ProfessorKukui4Life said:
>Even if we claimed that Lucario defeated a likely 2-B Darkrai, it still wouldn't be likely 2-B for defeating an unconscious, weakened, Darkrai while Lucario was being amped + a supereffective Aura Sphere.
Just going to say, your making this out to be far more than it actually is. For one, "a supereffective Aura Sphere" doesnt matter much since type advantage becomes completely irrelevant to legendaries in general unless their opponents are on or above the same level of capability as they are. Two, Darkrai was not weakened, he was only unconscious. And three, Lucario was amped but the power of the feat was still mostly Lucario contributting to it.
So yes this would be a Likely 2-B for even making Darkrai flinch, let alone knocking it over.
And if Pokemon weren't capable of using any of their natural capabilities right after being born, I would be more inclined to agree with you. The fact that they can, and that Riolu being able to use Aura is a thing before it evolves into Lucario, would disagree much with this argument of yours.
Again, not denying they can't. I'm stating they must be refined through actual training. Let's put it this way, okay? Riolu learns Force Palm at Level 15. Lucario learns Aura Sphere at Level 42, Heal Pulse at Level 51 and Dragon Pulse at Level 60. The Riolu/Lucario family clearly learns more advanced applications of Aura as they grow stronger via training. This would also apply to their passive abilities with aura, considering they have to learn how to shift Aura into different typings and effects over time.
So no, its not reasonable. Especially for the latter where no such kind of training is even remotely hinted to have happened.
I've already stated, constantly, that I'm not denying they have access to natural abilities. I am denying that they can use the full potential of their abilities without training. Hell, Lucario learns moves like Water Pulse, Dark Pulse and such by Tutors or TMs. Albeit, this Lucario DOES Know Water Pulse so it's clear it has underwent some form of Aura-based training. The extent of this training is unknown however.
It being possible and it being factual are 2 different things. There is no evidence that Riley put his Lucario through Aura training in the slightest just because he himself can use the same power. Not one mention or hint of this event happening in Adventures. The fact that he didnt even say anything such as "I trained Lucario" but instead flat out said "Lucario has the power to catch Aura" works in my favor instead of yours.
I never claimed it was factual. I have consistently claimed it as possible. The inherent fact that Riley is the trainer of Lucario already raises the possibility of Riley augmenting Lucario's training with his own experiences and understanding of Aura. That statement also doesn't work in your 'favor' considering that was merely an objective statement that Lucarios have the power to use Aura, not that they do not require training to wield it.
Aaron's Lucario had to undergo training to perform Aaron's log training, so I don't understand why you feel so compelled to imply that training isn't required. It's like you are denying the existence of trainers entirely.
Just going to say, your making this out to be far more than it actually is. For one, "a supereffective Aura Sphere" doesnt matter much since type advantage becomes completely irrelevant to legendaries in general unless their opponents are on or above the same level of capability as they are. Two, Darkrai was not weakened, he was only unconscious. And three, Lucario was amped but the power of the feat was still mostly Lucario contributting to it.
Actually, Aura Sphere would deal 2x damage to Darkrai. The Darkrai was unconscious (which WOULD make him weakened via actual rationale and not mere game mechanics) AND Lucario was amped. It's actually quite in my favor to claim that this Lucario being 2-C, or even 2-B, is completely baseless. It would actually be Low 2-C, Likely 2-C as I am quite certain that the 2-C key only makes Darkrai baseline. I am uncertain how PMD Darkrai scales from Palkia/Dialga, considering much of that was mere hax. How far does Dialga scale into 2-B?
And if your not going to make a CRT about this, then drop it. Needlessly complaining about the ratings and not doing a thing about it in a thread where it would actually matter is not going to change anything and is ultimately pointless.
No, I'm not going to drop it. I am debunking Cal's baseless claim that this is a 'super Lucario' that would have special training. I don't care about your ridiculous argumentation for a 2-B Lucario, based on a completely different canon against a Darkrai with absolutely zero 2-C or 2-B feats, who at most scales to planetary. You can live in your own world of wank all that you please. But I won't accept Cal using it to try and claim that this Lucario is even remotely impressive in regards to its training, skill or otherwise regarding Aura when there is nothing to indicate it has such talent.
