• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

[TYPE-MOON] Scorched Earth

Hasty12345 said:
Saint Seiya’s verse deletion was denied on the very fact @Agnaa suggested that’s what we were going to do once the pages were deleted.
Click to expand...
this seems to be an older (sorta) thread, and rules and safeguards have been added since. If a profile is deleted now, and someone wants to remake it later on, a crt needs to be made in order to accept the profile back.
 
If the pages are planned to be brought back at some point then there’s no real reason to delete them to begin with. If the new requirement is they need a CRT to be brought back, how’s that different to making a CRT to fix the profiles?
 
Hasty12345 said:
If the pages are planned to be brought back at some point then there’s no real reason to delete them to begin with. I
Click to expand...
The reason is that keeping them around is just incredibly misleading, as nearly everything on most of the profiles are incorrect and improperly sourced, and/or without proper justification. With the sheer number of profiles, it would be incredibly hard, almost impossible, to go through every profile manually and edit them. Deletion is way more efficient, and a lot less time consuming.
 
Hasty12345 said:
If the pages are planned to be brought back at some point then there’s no real reason to delete them to begin with. If the new requirement is they need a CRT to be brought back, how’s that different to making a CRT to fix the profiles?
Click to expand...
Because people randomly pop up and try to change things, taking up our time and effort in the process to deal with their threads. We've seen this happen all the time in the past 8 months, give or take.

If they get locked down or deleted, people would just get directed to the general discussion thread/Discord server where they can get caught up with and be involved with the ongoing revamp instead of making competing CRTs.
 
I believe locking down is Faster and more beneficial since alot of the indepth scaling will be discussed and solved.

Nasuverse is very large and going through everything step by step will take months if not years as it demands a large number of supporters and constant moderarion and updates to the profile.

Locking down makes sense. I believe the supporters who are still active genuinely wants to make a accurate representation of the verse.
 
CRIMPSUMPSKI2 said:
Because people randomly pop up and try to change things, taking up our time and effort in the process to deal with their threads. We've seen this happen all the time in the past 8 months, give or take.

If they get locked down or deleted, people would just get directed to the general discussion thread/Discord server where they can get caught up with and be involved with the ongoing revamp instead of making competing CRTs.
Click to expand...
So you want the pages deleted or locked so no one else can try to change them?

That’s only the worst reason to delete a verse I’ve ever read.
 
Hasty12345 said:
So you want the pages deleted or locked so no one else can try to change them?

That’s only the worst reason to delete a verse I’ve ever read.
Click to expand...
In the nicest way I can possibly say this, I genuinely don't think you're reading the replies you've been given if this is the conclusion you've come to. I mean this with as little offense as I can possibly give. If you read both of our responses, and the only thing you got from it was "so you don't want anyone changing anything?" then I think you're missing the point entirely.
 
KingNanaya said:
In the nicest way I can possibly say this, I genuinely don't think you're reading the replies you've been given if this is the conclusion you've come to. I mean this with as little offense as I can possibly give. If you read both of our responses, and the only thing you got from it was "so you don't want anyone changing anything?" then I think you're missing the point entirely.
Click to expand...
Respectfully, everything you want can be achieved without deleting or locking the verse.

As far as the wiki is concerned, everything in the profiles is correct as it was passed by staff.

The assertions that everything is just wrong holds no weight since no one is willing to debunk it.

This just comes across as wanting to circumvent accepted scaling because you can’t debunk it.
 
The thing is, lock down or whatever it is only work if supporters truly making effort to update the profile, if we just lock down the verse then process to ignore it altogether then better just nuke it. No offense, but i have seen many who claimed to fix Nasuverse but all they ever did was care about either upgrade or downgrade tier, very few, actually working on fixing the state of the profile such as update scans, references, justifications. Like each time i visit Nasuverse profiles, i just cringed myself at the resistances tabber of them, resists a ton of shit but no explanation or scans. Only a handful of profile is somewhat updated
 
Last edited:
Hasty12345 said:
Respectfully, everything you want can be achieved without deleting or locking the verse.
Click to expand...
Yes, but time is the major factor. As others have said, it could possibly take years to manually edit every single profile, double checking, and getting it passed by staff, because of the sheer number of profiles that are interconnecting.
Hasty12345 said:
As far as the wiki is concerned, everything in the profiles is correct as it was passed by staff.
Click to expand...
This is just incredibly fallacious, as you are essentially asserting that it's impossible for staff to be wrong about anything ever at all.
Hasty12345 said:
The assertions that everything is just wrong holds no weight since no one is willing to debunk it.
Click to expand...
The evidence is literally inside of this CRT. Do you want to debunk this crt? Then attack the evidence and arguments.
Hasty12345 said:
This just comes across as wanting to circumvent accepted scaling because you can’t debunk it.
Click to expand...
I've said multiple times that there are literal rules in place preventing this. You are not allowed to circumvent CRTs by deleting and remaking profiles. Please, at the very least, read the posts replying to you.
 
KingNanaya said:
Yes, but time is the major factor. As others have said, it could possibly take years to manually edit every single profile, double checking, and getting it passed by staff, because of the sheer number of profiles that are interconnecting.
Click to expand...
This is true whether the profiles are deleted or not.

KingNanaya said:
This is just incredibly fallacious, as you are essentially asserting that it's impossible for staff to be wrong about anything ever at all.
Click to expand...
I’m not asserting a truth value to the profiles, I’m simply stating from the position of the wiki, there’s no reason to assume the profiles are wrong as a CRT would have been passed to add the abilities.

That doesn’t mean the profiles are true it simply means that profiles went through the necessary safeguards in place to apply changes (CRTs). Which is far better than the assertion “they’re all wrong”.

KingNanaya said:
The evidence is literally inside of this CRT. Do you want to debunk this crt? Then attack the evidence and arguments.
Click to expand...
The evidence in the CRT is a good starting point to change the profiles, don’t see why they need to be deleted. Again, if the effort that went into deleting the verse instead went into changing the profiles, we’d be one step closer to accurate profiles.

KingNanaya said:
I've said multiple times that there are literal rules in place preventing this. You are not allowed to circumvent CRTs by deleting and remaking profiles. Please, at the very least, read the posts replying to you.
Click to expand...
So really, nothing changes if the verse gets deleted because you’d still have to bring back the profiles with the same abilities and scaling then debunk those arguments to change the profiles anyway… may as well just make a CRT to change the current profiles.

I am reading your posts, I just don’t think you’re giving anyone any reason to delete the verse.
 
To not clutter this thread any further this will be my last reply unless anything new / different is brought up. This is more for people disagreeing for Hasty's reasoning.

The Purpose is to fix everything in one go while having some "blueprints" and where to start from.

This is not a obscure verse by any stretch so in any hypothetical scenario where the new ratings are "wrong" anyone is free in making a CRT to "fix it".

I genuinely see this as a "Faster" and more "Efficient" attempt to fix every profile as there is alot to discuss inorder to decide on an agreed rating and scaling chain or fix any issues which is quite blatantly presented in this CRT.

Even the Avalon scaling chain which was previously accepted as 6D for years (by staff no less) has been disproved (atleast on this site and as of recent) which further contradicts the "correctness" of some of the previous profile (as of now).

The intention is very clearcut without further said.
 
BoastJr said:
This is not a obscure verse by any stretch so in any hypothetical scenario where the new ratings are "wrong" anyone is free in making a CRT to "fix it".
Click to expand...
I will say the CRTs that'll be made for TM if this thread gets passed will be extensive, anyone is free to argue against any point in them when the time comes.

Anyone is also free to join in and contribute, so long as they remain civil.
 
Hasty12345 said:
This is true whether the profiles are deleted or not.
Click to expand...
yeah, that's not true. not all the profiles would need to use the same scans or evidence for scaling. also, not every profile would need to be uploaded at once. it would probably take at most a few months-1 year to do fully.

Hasty12345 said:
I’m not asserting a truth value to the profiles, I’m simply stating from the position of the wiki
Click to expand...
You asserted that the thread mods or admins who passed the threads upgrading or downgrading the profiles were an absolute authority.
 
 
 
Violatas said:
For deleting or locking?

@CRIMPSUMPSKI2 would def recommend separating the agreement votes for deleting and locking btw so you won't have to tally it later
Click to expand...
I had someone else tally these earlier but I forgot to add them, keeping up with both this thread and the increased activity in the server gave me a headache ngl.

this was the list from around an hour ago:
Delete: Mageman, Expectro, KingNanaya, PsychoWarper, Junko, Violatas, Phoenks, Migue, Breeze, Ovens, Masque, Qliphoth

Lockdown: Wankbreaker, BoastJr, Ionliosite, Vietthai, CloverDragon

Not specified: Garrixian
Click to expand...
Is everything here correct?
 
I'm all for deletion, but you're all cringe because I did it first with WoW.

vsbattles.fandom.com

Ruler (Qin Shi Huang)

Qin Shi Huang (秦始皇Qín Shǐ Huáng?), is a Ruler-class Servant summoned by Ritsuka Fujimaru in the Grand Orders of Fate/Grand Order, serving as the Third Lostbelt's, The Synchronized Intellect Nation, King. Tier: 1-C, possibly higher | 1-C, possibly higher | High 6-C, higher with The Domination...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
Just save this profile for me will ya? not too shitty, honestly.
 
If the supporters are going to fix the pages within a not so abysmally long period of time, I'd rather prefer just locking down the pages honestly. I do see there are people who want to work on the franchise already, so that should be a valid reason why deletion won't be the best choice. Put me on locking down for now and see how things go; if no significant progress is made after a few months, then deletion will make more sense.
 
GarrixianXD said:
If the supporters are going to fix the pages within a not so abysmally long period of time, I'd rather prefer just locking down the pages honestly. I do see there are people who want to work on the franchise already, so that should be a valid reason why deletion won't be the best choice. Put me on locking down for now and see how things go; if no significant progress is made after a few months, then deletion will make more sense.
Click to expand...
Well,
CRIMPSUMPSKI2 said:
Now, I and some others have already began work on revamping, but what we've gotten done is still a drop in the bucket compared to how much we have left. If anyone after this thread is interested in contributing they're free to message me on the forum ask for the Discord link.
Click to expand...
It definitely will take a long time, but, counted.
 
GarrixianXD said:
If the supporters are going to fix the pages within a not so abysmally long period of time, I'd rather prefer just locking down the pages honestly. I do see there are people who want to work on the franchise already, so that should be a valid reason why deletion won't be the best choice. Put me on locking down for now and see how things go; if no significant progress is made after a few months, then deletion will make more sense.
Click to expand...
I don't think it's feasible within a few months lol. Verse is huuuuuuuge

Color me (pleasantly) surprised if that kinda progress is made within a short timeframe
 
I agree with deletion, the stuff in it are a huge mess.

Don't even get me started with tsukihime profiles. Either way, this thread explains it all properly.
 
CRIMPSUMPSKI2 said:
I had someone else tally these earlier but I forgot to add them, keeping up with both this thread and the increased activity in the server gave me a headache ngl.

this was the list from around an hour ago:

Is everything here correct?
Click to expand...
I am pro lock
 
I'm inclined to think deletion is best. The verse is massive, the scaling chains are a total mess, and most of it hasn't been touched in many years. It'd be cleaner to start fresh and likely more manageable as well. Even if people started creating profiles with something unreasonable, it would unironically be easier to fix.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Wankbreaker
  • Locked
Avalon Scaling Fix
4 5 6
Replies
211
Views
12K
Wankbreaker
Wankbreaker
Shadow_x007x
  • Locked
Geryuganshoop's speed
Replies
21
Views
935
Qawsedf234
Qawsedf234
AppleLord
  • Locked
Quincy Physiology “Electron” Removal CRT
Replies
12
Views
2K
Damage3245
Damage3245
SweetDao
Instant Death Gods causality stuff ig
Replies
16
Views
1K
ActuallySpaceMan42
ActuallySpaceMan42
Ihsjihahxu
Yogiri takatou concept manipulation
Replies
9
Views
2K
Laviossiii
Laviossiii
Back
Top