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Naruto: "Possible" LS Reactions for God Tiers + Night Guy Stuff

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Damage3245 said:
The whole Kirin situation has been discussed to death, and as Sigurd and Paul have said, it has been rejected recently in another thread.

Simply being a 'God Tier' which is a made-up term anyway isn't enough to make one immune from Outliers.
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Yes it is when the god tiers scale massively above the rest of the verse in feats and statements and power. Context is the key to Naruto and it simple to see what outliers are in verse.
 
Yup just as I expected....same people as usual

@Damage

No the Kirin calc wasn't rejected just cause u and Kep think differently
 
we can left the scaling for other thread so can u remove this for now

its simply derailing the thread
 
I agree with Sekkonds, nothing to suggest it was via pure speed alone. And later on superior characters didn't show to bend space when moving, even when they did better against a more powerful Madara.
 
M11UTD said:
I agree with Sekkonds, nothing to suggest it was via pure speed alone. And later on superior characters didn't show to bend space when moving, even when they did better against a more powerful Madara.
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The gates are literally pure taijustu. This is confirmed in the fight between guy and kisame. It can not be anything but speed.
 
Sekkonds contradicts himself when he shows a scan of the databook, which says that this is a TAIJUTSU technique of level beyond comprehension ...

And there are guys saying they agree with the contradiction. I'm losing hope, really!
 
Also no offense or nothing but didn't ant say Bleach supporters should stay away from Naruto crts??

From what I'm seeing these Bleach supporters aren't even bringing facts from the manga? Aren't any outliers in Naruto for god tiers. Toneri isn't even god tier and he has sub rel attacks.

Also the fact that Might Guy is technically God tier.

There is a difference in Naruto and Boruto. The god Tier are different. Currently Boruto has no god tier if anyone was thinking that.
 
Rocker1189 said:
He is stronger in both durability and power.

Ermm pain has multi thousand mach feats from dodging a rasenshuriken whic is also super fast, I also dont know why you are again scaling low end people to God tiers, which have nothing to do with feats( is this a Naruto only thing?).

Haku's technique is indeed lightspeed in the databook. Kirin is just confirmed to move from cloud to ground in 1/1000 of a second which gives it something from mach 3000 to even much higher speeds depending on the cloud height. And Itachi could keep up. The databook is a databook, the info it gives is correct as long as you ignore very very obvious hype statements.

?? so he is still faster. Your point?
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Since when that FRS which at most made 20 km in 1 second is mach 1000+? xDD

Haku lightspeed is crap, so databook doesnt have the holy answer.

Kirin is HUNDREDS of times of sound speed, NOT THOUSANDS. So let's suppose the calc you did for the Kirin is true, is thousands of times. Then, are you not contradicting the manga, the author statement? Well, this is what I'm doing, and this is a proof that author statements doesnt mean a shit if they cant be proved or if they have contradictions. Itachi didnt keep up anything btw, Sasuke was literally saying what he was going to do and he was seeing the chakra thread conected to Sasuke's hand.

My point is that you dont need LS speed to evade an LS attack. Naruto only needed to be faster than Madara's mouth from which he released the jutsu, he didnt need to be faster than the jutsu itself.
 
This wiki does not use that logic Ronni and it's annoying that it doesn't

If that was true Tsuna would have been FTL a very long time ago but instead we got him at Sub rel or rel if I remember correctly

You can be rel and dodge light speed attacks.
 
TheFinalOrder said:
Ok, but you say he doesn't "Need" to. Does that mean he "can't" be reacting to the propagation of the wave?
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At means we won't assume he can.
 
Ronnijuro said:
Since when that FRS which at most made 20 km in 1 second is mach 1000+? xDD

Haku lightspeed is crap, so databook doesnt have the holy answer.

Kirin is HUNDREDS of times of sound speed, NOT THOUSANDS. So let's suppose the calc you did for the Kirin is true, is thousands of times. Then, are you not contradicting the manga, the author statement? Well, this is what I'm doing, and this is a proof that author statements doesnt mean a shit if they cant be proved or if they have contradictions. Itachi didnt keep up anything btw, Sasuke was literally saying what he was going to do and he was seeing the chakra thread conected to Sasuke's hand.

My point is that you dont need LS speed to evade an LS attack. Naruto only needed to be faster than Madara's mouth from which he released the jutsu, he didnt need to be faster than the jutsu itself.
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Pain dodge it at extremely close range and moves further than it did that is where the mach 1000+ is from.

It is not though, Haku literally reflects himself to mirrors, thus lightspeed, but it is a clear outlier. which would be the proper term for this.

it can be 20 hundreds or more, or the author did not bother calculating it, which is more likely. That would be like saying that the flash is only light speed from saving thousands of people from anuclear explosion because the author said it was almost the speed of light which is clearly wrong. You would have to be MFTL to do that. Itachi did not react until after it was fired thus he reacted to Kirin. We even see the flash as it approaches him, you leave a lot of context out of all of your point btw.

And the anime disagrees.
 
DontTalkDT said:
TheFinalOrder said:
Ok, but you say he doesn't "Need" to. Does that mean he "can't" be reacting to the propagation of the wave?
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At means we won't assume he can.
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But the inverse is also applicable, no? That's why I used "Possibly" a lot.
 
Rocker1189 said:
Pain dodge it at extremely close range and moves further than it did that is where the mach 1000+ is from.

It is not though, Haku literally reflects himself to mirrors, thus lightspeed, but it is a clear outlier. which would be the proper term for this.

it can be 20 hundreds or more, or the author did not bother calculating it, which is more likely. That would be like saying that the flash is only light speed from saving thousands of people from anuclear explosion because the author said it was almost the speed of light which is clearly wrong. You would have to be MFTL to do that. Itachi did not react until after it was fired thus he reacted to Kirin. We even see the flash as it approaches him, you leave a lot of context out of all of your point btw.

And the anime disagrees.
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Too much detail with Pain. If you did this with all characters you will get absurd numbers. The feat is simple, Pain dodged an attack which traveled some kms in a second, that's all.

Yeah, an outlier. The point is that databook doesnt have the absolute truth.

Well, thanks again for proving that author statements doesnt mean a shit, the facts are above all.

Even Zetsu protected himself before the Kirin was down. And here is the same logic I used with Madara/Naruto and the fang. Itachi, ignoring even that he knows that something is going down against him and is not cotton, needs to react only to Sasuke's hand. Sasuke put the hand down and after that the Kirin goes down, so he only needs to pay attention to Sasuke.
 
Ronnijuro said:
Too much detail with Pain. If you did this with all characters you will get absurd numbers. The feat is simple, Pain dodged an attack which traveled some kms in a second, that's all.

Yeah, an outlier. The point is that databook doesnt have the absolute truth.

Well, thanks again for proving that author statements doesnt mean a shit, the facts are above all.

Even Zetsu protected himself before the Kirin was down. And here is the same logic I used with Madara/Naruto and the fang. Itachi, ignoring even that he knows that something is going down against him and is not cotton, needs to react only to Sasuke's hand. Sasuke put the hand down and after that the Kirin goes down, so he only needs to pay attention to Sasuke.
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we do in fact do this with every character in this site already...

But it is the truth, you are just contradicting yourself, it is either an outlier or it is true.

It works for saying that author's can make calculation mistakes as they often do.

Well ofcourse he did lol does he want to be hurt? It does nto matter that he knows it is happen, when he reacts is what matters. If you know a punch is coming but dodge at the last second you would scale to being faster than the punch or being relative to it. Alll you have to do is read the manga dude, sasuke throws down his hand, Itachi does nothing at all to react to it. Until the lightning of basically upon him. And this is such a random argument. We are talking about might guy.
 
What speed are they now again? It looks like Gai being lightspeed and Madara managing to register it but is completely ran over regardless could be a supporting feat if they were in the Rel+ range. Probably an outlier if not.
 
Gemmysaur said:
What speed are they now again? It looks like Gai being lightspeed and Madara managing to register it but is completely ran over regardless could be a supporting feat if they were in the Rel+ range. Probably an outlier if not.
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They are operating at MHS+ all the way from the pain arc, really they should be hundreds of times faster by now from bliz chains upon blitz chains so it really cant be an outlier. There are also several sub-relav calcs that need to be evaluated that fit in between the time.
 
I don't think we should use blitz chains even if it makes sense to do so considering we can get massively overinflated results. So unless we get a feat close to Gai's space bending, it will become an outlier. At least, that's how I see it.
 
Rocker1189 said:
we do in fact do this with every character in this site already...

But it is the truth, you are just contradicting yourself, it is either an outlier or it is true.

It works for saying that author's can make calculation mistakes as they often do.

Well ofcourse he did lol does he want to be hurt? It does nto matter that he knows it is happen, when he reacts is what matters. If you know a punch is coming but dodge at the last second you would scale to being faster than the punch or being relative to it. Alll you have to do is read the manga dude, sasuke throws down his hand, Itachi does nothing at all to react to it. Until the lightning of basically upon him. And this is such a random argument. We are talking about might guy.
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That will be basically calcstacking.

It's an outlier because it's contradicting the manga itself because there are no feats in the verse like that and like I said " author statements doesnt mean a shit if they cant be proved or if they have contradictions " And this is what I'm saying, the Fang is an outlier because there are not feats like that in manga nor there is a scene where the Fang travels 300 000 kms in a second, or 150 000 in 0.5 seconds or etc etc.

Itachi only needs to think to release the Susano, obviously he released before or during that flash but we didnt see it because of it. Why should we think that he didnt released with all that information he got? Is stupid or something?
 
@Gemmysaur

Hebi Sasuke have a feat sub-rel. And they operate at MHS + speeds from Immortal Arc (Kakuzu and Hidan). Would not be outlier.

And making sense is exactly why it works.
Madara itself is billions of times above the Top Tiers in AP.

There would be no inflated results in saying that Madara and Guy would be dozens of times faster than the Mid-Tiers.
That does not make any sense.
 
Ronnijuro said:
That will be basically calcstacking.

It's an outlier because it's contradicting the manga itself because there are no feats in the verse like that and like I said " author statements doesnt mean a shit if they cant be proved or if they have contradictions " And this is what I'm saying, the Fang is an outlier because there are not feats like that in manga nor there is a scene where the Fang travels 300 000 kms in a second, or 150 000 in 0.5 seconds or etc etc.

Itachi only needs to think to release the Susano, obviously he released before or during that flash but we didnt see it because of it. Why should we think that he didnt released with all that information he got? Is stupid or something?
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It is not calc stacking as long as the feat happens at the same time, and we are given the timeframe straight up by the author.

Except you know, Guy?

That is whu it is combat speed and reaction based. The point is "when" he reacted. Even sasuke was able to outpace his reaction speed when dodging out of amaterasu.
 
@MostPowerfull; Hebi Sasuke does not currently have a Sub-Rel feat. It would need to be evaluated and then accepted / implemented on the a CRT.
 
Gemmysaur said:
I don't think we should use blitz chains even if it makes sense to do so considering we can get massively overinflated results. So unless we get a feat close to Gai's space bending, it will become an outlier. At least, that's how I see it.
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Yeah I am not saying we should use blitz chains but blitz chains on top of stat amps with given numbers on top of knowing for a fact that they are quite literally hundreds of time faster and stronger should mean that stating it is an outlier is completely illogical. A fodder also has an affected mach 7k feat:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:M3X/Boruto:_Shino_is_faster_than_you_think
 
I will say this, the databook supports this was due to pure speed. Guy doesn't emmit "Chakra" in the 8th Gate, stated in manga. This was pure Taijutsu, purely a physical feat, thus space was bent by Guy's pure speed.

This isn't really up for debate, its pure facts.

Gravity Waves are created by Accelerated Masses. Night Guy is literally Guy running straight at Madara and kicking him.
 
@Damage

A CRT has already been made, in which I have rebutted you, Kep and IMade several times. And left them in oblivion and again, from the beginnings that I am here, I have been ignored or left to oblivion. In case, I should say "a Sub-rel calculation" ... Would that be good for you?

On acceptance ... It is only a matter of time for him to be accepted, unless the lack of character reaches such blatant levels as to contradict the manga.
 
Yeah as you say it is a literal kick, confirmed by the 7th gate hirudora used by Guy, which is a literal punch yet makes a shape like a tiger.
 
@Gemmysaur

when it come to speed

god tier >jubito> bm/kcm>3rd raikage>ms sasuke> Hebi Sasuke

3rd raikage who is fastest one after (god tier >jubito>bm/kcm naruto) has rel statment from db
 
Gemmysaur said:
I don't think we should use blitz chains even if it makes sense to do so considering we can get massively overinflated results. So unless we get a feat close to Gai's space bending, it will become an outlier. At least, that's how I see it.
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We aren't getting anything over inflated tho since the feat from guy itself is naturally considered Rel. It's not an outlier for one because it's the god tier and this verse has multipliers anyway which we don't use.
 
The real cal howard said:
I'm 100% sure I've seen this topic come up and rejected dozens of times since 2016. What has changed from then to now?
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Pretty sure might guy being relavistic has not properly been brought up no, it has been mentioned in Light fang threads though and really there is literally nothing refuting it.
 
@real cal

Was it rejected, even with TFO bringing the subject of gravitational waves and their activation by accelerating mass? If so, then I think I agree with Cal.
 
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