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A Review of the speed of Naruto (Verse)

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I know but I want to know your opinion on it, think about it, can you really guarantee that Shikamaru new era who is FTL has a tough body?
I get where you're coming from. Even right now Base Tsunade is ranked far higher than Shikamaru in durability on the wiki. This whole CRT wasn't even about consistency, to begin with in the first place, it was about blocking mid-tiers from reaching Light Speed or FTL, like Damage outright admitted. He doesn't even care if the Sub-Rel feat is left, even though that would ruin his argument with the Bijuu Bomb speed. At the end of the day, whether your arguments are solid or consistent, it is made useless in the front of power.
 
I mean, it's something I've flip-flopped on many times over the years, and I don't necessarily have a super rigid stance on it one way or the other.
But, like, I really think it's kinda hard to dismiss the Databook very explicitly asserting that a certain level of durability is need to withstand an explicitly stated level of speed. It makes no mention of any nuance like "oh, maybe it's just the Jutsu's mechanics or how it interacts with organic matter", no, it just says "you need to be this tough to withstand being transported at SoL". Does it make perfect sense? No, not really, but it is what it is. 🤷‍♂️

Regardless, though, it's not like anyone below Tsunade has any legitimate or solid SoL scaling regardless, so I don't think this "cap" really has much impact one way or the other tbh.
Nor do I think that in a hypothetical situation where characters of that level have a greater preponderance of evidence for being SoL or above that said "cap" would be valid reason to not scale them to that level. It would just be a low-end outlier in that case, much like the Pain stuff.
You are neutral on the Mabui stuff, neutral on the Ten-Tails Bijuu Bomb issue, you don’t agree with the outliers argument, and you don't agree with the rest of the arguments about Pain. So why exactly are you siding with this CRT?
If your reasoning is Kirin, then how can two statements from two different databooks, directly explaining the jutsu by the author himself and written after the jutsu was used, not hold more weight than Zetsu's hypothetical explanation? Even Sasuke, the creator and user of the jutsu, never mentioned its speed nor did he agree with Zetsu. Yet, Zetsu, who observed it from a distance with no full understanding of the jutsu, is somehow considered right?
And then you say this:
“I really think it's kinda hard to dismiss the Databook very explicitly asserting that a certain level of durability”.
 
You are neutral on the Mabui stuff
I'm not. I agree with Damage on it.
you don’t agree with the outliers argument
I do.
f your reasoning is Kirin, then how can two statements from two different databooks, directly explaining the jutsu by the author himself and written after the jutsu was used, not hold more weight than Zetsu's hypothetical explanation? Even Sasuke, the creator and user of the jutsu, never mentioned it speed. Yet, Zetsu, who observed it from a distance with no full understanding of the jutsu, is somehow considered right?
I've already spoken at length regarding my stance on the Kirin stuff, so I won't rehash that. Also, that whole point was dropped by the OP in any case.
And then you say this:
“I really think it's kinda hard to dismiss the Databook very explicitly asserting that a certain level of durability”.
Yes, because that's what I think. Someone can have a nuanced opinion on a topic, but still lean one way or the other, or be perfectly in the middle. These things are not mutually exclusive.
 
I'm not. I agree with Damage on it.

I do.

I've already spoken at length regarding my stance on the Kirin stuff, so I won't rehash that. Also, that whole point was dropped by the OP in any case.

Yes, because that's what I think. Someone can have a nuanced opinion on a topic, but still lean one way or the other, or be perfectly in the middle. These things are not mutually exclusive.
Lol, I see. Sure man do you.
 
kishimoto didnt write the databooks

Every official source, including the official website, confirms that Kishimoto is the author of the Databooks and was heavily involved in their creation.
If your argument is that he had staff assisting him, that's not the same as them creating the actual content/idea in the Databooks. Every concept from the nature of jutsu to their speed and power would have originated from or at the very least been approved by Kishimoto himself. Yes, he had assistance, but that applies to all of his work, including the manga. After all, he doesn’t fully own Naruto either.


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The Databook is as official as it can be.
 
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Every official source, including the official website, confirms that Kishimoto is the author of the Databooks and was heavily involved in their creation.
no it doesnt, you can find the writers for the databook, its caramel mama a production company who work with shueisha ,supervised by the author to create guide books , they have kishi's approval but kishimoto doesnt write them himself.
If your argument is that he had staff assisting him, that's not the same as them creating the actual content/idea in the Databooks
his staff didnt help write it either
. Every concept from the nature of jutsu to their speed and power would have originated from or at the very least been approved by Kishimoto himself.
approved sure, in the same every other secondary guide thats not written by him is approved, its perfectly fine to use as support but the idea that its on the same level as kishi's main body of work is nonsense.
Yes, he had assistance, but that applies to all of his work, including the manga. After all, he doesn’t fully own Naruto either.
he neither wrote it nor did any of his staff, the staff at caramel mama wrote the databooks with supervision of shueisha, similar to the daizenshuu

I can do you one better than a link a website, ill tell you exactly who wrote the databooks by listing their names and surnames, the website is also run by caramal mama btw,
which is Jump's push for a digital style databook system, you can even cross reference some of the writers between the databook and the websites database and birthday columns.
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heres a list of every writer that has worked on both the databooks and fanbooks as well the last naruto the movie databook and the recent boruto database.

  • Akira Uchida
  • Genki Fujishita
  • Ichiro Watanabe
  • Kazuki Yano
  • Kiyotaka Yasuhiko
  • Narumi Ohmuro
  • Ryo Ito
  • Shintaro Kataoka
  • Takayuki Watanabe
  • Teppei Odagiri
  • Tetsuhiro Koyou
  • Yasuhiro Sasamori
  • Yuichi Ohba
 
no it doesnt, you can find the writers for the databook, its caramel mama a production company who work with shueisha ,supervised by the author to create guide books , they have kishi's approval but kishimoto doesnt write them himself.

his staff didnt help write it either

approved sure, in the same every other secondary guide thats not written by him is approved, its perfectly fine to use as support but the idea that its on the same level as kishi's main body of work is nonsense.

he neither wrote it nor did any of his staff, the staff at caramel mama wrote the databooks with supervision of shueisha, similar to the daizenshuu

I can do you one better than a link a website, ill tell you exactly who wrote the databooks by listing their names and surnames, the website is also run by caramal mama btw,
which is Jump's push for a digital style databook system, you can even cross reference some of the writers between the databook and the websites database and birthday columns.
nrE4zrX.png


d5nYtaw.jpeg
DxtjPFz.jpeg
zbEM458.jpeg


heres a list of every writer that has worked on both the databooks and fanbooks as well the last naruto the movie databook and the recent boruto database.

  • Akira Uchida
  • Genki Fujishita
  • Ichiro Watanabe
  • Kazuki Yano
  • Kiyotaka Yasuhiko
  • Narumi Ohmuro
  • Ryo Ito
  • Shintaro Kataoka
  • Takayuki Watanabe
  • Teppei Odagiri
  • Tetsuhiro Koyou
  • Yasuhiro Sasamori
  • Yuichi Ohba
Oh I see this is the way you guys have been spreading false information. I will be right back.
 
This is getting a bit off-topic and the thread has been accepted so I will close it. If you want to make a separate thread for the databooks or discuss it privately, you can do that.
 
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