NARUTO CHARACTERS RECEIVE YOUR BIRTHRIGHT

[DavidTPPM]

Now for Kirin, sick dying itachi managed to perceive it,

Yeah but that was from like, dozens of meters away.

as for Deidara, we don't really need to scale edo forms below their alive forms,

We kinda do tho? In 99% of cases edos are blatantly just weaker than alive versions. At best they'd be relative to their alive forms so the issue would remain.

Kabuto was confident that edo madara would be above his alive state so I believe we cant throw out the full possiblity and it would potentially fix a bunch of issues,

Because Kabuto tweaked edo Madara by giving him Hashirama cells and access to the rinnegan in a young body. 2 major amps he didn't have when alive. I feel like it'd be very disingenuous to ignore these to use Madara for anything in regards to other edos.

If anything, after Madara gets revived he gets notably stronger with both Hashirama and the databook claiming he's "regaining his past strength" despite being blind. Basically meaning the edo nerf was still so major that
Blind alive Madara > edo nerfed rinnegan Madara

a lot of the characters who may have had health issues forbidding them from being at a true hypothetical peak could be superior in their edo states

Okay but who exactly would this apply to? I can think of at best 3 people (Itachi, Chio, and Kimimaro) and 2 of those have no feats as edos anyway.
On the other hand multiple edos were actually originally weaker. Nagato lacked life force/chakra, Kakuzu lacked his 5 hearts, and Sasori was missing his puppets.

Edos have been stated weaker than when alive every time their strengths were compared so I don't really agree with the idea of us scaling them the other way around.

 

[Damage3245]

All that characters scaling present an issue
Because, how are you planning on arguing around Kirin's existence?
Even with the higher end interpretation of Kirin being light speed.
I don't think Sasuke went to all the trouble to set up a jutsu renowned for its speed only for it to be 50x slower than deidara.

Another thing
Unfortunately, with Damage's mention of a revision of the primary scaling route of this thread, I think it'll be best to put this thread on hold for a few days. Staffs are highly unlikely to evaluate this when there's the existence of a major revision is casting a shadow. Also, we can't spend pages arguing about who scales only to have it all removed after a few days.
Obviously, we can't wait indefinitely for Damage's thread but it seems (from his wording) that it's something he'll push out in a few days
If there's nothing from him within a week or so, we'll continue as is.
Just an advice

That is indeed one of the consistency issues I'll bring up in my thread.

 

[Testarossa002]

@Ghostimuscrime I hope you find a way that cuts off the Mifune LS scaling from Hebi Sasuke and co
Because ngl, I don't find your explanation for Kirin very convincing
Good luck to you though.
You can reach out if you need help with some of it

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Personally I think some of the characters that can keep up with but are below FP KCM Naruto/BM Bee should be Relativistic/+, which would help somewhat with consistency (examples being Fatigued KCM Naruto who reacted to his RS from a distance and the Base Edo Jinchuriki who are obviously inferior to their BM selves

 

[karo_senpaii]

Didn't want to talk much about the thread here but I disagree with Naruto rasenshuriken scaling to the tbb.

If I recall correctly they couldn't actually aim at the chibaku sensei, but Itachi told them to just shoot that because the gravity is drawing everything to them, the direction of their jutsu will ultimately change and eventually go straight go the core. So it's more likely CT dragged all of them to itself at the same time as opposed to the 3 jutsu moving at relative speeds.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

If I'm being honest, Fatigued KCM's RS scaling to BM Bee's Bijuudama seems a bit inconsistent for multiple reasons, but that's not really how gravity works. If two people throw something downward, gravity has an effect on it, but so does the throw itself.

 

[karo_senpaii]

If I'm being honest, Fatigued KCM's RS scaling to BM Bee's Bijuudama seems a bit inconsistent for multiple reasons, but that's not really how gravity works. If two people throw something downward, gravity has an effect on it, but so does the throw itself.

That's because downward gravity would just add to it's acceleration. This one is being pulled to another direction. The faster object would be more resistant to the pull and the slower object would be drawn quicker towards it.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

They're aiming at the core's direction

 

[Testarossa002]

Didn't want to talk much about the thread here but I disagree with Naruto rasenshuriken scaling to the tbb.

If I recall correctly they couldn't actually aim at the chibaku sensei, but Itachi told them to just shoot that because the gravity is drawing everything to them, the direction of their jutsu will ultimately change and eventually go straight go the core. So it's more likely CT dragged all of them to itself at the same time as opposed to the 3 jutsu moving at relative speeds.

If that’s the case, shouldn't the rocks moving towards the core also arrive at the same time as the 3 attacks?
Besides, Itachi's remark was about aiming properly. Not the speed of their attacks itself

 

[karo_senpaii]

If that’s the case, shouldn't the rocks moving towards the core also arrive at the same time as the 3 attacks?
Besides, Itachi's remark was about aiming properly. Not the speed of their attacks itself

I don't think I'm explaining it well honestly but no those rocks have zero acceleration in the first place so it just depends on the core's pull. while their attacks have their own acceleration.

yeah i understand what itachi remark is. I think of it as 3 race track runners on a curved field. Now instead of them making a turn towards the finish line the core is pulling them. The runner on the widest part of the curve even though he might have been ahead may end up getting there last even. I just realised the analogy might not even make things easier to understand. Either way naruto rasenshuriken scaling to his own ultimate attack in kcm2 doesn't strike me well.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

KCM2 Naruto's Bijuudama>Bee's Bijuudama

 

[Samlex1234]

I disagree with the root scaling for this, so I disagree with this proposal as well. I plan on making my own thread to address the root scaling so I won't bog down the thread with it here.

Are you still going to be making the thread?

 

[Damage3245]

Are you still going to be making the thread?

I'm over halfway through making the OP, having gathered the scans and sources. Still working on it tonight, expecting to have it posted tomorrow. Or Tuesday, most likely.

 

[thedaymare]

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[Damage3245]

Are you still going to be making the thread?

Finished it.