて、帰ってきた者は一人もいないの。世界規模でね。触れれば即消滅。人間程度の魂だと触れた瞬間に元・に・戻・る・とか、根源に取りこまれるとか」



人間程度の魂 means"human level/ranked soul."

Can you even read between the lines and understand basic contexts?
This is the translation;

"Aozaki. What do you mean, not a single person has returned alive?"
"No one has ever come back from touching the origin. On a global scale. If you touch it, you instantly disappear. If it's a human-sized soul, the moment you touch it, you either revert to your original state, or are absorbed into the origin."

It's saying that ANYONE that touches the root disappears as no one has ever come back from it. It doesn't matter who you are. No one even knows if they succeeded in reaching it lol. But for those with "human-sized souls,"(whatever tf that means) not only do they disappear, but they also revert to their original state or they become absorbed into the root.

This is not hard to understand.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Can you even read between the lines and understand basic contexts?
This is the translation;

It's saying that ANYONE that touches the root disappears as no one has ever come back from it. It doesn't matter who you are. No one even knows if they succeeded in reaching it lol. But for those with "human-sized souls,"(whatever tf that means) not only do they disappear, but they also revert to their original state or they become absorbed into the root.

This is not hard to understand.

Zepia survived. araya is stated to be able to survive in some form. angras unlimited raise dead allows bazett and himself to pass through it to revive. also, it doesn’t say or, it says and.

also, it’s human-level/ranked,not size. not sure if you’re using a tl tool,but im correcting you on this.
and again, mahoyo takes place after the age of gods, so this is a non argument to the main issue.

 

[Tdjwo]

now, to send you to the actual novel.

「......わたしの起源は虚無だから、その肉体を持つ式は死が視える。二年間――昏睡状態で外界を見る こともできず、ただ両儀式という虚無を見つめ続けてきた式は、死の手触りを知ってしまったから 。

　式はね、ずっと根源の渦と呼ばれる海に浮いていたのよ。ただひとり、「　」のなかで式というカタチをもっ て」

kanji is 虚無

Yup, it's sometimes called nothingness. Doesn't make it exactly that as we know both Nothingness and Emptiness can be intertwined. It's not hard to grasp. Shikis origin is directly related to the Root itself which is Kara/Emptiness. Heck, it even follows the theme of Kara no Kyoukai's "Boundary of Emptiness."

And also, a person's origin is the most fundamental aspect of their existence. So how in the world would Angra Mainyu have an origin of the root itself? Makes absolutely no sense. This was never stated or implied.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

So how in the world would Angra Mainyu have an origin of the root itself? Makes absolutely no sense. This was never stated or implied.

Because he's super awesome and cool. (He's my favorite TM character) "Because I said so" is perfectly valid reasoning for me to scale Angoat Mainyu to Outer. /j

 

[Wankbreaker]

Yup, it's sometimes called nothingness. Doesn't make it exactly that as we know both Nothingness and Emptiness can be intertwined. It's not hard to grasp. Shikis origin is directly related to the Root itself which is Kara/Emptiness. Heck, it even follows the theme of Kara no Kyoukai's "Boundary of Emptiness."

doesn’t use the character “空”, so therefore it is not “kara”,but “kyomu” very simple to understand.

And also, a person's origin is the most fundamental aspect of their existence. So how in the world would Angra Mainyu have an origin of the root itself? Makes absolutely no sense. This was never stated or implied.

he says something closer to “my nature is” instead of “my element is” in the voice acting, but HA raws are a pain to find.

the rest is already explained in other threads here.

 

[Wankbreaker]

but it’s almost as if….. void shiki isn’t the root….

 

[Wankbreaker]

Because he's super awesome and cool. (He's my favorite TM character) "Because I said so" is perfectly valid reasoning for me to scale Angoat Mainyu to Outer. /j

based and angrapilled

 

[Wankbreaker]

this will probably be the last post I make today, as im gonna try and sleep