A Review of the speed of Naruto (Verse)

[Suigetsuhyugs]

1. Sasuke had no way of knowing that
2. My statement is from the PoV of Sasuke. He wouldn't develop a jutsu as his trump card if its speed was something a 3T sharingan can track anyways. For all he knows, Itachi could have simply substituted away from the jutsu

Itachi was capable of tracking just not capable of reacting with body movement, so he blocked it with Susanoo.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

1. Sasuke had no way of knowing that
2. My statement is from the PoV of Sasuke. He wouldn't develop a jutsu as his trump card if its speed was something a 3T sharingan can track anyways. For all he knows, Itachi could have simply substituted away from the jutsu

tracking and using ninjutsu to do sth about it falls under reactions tho

Look at the panels again, the Bijuudamas barely travelled any distance from where they're shown flying at the Juubi to when the Juubi's Bijuudama intercepts them

Why is this objective?

yeah now prove using any line of logic that the beam needs to be comparable speeds other than interception because two attacks of different speeds can collide


because lets use mouth spitting as an analogy, the energy exerted for spitting one powerful blow cant be applied multiple times in one go, you'd need to recharge

 

[Damage3245]

I think we should see what some staff members make of this.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

yeah now prove using any line of logic that the beam needs to be comparable speeds other than interception because two attacks of different speeds can collide

Not addressing what I said at all. I don't think I'm gonna continue this point because it's getting pretty circular and I've made my point pretty clear.

because lets use mouth spitting as an analogy, the energy exerted for spitting one powerful blow cant be applied multiple times in one go, you'd need to recharge

That's not comparable to a ninjutsu. In this case it's portrayed more like a gun rapid firing, which doesn't reduce in speed with multiple shots.

 

[Godernet]

no lol
mirror to mirror = light speed
mirror to coming out physically for humans = mhs(scaling off of kakashi)

sasuke knowing where haku is headed, his directions and placements (ftl perception)
sasuke jumping and taking the hit = mhs feat

I don't agree with this but I'm not gonna get into why here and save it for a potential future CRT

I'll go along with this logic for now tho.

also iirc lee was fatigued during the sound speed anti feat

after the lotus yeah but the Sound Ninja had already seen his top Weighted speed by that point and still thought their jutsu was better because it was "Supersonic"

he did not think that
heck sasuke successfully took the hit so haku being massively above to the point of 25% of his speed being enough is just fanfiction
also even if he did think that as a ninja it would be in his best interest to not underestimate someone with growing power and ensure greater energy exertion that gives more security to his victory

He did hold back and he did want to end the fight immediately which is why he went to attack directly.

And we know there's a big gap in speed between LoW Sasuke and people like Haku, Zabuza, and Kakashi as the series goes on.

its stated LITERAL light speed, so its objectively light speed that ruins your "but its possible to " its stated possible to because it takes him to new heights not that his speed fluctuates during mirror reflection

No, it doesn't

because all that statement does is double down on the fact that Haku's mirrors can move at literal light speed, which no one is arguing against.

that statement isn't saying that the Mirrors are always light speed, and can't be any slower than that.

The same databook says that it's possible if anything implies that's not always the case.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

after the lotus yeah but the Sound Ninja had already seen his top Weighted speed by that point and still thought their jutsu was better because it was "Supersonic"

I brought this up as a reason why the P1 characters' speeds were being highballed but I got rejected

Also the raws say speed of sound not supersonic but I digress

 

[Godernet]

Change in tragectory always changes speed. he is no more moving through reflection if his tragectory changes since that's how reflection works, so Sasuke intercepts Haku's base speed.

sure

First I said words that came directly from the manga, you are making assumptions.

what part of that was an assumption

He started to fight Lee before he activates the sharingan, because he was unable to see his speed he activated the sharingan with the conviction it was a genjutsu or ninjutsu, when the sharingan didn't detect genjutsu or ninjutsu he knew it was taijutsu, but his body was incapable of reacting

I don't think you're acknowledging how big of a gap a 900,000 times difference in perception is to movement.

imagine if Sasuke was perceiving Lee like this video



you'd also have to argue Sasuke has the comprehension speed of a newborn turtle which we know just isnt the case

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I think it should be mentioned that Pre-Sharingan Sasuke was slightly perceiving Haku's movements and Base Guy perception blitzed this Sasuke

 

[Godernet]

I think it should be mentioned that Pre-Sharingan Sasuke was slightly perceiving Haku's movements and Base Guy perception blitzed this Sasuke

Not to mention, Base Guy ~ Kakashi ~< Itachi

who an older Sasuke intended Kirin for, a potentially Light Speed Jutsu.

A jutsu that was so "unavoidable" in his eyes, that he fully believed it could beat a better Sharingan user than his younger self.

 

[Damage3245]

I think it should be mentioned that Pre-Sharingan Sasuke was slightly perceiving Haku's movements and Base Guy perception blitzed this Sasuke

Mmm. I think we should defer the Haku talk a bit which would be more suitable for the upcoming Part 1 speed revisions.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Outlier Argument

I believe that even if we grant the Mifune section above, the scaling for Gyuki / Killer B still falls under the guidelines for an Outlier.

Yes. I think it's a significantly large jump; Killer B in his Biju mode was only reaching Sub-Relativistic before this new scaling. The next highest calc from comparable characters is the current Mach 7981 Kakashi calc, which is multiplied by 5 for some characters through Might Guy's Eight Gates scaling.

Yes. This is an exceptional incident; Killer B's Biju Bombs are never depicted this fast in any other scenes.

Bee is able to attack in tandem with KCM Naruto who scales to Jonin Minato who's Light Speed (木ノ葉の黄色い閃光●絶対不可避の光速の刃、戦場にて煌々と輝きを放つ術・技。呟きその名は、四代目火影のかつての通り名だ。) and fought Itachi who possesses Light Speed ninjutsu (水より生ぜじ光速の弾——死角より出で 敵を挟らん!!).

Yes. There is no explanation or justification so far as I'm aware for why Killer B's Biju Bombs would be this fast.

Bijuudamas are much faster than the user as they're Susanoo Arrow level (BSM Naruto and SEMS Sasuke are relative in combat speed, so their Bijuudama/Susanoo Arrow travelling at the same speed means they're comparable speed amps), BM Bee~>V2 Bee>>V1 Bee who's rated as likely Sub-Relativistic. AKA Bee's Bijuudamas>>BM Bee~>V2 Bee>>V1 Bee~/>likely 4.6% the SoL. That's a decent explanation. There's also V2 Bee hitting Kisame before he can react, while Kisame slightly reacted to 6th Gate Guy who's >>>1st Gate Guy~4.6% the SoL.

While those chains are of course not enough on their own to prove Bee's Bijuudamas are FTL, they are a justification for how it could be the case.

Yes. As explained by the above points, virtually nobody else possesses feats or statements on this level that are currently accepted. In fact characters don't properly exhibit FTL combat speed until Six Paths Sage Naruto who is just a bit above baseline FTL.

Already provided two other statements. They're not accepted, but they exist, and as this is a CRT about Light Speed Naruto, they are quite pertinent and should be discussed when talking about if LS Mifune and Bee scaling to him are outliers.

I'd also like to note that a literal no name ninja possesses a Light Speed knock off of Raikiri. You can also argue that the Water Gun jutsu is light speed but that's more contentious as the kanji isn't literal.
閃光が如き疾さで放ついって「一滴」必殺の水撃弾!!
"With a swiftness like that of a flash of light, it unleashes a single, lethal water bullet!"

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

sure

what part of that was an assumption

That he wasn't able to see Lee's movements

I don't think you're acknowledging how big of a gap a 900,000 times difference in perception is to movement.

imagine if Sasuke was perceiving Lee like this video



you'd also have to argue Sasuke has the comprehension speed of a newborn turtle which we know just isnt the case

His perception increases because of Sharingan, Sasuke's base without sharingan still has perception comparable to his own speed. Before he activates sharingan he couldn't even see Lee's movements but after activating he could see them just not react.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Not to mention, Base Guy ~ Kakashi ~< Itachi

who an older Sasuke intended Kirin for, a potentially Light Speed Jutsu.

A jutsu that was so "unavoidable" in his eyes, that he fully believed it could beat a better Sharingan user than his younger self.

I wouldn't really say Kakashi<~Itachi but I get your point

Mmm. I think we should defer the Haku talk a bit which would be more suitable for the upcoming Part 1 speed revisions.

I thought the P1 speed revisions were already done

 

[LordTracer]

Mmm. I think we should defer the Haku talk a bit which would be more suitable for the upcoming Part 1 speed revisions.

I think you mean Part II, the Part I speed revisions already happened

 

[Damage3245]

I think you mean Part II, the Part I speed revisions already happened

Hmm, I thought there were more plans on the works. Okay.

 

[Nierre]

The Speed of Biju Bombs

Consequently to the previous threads, the speed of the Juubi's own Biju Bombs - being significantly more powerful than Gyuki's Biju Bombs - would also be faster than light, and yet there are scenes that would strongly indicate against that assumption.

In Chapter 613, the Juubi undergoes its evolution into its second form and begins spammning long-range Biju Bombs to rain down in distant locations. The last of these is aimed for the Allied Shinobi Forces' Headquarters located in the vicinity of Kumogakure. We then get an extensive sequence where the sensory shinobi realize the target of the Biju Bomb, relay it to the others, they discuss the situation and then Shikaku has the telepathic ninja relay his plan to beat the Juubi to everyone on the battlefield before the Biju Bomb lands. We can then see the explosion in the distance and Madara remarking "Finally got them."

For reference, the area where the Juubi is - where the alliance is fighting it - is indicated by the red arrow. The Allied Shinobi Forces' Headquarters is highlighted by a purple arrow.

Our currently accepted value approximating that distance is around 700 kilometers, and even with other methods it is at-most around a couple thousand kilometers.

Remember that lightspeed means a projectile could circle the Earth approximately 7.5 times in one second.

But here we have multiple characters conversing each other, being shown in contemplation, coming up with ideas... and then to end it off, Madara remarks that they 'finally' got them after waiting for the Biju Bomb to land. This is not the kind of remark one would make if he was just waiting for a hundredth of a second. There is significant travel time for that amount of distance.

While it's a common convention that "Talking is a Free Action" and characters can execute high-speed maneuvers while still speaking normally, this goes well beyond just a line or two. These are full-blown conversations that don't make any sense if an FTL projectile is crossing so short a distance.

The much stronger Juubi's Biju Bomb being this slow should call into question Gyuki's Biju Bomb being assumed to be so fast.

Disagree with this argument. I and everyone here have already talked extensively on this point, but using conversation as an argument is in pretty poor taste. I share the same opinions as Clover and Saqphire:

Furthermore, using dialogue to cap a certain speed has never and will never be consistent with an established speed narrative, that's why talking has been universally decided as a free action in literally every verse that's beyond Mach 1, otherwise if we use talking as a counterpoint, Naruto wouldn't even reach Transonic as he'd be too fast to communicate what he'd be saying with sound/his tongue otherwise, which is everything but narratively consistent.

I just want to say that there's no way that characters talking to each other should be an anti-feat for anything. This is the Flash talking to Superman all over again

Beyond that I got nothing to comment

What the statement in the databook is saying is that Mifune (who uses Iaido, a high-speed form of swordsmanship that is about drawing one's blade quickly and slashing), is slashing his sword at lightspeed and and releasing a flying slash at his enemy.

Even if we took the statement literally and assumed there was no databook hyperbole going on here, we could say that Mifune's sword stroke was executed at the speed of light, but the projectile sword-slash that is released by him is not necessarily travelling the quickly. The databook makes no actual mention of Mifune's flying slash being what is lightspeed.

Although Mifune's technique Issen, can be translated as Flash, or Beam of Light, this again doesn't mean the projectile has to be lightspeed. It's not a literal beam of light he's releasing, but a projectile of chakra released from his sword-swing. Same as all the other regular samurai who coat their blades in chakra and release slashes of chakra that Sasuke is able to react extremely casually to.

TBH I disagree with the beam not being the same speed of the slash of the sword. I haven't seen reason to assume that it'd be any slower, and the story nor does the databook say otherwise. We've never assumed Itachi's combat speed is faster than his shurikens, nor do we assume Sasuke's fireballs are faster than himself, unless specifically stated otherwise or feats say otherwise, we assume they are the same speed so I don't really get what the argument is here.

Not to mention that describing someone's attack as a "speed of light sword stroke" can easily be a figurative description rather than an absolutely literal measurement of their speed. It conveys the meaning that Mifune's attack is fast which is all that matters

Disagree with it being figurative. It's as literal as it can get in my eyes.

Assuming we disregard all that though and still insist that it is Mifune's flying slash that is lightspeed, the original argument depends on the assumption that all of the attacks were launched at the exact same time. There is no chance that the shinobi and Gyuki were able to coordinate their moves that precisely; even a microsecond of time between the different jutsu starting to move would be relevant when we're talking about matters of lightspeed. It seems far more likely to me that Kishimoto just wanted a scene of several characters through ranged attacks together and didn't put any serious thought into it of them all having to be exactly the same speed, and that the minimum speed they'd need to travel is lightspeed.

I think that's a fair argument to make, whether or not they actually attacked in tandem. I'm neutral leaning on agreeing on this but as I said above, I still disagree with assuming the actual chakra beam isn't the same speed of his initial strike.

Outlier Argument

I believe that even if we grant the Mifune section above, the scaling for Gyuki / Killer B still falls under the guidelines for an Outlier.


Yes. I think it's a significantly large jump; Killer B in his Biju mode was only reaching Sub-Relativistic before this new scaling. The next highest calc from comparable characters is the current Mach 7981 Kakashi calc, which is multiplied by 5 for some characters through Might Guy's Eight Gates scaling.


Yes. This is an exceptional incident; Killer B's Biju Bombs are never depicted this fast in any other scenes.


Yes. There is no explanation or justification so far as I'm aware for why Killer B's Biju Bombs would be this fast.


Yes. As explained by the above points, virtually nobody else possesses feats or statements on this level that are currently accepted. In fact characters don't properly exhibit FTL combat speed until Six Paths Sage Naruto who is just a bit above baseline FTL.


Yes. As shown by the section on the Ten-Tails Biju Bomb up above, I believe that the scaling implications from accepting Killer B's Biju Bombs to be this fast would break the narrative of the work.

Neutral as well. Mostly because of @MinatoSparkle's arguments. I'm not too certain how outlier-y Bijuu Bombs being FTL are, considering I do know there's a statement in a databook for Minato being Lightspeed, but I don't actually know the counter arguments to this (Minato is not my forte), so I'll wait to see your counter argument to Sparkle's recent comment before voting on this.

Mabui's Ethereal Transmission Jutsu and the Raikage

One thing to remember is that in the general shinobi world, not counting freaks of the past like Madara and the Hashirama, the Raikage is the fastest ninja alive. Even in his base form he's regarded as super-fast, and in Lightning Chakra Mode Version 1 and Version 2, he becomes even faster. When using the Shunshin (Body Flicker Technique) in this state, he can even accomplish the nigh-impossible feat of evading Sasuke's Mangekyo Sharingan visual prowess and escaping being ignited with the Amaterasu technique which ignites at whatever Sasuke is looking at.

This is important because when it comes to Mabui's Ethereal Transmission jutsu - which can transport objects across vast distances at the speed of light - the main drawback for trying to use it on living human beings is that their bodies cannot cope with the the immense speed and they become torn apart. Only freaks like the 3rd Raikage who have unique extra-tough physiques can endure it, and Tsunade who has the ability to heal herself after travelling. This weakness is reiterated in the databook which mentions the movement being too fast unless the target has a sturdy body.

Why is this important? Because if shinobi regularly fought and moved at faster-than-light speeds, then the speed of Mabui's technique would be trivial to them. Even for the 4th Raikage, the fastest shinobi alive, Mabui states that it may be possible for the 4th Raikage to successfully travel by this technique but only because he's the 3rd Raikage's son. As his secretary, Mabui would know the 4th Raikage's abilities better than most and even she only conjectures that it may be possible for him, rather than acknowledging that he regularly moves beyond lightspeed anyway.

I disagree with this in theory due to @Shadowbokunohero and @DavidTPPM's reasons but seeing how everyone agrees that anyone less durable than Ay don't scale anyway, I can concede on this point since it's not really relevant here.



TL;DR: I disagree with everything but Gyuki's Bijuu Bomb scaling to Mifune's Issen, which I'm currently neutral leaning towards agreeing to. Didn't bother with the "Old Arguments" sections since it was deemed unnecessary. Mabui's Jutsu section should be in that category too because Ghost's thread doesn't even conflict with the Jutsu anyway as his thread tackles characters above Ay which everyone here seems to agree on, but whatever.

 

[Damage3245]

Disagree with this argument. I and everyone here have already talked extensively on this point, but using conversation as an argument is in pretty poor taste. I share the same opinions as Clover and Saqphire:

It's not just conversation. There are multiple things happening that show passage of time. Not to mention Madara indicating that he was waiting more than a fraction of a second for the Biju Bomb to land.

And if talking was always a free action where no time took place, then why was Kakashi interrupted during his conversation with Shikaku and had to stop talking to him on this page? He should have all the time in the world to keep leisurely chatting with Shikaku.

Neutral as well. Mostly because of @MinatoSparkle's arguments. I'm not too certain how outlier-y Bijuu Bombs being FTL are, considering I do know there's a statement in a databook for Minato being Lightspeed, but I don't actually know the counter arguments to this (Minato is not my forte), so I'll wait to see your counter argument to Sparkle's recent comment before voting on this.

The databook statement MinatoSparkle found for Minato just sounds like hype text relating to his title of "Yellow Flash". We also know that part of the reason why Minato is considered so insanely fast is his ability to teleport instantly. I don't buy the statement for Itachi either which Sparkle admits isn't literal.

The statement also describes Minato as being "absolutely unavoidable" and we know that isn't true.

I disagree with this in theory due to @Shadowbokunohero and @DavidTPPM's reasons but seeing how everyone agrees that anyone less durable than Ay don't scale anyway, I can concede on this point since it's not really relevant here.

Okay, fair enough.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The databook statement MinatoSparkle found for Minato just sounds like hype text relating to his title of "Yellow Flash". We also know that part of the reason why Minato is considered so insanely fast is his ability to teleport instantly.

This really isn't a refutation at all. A majority of light speed attacks are meant to be hyping the character up as that's a very high level of speed. Also light speed =/= instant, so no the statement isn't referring to FTG.

I don't buy the statement for Itachi either which Sparkle admits isn't literal.

No? I was talking about the Water Gun statement. The Itachi statement uses the kanji for literal light speed.

The statement also describes Minato as being "absolutely unavoidable" and we know that isn't true.

Come on. Are we gonna disregard all statements that have some sort of hyperbole/flowery language in them and ignore the actual meat of what they're saying? There are countless NLFish statements that are attached to objective descriptions of techniques, that shouldn't be used as an indicator of whether this is valid or not.

 

[Damage3245]

No? I was talking about the Water Gun statement. The Itachi statement uses the kanji for literal light speed.

Oh, sorry, I mixed that up with the Water Gun statement, my bad.

Come on. Are we gonna disregard all statements that have some sort of hyperbole/flowery language in them and ignore the actual meat of what they're saying? There are countless NLFish statements that are attached to objective descriptions of techniques, that shouldn't be used as an indicator of whether this is valid or not.

If it suggests that Minato being lightspeed is hyperbolic, then yeah, I have doubts.

This really isn't a refutation at all. A majority of light speed attacks are meant to be hyping the character up as that's a very high level of speed. Also light speed =/= instant, so no the statement isn't referring to FTG.

Okay.

 

[Nierre]

It's not just conversation. There are multiple things happening that show passage of time. Not to mention Madara indicating that he was waiting more than a fraction of a second for the Biju Bomb to land.

I forgot to respond to this in the OP but to me it didn't seem like he was saying "Finally" because it was traveling some time to reach Shikaku and the rest, it seemed like he was just saying "Finally" because the Juubi was hard for him to control so he wasn't able to direct where he wanted it to attack. Madara and Obito said they wanted to show them despair, which they almost do when they kill Shikaku and the rest, though thanks to the wills of Shikamaru and the Hyuga's efforts they Alliance is able to keep fighting. Hell, Madara says that he wanted to get rid of them before they started their speeches but because the Juubi is hard to control he wasn't able to. So in my eyes, it's not because it took a while due to it's speed, but because of how hard it was for him and Obito to control it.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Oh, sorry, I mixed that up with the Water Gun statement, my bad.

If it suggests that Minato being lightspeed is hyperbolic, then yeah, I have doubts.

You seem to be viewing the statement with the lens that it's hyperbolic rather than looking at the statement's isolated merit.

 

[Damage3245]

I forgot to respond to this in the OP but to me it didn't seem like he was saying "Finally" because it was traveling some time to reach Shikaku and the rest, it seemed like he was just saying "Finally" because the Juubi was hard for him to control so he wasn't able to direct where he wanted it to attack. Madara and Obito said they wanted to show them despair, which they almost do when they kill Shikaku and the rest, though thanks to the wills of Shikamaru and the Hyuga's efforts they Alliance is able to keep fighting. Hell, Madara says that he wanted to get rid of them before they started their speeches but because the Juubi is hard to control he wasn't able to. So in my eyes, it's not because it took a while due to it's speed, but because of how hard it was for him and Obito to control it.

Okay, I can't fault you for this because it is just a matter of interpretation but for me personally the whole scene with Shikaku and the others realizing they're the target of the attack is meant to indicate that there is some more-than-an-instant amount of time before the attack reaches them. Since this is just a matter of personal stance then I won't argue about it with you.

 

[Testarossa002]

Our currently accepted value approximating that distance is around 700 kilometers, and even with other methods it is at-most around a couple thousand kilometers.

Remember that lightspeed means a projectile could circle the Earth approximately 7.5 times in one second.

But here we have multiple characters conversing each other, being shown in contemplation, coming up with ideas... and then to end it off, Madara remarks that they 'finally' got them after waiting for the Biju Bomb to land. This is not the kind of remark one would make if he was just waiting for a hundredth of a second. There is significant travel time for that amount of distance.

This also works as an anti-feat for lightning speed as it'll take lightning less than 2 seconds to cover 700km
So, it's not only an anti-feat for light speed, it's also one for lightning speed
Ergo, Juubi bomb is sub lightning speed

 

[Damage3245]

You seem to be viewing the statement with the lens that it's hyperbolic rather than looking at the statement's isolated merit.

That's just how it reads to me; you're proposing that Minato be lightspeed which is described as being "absolutely unavoidable" but as a consequence Minato and several other characters will be FTL which contradicts a lightspeed Minato being unavoidable. I believe the statement is likely referring to Minato's usage of the Flying Thunder God technique and the lightspeed isn't literal but just him being really, really fast that technique. The statement does say "a technique that shines brilliantly on the battlefield".

This also works as an anti-feat for lightning speed as it'll take lightning less than 2 seconds to cover 700km
So, it's not only an anti-feat for light speed, it's also one for lightning speed
Ergo, Juubi bomb is sub lightning speed

Yeah; I don't have a problem with that.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I think that's a fair argument to make, whether or not they actually attacked in tandem. I'm neutral leaning on agreeing on this but as I said above, I still disagree with assuming the actual chakra beam isn't the same speed of his initial strike.

We still have Kn0 temari being faster than the issen while starting after mifune from the last thread (so people would still get scaling)

and given how the trio were stated to launch attacks simultaneously, I would believe this holds the same narrative portrayal of a unison attack, the differences are negligible (thats the point of a unison attack)

 

[Testarossa002]

Yeah; I don't have a problem with that.

Great
It should be added in the OP then
We can't have characters being MHS+ on the profiles while FTL is rejected even though they share the same anti-feat

 

[Damage3245]

Great
It should be added in the OP then
We can't have characters being MHS+ on the profiles while FTL is rejected even though they share the same anti-feat

Gotta work through the verse step-by-step. One thread at a time.

 

[Nierre]

Yeah; I don't have a problem with that.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

That's just how it reads to me; you're proposing that Minato be lightspeed which is described as being "absolutely unavoidable" but as a consequence Minato and several other characters will be FTL which contradicts a lightspeed Minato being unavoidable.

1. Databooks cover information during a certain timeframe of the manga (example being that Obito is stated to be Madara multiple times in the 3rd databook), so given that at the time, there were no known LS/FTL individuals in the 3rd war, I don't think this is the contradiction you think it is

2. You're just repeating a point that I already responded to. A flowery description doesn't overturn the part of a statement that's written literally. If the intention was for the statement to not be taken seriously, Kishimoto could've easily written a simile like he has for so many others.

I believe the statement is likely referring to Minato's usage of the Flying Thunder God technique and the lightspeed isn't literal but just him being really, really fast that technique. The statement does say "a technique that shines brilliantly on the battlefield".

This could just be referring to his common tactic of attacking in tandem with his FTG (which he's implied to have done dozens of times in a row in battle). The statement does call the "blade" unavoidable after all, and FTG itself is not a blade nor something that needs to be avoided; just the attack following it.

 

[Testarossa002]

You still haven't addressed ETJ (already LS. Except you think it's not) taking an almost similar time (both manga and anime agree) to travel to travel battlefield as the Juubi bomb to the Alliance HQ. Even though the latter was over a longer distance
Same ETJ that travelled nigh-instantly to Darui's location
Almost as if the author can take liberties when it comes to talking during action scenes

 

[Damage3245]

You still haven't addressed ETJ (already LS. Except you think it's not) taking an almost similar time (both manga and anime agree) to travel to travel battlefield as the Juubi bomb to the Alliance HQ. Even though the latter was over a longer distance
Same ETJ that travelled nigh-instantly to Darui's location
Almost as if the author can take liberties when it comes to talking during action scenes

I just don't think the scenes were perfectly sequential; it's what makes the most sense to me when reading the chapter. There was clearly some jumping around going on where Shikaku had a conversation with Genma, informing him to get set up with the Mizukage, then Tsunade and Ay were setup to go be transported. Meanwhile Genma and company had to be prepared for the moment Tsunade arrived on the battlefield.

I'm not saying the entire manga is without flaws when it comes to writing/pacing or that everyone is always speaking words in perfectly realistic real time. I'm saying there's more going on in the scene than just a lot of words being spoken that gives the distinct impression that time is passing.

If you disagree with me on that, then fine, we read the manga in different ways but we'd just be going in circles discussing it.